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I thought all those things were there. BTW Johnny Weir has said she still has some of the best jumps in the US. The goal here was to make Nationals. Not put all her difficulty out there.
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Exactly my thoughts about the GP series for Alysa. She barely cracks top 5 at the events with cleanish skates. That cannot be a good sign for her team based on all the hard work she has been doing to improve. She is not even competitive with the Japanese skaters let alone the Russians.
Agree most of US not impressing, but Kaori has a 215 and 223, Mai a 214, young You a 219, Leona H. a 219. Those scores beat all US Skaters on the grand prix this year including Alysa. Very unlikely any US skater anywhere near a podium.
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How old was Carolina Kostner when she retired?
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I expect her to do what she wants.
Either you have powerful jumping legs, or you do not. Gracie and Karen, for example, have powerful jumping legs, but slow rotation, that can be fixed by a coach, off ice training etc. Alysa has lightening speed rotation, but lacks leg power, I don't really think any coach can fix a lack of leg strength. Her jumps are very small, and they will stay small. Alysa has done the most with the skill set she was born with, and her present team should be congratulated for bringing her this far.
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I dont know if that would make any sense. Colorado is packed with skaters, some of whom are known for spending more time socializing than training. Its the opposite of a quiet, no nonsense Frank Carroll rink - often overcrowded.
I was skeptical that this rumor was even true till I saw Alysa posted on instagram that they got bangs. Nothing says emotional upheaval/big life change like bangs
Watch Higuchi's free skate from yesterday in France and consider that she might not even make the Japanese Oly team, and you will realize how much Alysa needs to improve.
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In case anyone has not figured out the final list ... the nine Senior Women who have qualified for Nats via Championship Series, if I am not mistaken:
For Wang, Warne-Jacobsen, and Heiner, it will be their first time as Senior Women at Nats.
Top two from Eastern section
Top two from Pacific
Top two from Midwestern
Next best three from nation
Gabbie Izzo, Gracie Gold, Sierra Venetta, Kate Wang, Finley Hawk, Wren Warne-Jacobsen, Jill Heiner, Hanna Harrell, Rena Ikenishi
For Wang, Warne-Jacobsen, and Heiner, it will be their first time as Senior Women at Nats.
Top two from Eastern section
Top two from Pacific
179.39 VENETTA (Spokane); also competed in Allen
170.82 WANG (Spokane)
170.82 WANG (Spokane)
Top two from Midwestern
164.29 HAWK (Blaine); also competed in Fort Wayne
162.05 WARNE-JACOBSEN (Blaine); also competed in Fort Wayne
162.05 WARNE-JACOBSEN (Blaine); also competed in Fort Wayne
Next best three from nation
Gracie never had slow rotations when she was in her prime she was quick in the air unlike Karen and very rarely underrotated.
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Like it or not, Alysa is the #1 US lady this season. It’s unfortunate she can’t crack the top, but what American lady can? I’m sure it’s difficult for Alysa because before puberty she was hitting those quads and triple axels. Just like the Russian ladies that were having stellar careers before the age of 15. To her credit, she hasn’t retired yet. She hasn’t been replaced because the US doesn’t have the same interest in skating with girls lined up to be stars for the next two years
Well if you look at protocols from non-US events pre-puberty she had issues with under-rotations on the quads and triple axel, its how Usacheva could beat her at Jr Worlds and Valieva at JGPF with none of those elements.
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To qualify through the Championship Series this year: Top 2 per region (3 regions) + the next three highest scores from all regions. So 9 skaters overall.
I don’t know if an official announcement has been made yet, but Gracie is the #2 qualifier in the East, and she had the third highest score overall.
Sierra Veneta, who scored 179 last night in Spokane, is the top qualifier in Pacific, but her score didn’t impact Gracie.
Hanna Harrell was the only Eastern competitor in Spokane, ie the only one who could have bumped Gracie. She only scored 155 there, but I think she still qualifies as one of the three “wild cards” based on her score of 171 in the Henderson NV round.
JGP Lake Placid SP: no 3a attempt
Lp: clean 3a/2t, clean 4 lz, downgraded 3a
JGP Baltic SP: clean 3a/3t
Lp: clean 3a/2t, clean 4lz, clean 3a.
She probably started growth spurt after Baltic. However, she had a pretty darn good record up until GPF.
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Yes, I'm very much aware of Alysa's UR issues. I was specifically commenting on her PCS scores which DID go up after she went to Scali and Abbott. Her jumps obviously still have to be addressed and are a work in progress.
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I see many people saying karen should go because "she's the reason we have 2 spots", and while this is partly true, I personally don't think this is a good enough reason. Helping earn 3 spots doesn't give u a spot; it only increases your likelihood of earning a spot, because well, now there are 3 spots instead of 2.
Karen is lovely, and I'm so glad she's now doing the 3lutz-eu-3sal, but do we want to have an embarrassing outing again at the Olympics with our women's team? Falls and pops and the general US audience who only watch this sport every 4 years questioning why they're not so good?
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Yesterday, I was certainly shocked by the Alysa Liu rumors, but today; I'm not so surprised and I do believe them to be true. It is not a coincidence that she just posted her new bangs on Instagram and her close friend Audrey Lu commented "bangs based on impulse" and she responded "YUPP". Also, I feel that whatever decision made was not made by Arthur Liu alone. On Tiktok, Alysa also just posted a tiktok with Arthur (along with others in the past) where they seem to have a very good relationship. If Arthur was the sole, overbearing head of the operation we all seem to think he is, I don't think Alysa would've filmed and posted a Tiktok with him the same day the news broke, especially considering how well Alysa got along with Jeremy and Massimo.
As others have mentioned, Jeremy is doing the Holiday Stars on Ice tour this December and Alysa needs someone working on her jumping technique every single day. Arthur, Alysa, and USFS all understand this. Alysa was also probably quick to agree seeing how close she became to Young You, who trains in Colorado Springs. Yes, I do not believe that Colorado Springs has the best coaches or resources for Alysa to succeed, but they have their backs up against a wall and Alysa needs a place to train until the Olympics. And yes, Jeremy and Massimo have helped her so much, but I think Jeremy has done all he can and after all, this coaching arrangement was always meant to be temporary. I think having You push her in the rink every single day will do wonders for her. Also, seeing how much she improved last year in the months between October-January makes me believe that this was probably the best decision.
Unfortunately, I don't really see who else in the US could help Alysa other than Raf, who probably turned her down already in the past and who would completely break apart and rework every aspect of Alysa's jumping technique, something she certainly does not need at this time. In the end, Alysa is talented. I do have my doubts about whether she will have noticeably improved by nationals, but I don't believe that she will regress in any way.
As others have mentioned, Jeremy is doing the Holiday Stars on Ice tour this December and Alysa needs someone working on her jumping technique every single day. Arthur, Alysa, and USFS all understand this. Alysa was also probably quick to agree seeing how close she became to Young You, who trains in Colorado Springs. Yes, I do not believe that Colorado Springs has the best coaches or resources for Alysa to succeed, but they have their backs up against a wall and Alysa needs a place to train until the Olympics. And yes, Jeremy and Massimo have helped her so much, but I think Jeremy has done all he can and after all, this coaching arrangement was always meant to be temporary. I think having You push her in the rink every single day will do wonders for her. Also, seeing how much she improved last year in the months between October-January makes me believe that this was probably the best decision.
Unfortunately, I don't really see who else in the US could help Alysa other than Raf, who probably turned her down already in the past and who would completely break apart and rework every aspect of Alysa's jumping technique, something she certainly does not need at this time. In the end, Alysa is talented. I do have my doubts about whether she will have noticeably improved by nationals, but I don't believe that she will regress in any way.
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