2021-2022 US Women's Figure Skating

[bubblecherry]

I think she must’ve gotten reinjured. It would be better to compete one comp with only triple toes and sals than to not compete at all.

 

[Lutzedge]

I went from hoping to see Bradie at some point to now praying that it's not career ending. Poor thing. Physical injury aside, the mental toll of her slow recovery must be doing a number on her too.

I didn't expect it to go this far. I thought it was more of a recovery, and I thought we would see her soon.

 

[Lutzedge]

I think she must’ve gotten reinjured. It would be better to compete one comp with only triple toes and sals than to not compete at all.

That is a good point. She might have been recovering, and than reinjured herself.

 

[mrrice]

That is a good point. She might have been recovering, and than reinjured herself.

This is what I suspect as well. The silence from her team isn't helping the situation either. A foot injury is an absolutely terrible thing to get over. Once you put your skates back on, the risk of re-injury is very high.

 

[Lutzedge]

Does this mean Bradie can't do Nationals?

 

[Amei]

Does this mean Bradie can't do Nationals?

Depends what you mean 'can't do Nationals' - as the reigning National champ she is automatically given a berth to Nationals the following year, can she physically compete aka skate do 2 programs to defend her title is a whole other question. The fact that she's withdrawn from competitions going into December makes me think the likelihood of Nationals is getting slimmer and slimmer.

 

[Lutzedge]

Depends what you mean 'can't do Nationals' - as the reigning National champ she is automatically given a berth to Nationals the following year, can she physically compete aka skate do 2 programs to defend her title is a whole other question. The fact that she's withdrawn from competitions going into December makes me think the likelihood of Nationals is getting slimmer and slimmer.

Sorry. I didn't realize that she gets an automatic berth for Nats. That does make sense though. I hope she will be able to go.

 

[Amei]

Sorry. I didn't realize that she gets an automatic berth for Nats. That does make sense though. I hope she will be able to.

No problem, the rules can be confusing.

 

[mrrice]

Does this mean Bradie can't do Nationals?

I believe she has a bye straight into Nationals as the defending Champion.

 

[Ic3Rabbit]

Re: The foot injury. It really depends on the skater and where the injury is in the foot.

For the most part, the skating boot protects the foot/ankles and even with injuries to these parts, one can still skate/compete. It just really depends on the person and their doctor/fed permissions to do so.

Evan Lysacek won his 2009 World Championship with a fractured foot.

Ryan Bradley has competed with a broken metatarsal in his foot, and a torn meniscus (not same time LOL).

Medvedeva won both her grand prix one season with a fractured foot.

It just really depends on alot of things.

I wish the best for Bradie and hope to see her back in competition soon.

 

[readernick]

I'm so sad for Bradie. She's a favorite a mine. Hard work usually trumps natural talent and Bradie has always proved that to be the case. Her improvement over the last quad was truly spectacular. In this case, her hardworking attitude may have contributed to the injury. I hope her foot heals before nationals. On a positive note, at least she has been to the Olympics before and already has a team medal which is realistically the best result any US woman can hope for this year.

With Bradie's injury and Alysa's sudden coaching change, there is no reliable woman the US can depend on this year imho. I would send Lindsay to another international event with less biased judging to try and improve her SBs and establish her reputation. She could possibly be the best bet in the team event if Alysa's coaching change doesn't go well. Christy Krall teaches great jump technique but I hope she doesn't try to change Alysa's technique too much before the Olympics.

 

[Lutzedge]

I'm so sad for Bradie. She's a favorite a mine. Hard work usually trumps natural talent and Bradie has always proved that to be the case. Her improvement over the last quad was truly spectacular. In this case, her hardworking attitude may have contributed to the injury. I hope her foot heals before nationals. On a positive note, at least she has been to the Olympics before and already has a team medal which is realistically the best result any US woman can hope for this year.

With Bradie's injury and Alysa's sudden coaching change, there is no reliable woman the US can depend on this year imho. I would send Lindsay to another international event with less biased judging to try and improve her SBs and establish her reputation. She could possibly be the best bet in the team event if Alysa's coaching change doesn't go well. Christy Krall teaches great jump technique but I hope she doesn't try to change Alysa's technique too much before the Olympics.

That is good. I wonder who is the jumping coach for those coached by Tammy Gambil.

 

[Sjs5572]

I'm so sad for Bradie. She's a favorite a mine. Hard work usually trumps natural talent and Bradie has always proved that to be the case. Her improvement over the last quad was truly spectacular. In this case, her hardworking attitude may have contributed to the injury. I hope her foot heals before nationals. On a positive note, at least she has been to the Olympics before and already has a team medal which is realistically the best result any US woman can hope for this year.

With Bradie's injury and Alysa's sudden coaching change, there is no reliable woman the US can depend on this year imho. I would send Lindsay to another international event with less biased judging to try and improve her SBs and establish her reputation. She could possibly be the best bet in the team event if Alysa's coaching change doesn't go well. Christy Krall teaches great jump technique but I hope she doesn't try to change Alysa's technique too much before the Olympics.

I don't think she needs to radically change Alysa's technique. I just rewatched the Lombardia fs, and other than the 3a, her jumps all looked good in terms of rotation. I think that stamina issues came into play with the greater difficulty she attempted at the Grand Prixs. I really think that more intense training alone could go a long way in improving her jumps. Her 3a could further improve by increasing her entrance speed; she is already using her legs a lot more than she did pre-growty spurt.

 

[Amei]

I don't think she needs to radically change Alysa's technique. I just rewatched the Lombardia fs, and other than the 3a, her jumps all looked good in terms of rotation. I think that stamina issues came into play with the greater difficulty she attempted at the Grand Prixs. I really think that more intense training alone could go a long way in improving her jumps. Her 3a could further improve by increasing her entrance speed; she is already using her legs a lot more than she did pre-growty spurt.

Her layout was not that much more difficult between NHK and Lombardia, unless the +SEQ and euler are something difficult for her to do (which if that's the case they are dumb for doing especially since the SEQ is low value)

Lombardia FS protocol
NHK FS Protocol

 

[Sjs5572]

Her layout was not that much more difficult between NHK and Lombardia, unless the +SEQ and euler are something difficult for her to do (which if that's the case they are dumb for doing especially since the SEQ is low value)

Lombardia FS protocol
NHK FS Protocol

More transitions were also added, thereto increasing the difficulty. The Seq was worth more than doing 3lz/2t. I think this was a temp layout To maximize base value until more Ultra-Cs could be added.

 

[moonvine]

Sorry. I didn't realize that she gets an automatic berth for Nats. That does make sense though. I hope she will be able to go.

The top 5 senior ladies, men, pairs and ice dancers at Nationals receive an automatic bye to the next year’s Nationals. There are other ways to get one as well (for example competing in 3 International comps).

 

[Skater Boy]

What are the remaining Challenger events? Just wondering.

I maybe missed something is it just conjecture that USFA is contemplating sending Gracie to a Challenger or Int'l competition to see if she gets the minimums to go to the Olympics and worlds? She doesn't have a lot of results for "body of work over the last while and her fs score was just over 108 which for a domestic even isn't great. Close to the tech score I believe of Valieva at her best not including pcs.

 

[Moxiejan]

I maybe missed something is it just conjecture that USFA is contemplating sending Gracie to a Challenger or Int'l competition to see if she gets the minimums to go to the Olympics and worlds? She doesn't have a lot of results for "body of work over the last while and her fs score was just over 108 which for a domestic even isn't great. Close to the tech score I believe of Valieva at her best not including pcs.

Golden Spin (December 8-11) is the final Challenger & the entry deadline has passed for that.

Really, it’s a major achievement for Gracie to get to Nationals, where she can set herself up for some good assignments next year.

 

[ice coverage]

I maybe missed something is it just conjecture that USFA is contemplating sending Gracie to a Challenger or Int'l competition to see if she gets the minimums to go to the Olympics and worlds? ...

Yes, it is just conjecture and/or wishful thinking by Gold's fans.

There was/is something called Santa Claus Cup in Budapest, I think it use to be in the beginning of December.

There is something called Bratislava Grand Prix in Slovakia which is planned at 17th-19th December. ...

I think Gracie should get a chance to collect minimums. If she isn´t really in the loop for OG (which I honestly are starting to believe is possible because of the current situation now with the US ladies), she at least has a good chance going to the Four Continents Championship, as they probably will be the ones who don´t go to the OG.

Edit: I just checked the ISU calender and Bratislava Grand Prix is apparently cancelled :/ But Santa Claus Cup is still planned and something called Open Belarus Cup at the same time as Bratislava Grand Prix.

Nov 5 was the entry deadline for Santa Claus Cup.

Although listed (with almost zero information) on the ISU site, Open Belarus Cup is not even mentioned on the Belarus federation website's event page or calendar page. I am doubtful that the event is happening.

 

[Jammers]

Everyone always wants their favorite skater to go to Orser but has he ever really developed a skater from scratch? Yuna was already a Junior world champion and Senior world medalist skater as was Hanyu and they both came to him with their great jump technique which he didn't teach them. All he did was give them some polish but they were already World and Olympic champion caliber skaters when he took them on.