But didn't Javi improve a lot with Orser? On all counts?
2021-2022 US Women's Figure Skating
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Oh no doubt about it Orser took Javier to the next level but i'm talking about Brian never developing a young skater from their early years. Javier was already 20 when he went to Orser.
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I dont think the coaching change is likely to hurt Alysa, she's not going to lose the progress she's made or likely start falling all over the place. Its possible that she could make some small improvements, and frankly of she wants to make top 5 or 6 at the Olypics she does need to clean up her jumps. Maybe its too late for this season, but why shouldnt they try?
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I also dont get the impression that Alysa is a meek girl who just obediently does what any adult tells her to. I think its unfair to assume her father is forcing her to do this, rather than that Alysa believes she can do better than she has been too.
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It is conjecture/wishful thinking.
I think people want to be prepared just in case. Bradie may not even compete and Amber has been inconsistent and skaters across the world have been plagued by injuries. I don’t know what is going on with injuries this year but it’s been awful. I don’t think she will make Olympics or Worlds but 4CCs would be nice.
Gracie is still very, very, very popular. (I know y’all don’t believe me but I talk to many Gracie fans when I go to events, Twitter is melting down wanting her to go to the Olympics, she has sponsors, which most skaters who have been placing 12th at Nationals do not, etc.). Skating Club of Boston used her heavily to promote Cranberry Cup and her picture was on the Zamboni, etc.
Her goal at the Challenger was to make Nationals, not do all her difficulty.
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This will be her 3rd consecutive trip to Nationals.
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Whoever it is doesn’t seem to be helping a whole lot.
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I could be very wrong but I don’t think he takes skaters at low levels to develop them from scratch. Word is he didn’t want to take Jason but Tracy talked him into it.
Yes, but the qualifying process was different this year; tougher to do it just with score & not just by being 4th in a sectional that had been weakened due to byes.
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I am not a cheerleader for Gracie, but I am not so sure that qualifying for 2020 Nats via Eastern sectionals was any easier an accomplishment than qualifying for 2022 Nats via Championship Series.
In the 2019-2020 season, the toughest sectionals for Senior Women was Eastern.
Examples:
- Audrey Shin's sixth-place score at Eastern sectionals would have placed second at Pacific sectionals and third at Midwestern.
In other words: Audrey would have qualified for Nats if she had belonged to Pacific or Midwestern. Ditto for Julia Biechler, who placed fifth at Eastern sectionals.
- Gracie's third-place score at Eastern would have placed first at Midwestern and second at Pacific.Three women from Eastern section earned byes both to 2022 Nats and (IIRC) 2020 Nats.
I do not see how Eastern sectionals to qualify for 2020 Nats was "weakened due to byes" any more than Championship Series was.
Eastern women with byes to 2022 Nats: Shin, Levito, Thorngren.
IIRC, Eastern women with byes to 2020 Nats: Ting Cui, Gabbie Izzo, Megan Wessenberg (but see below re Megan).
Because of injury, Ting ended up missing 2020 Nats and almost the entire season leading up to it.
Megan did not make it to 2020 Nats because she never met the tech minimum via NQS or via her three international events.
Megan did not make it to 2020 Nats because she never met the tech minimum via NQS or via her three international events.
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Yeah, that is why I really wish for her to get the minimums, because 4CCs could really be an option this year because it´s so close to OG, and it´s very unlikely the OG-team will go to 4CCs this year. If Bradie is out, it´s not unlikely that Gracie would be among top 4-6 which probably would be the ones who goes to 4CC.
For example
Team OG: Alysa, Karen and Mariah.
Team 4CCs: Amber, Lindsay, Gracie. Alternatives Starr, Shin, but if Gracie is skating clean she can be above them. And also unfortunately
injuries can happen, so even if she is behind them it´s still possible.
It seems if Gracie would have won the first U.S Challenger (and have the same result), she would have gotten a spot at Golden Spin perhaps - I see Hanna Harrell is going there. She placed last in Nationals last season - behind Gracie, but she won in Nevada in October (with a lower score than Gracie). So it just seems to be a bad timing for Gracie winning after the deadlines.
Also, wondering about one thing - the substitutes for OG, will they be going along to Beijing as back up? I know the Biathlon team use to have one or two athletes who goes with the team to OG as substitutes, in case someone gets sick and they can be replaced right before the races start. I´m not sure this is normal for figure skating though? Can they only be replaced if they know in a certain time before they travel to the city? I guess it´s about money also.
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Gabbie Izzo and Sierra Venetta also belong in your discussion, if Gracie does.
I have no idea what any of their placements at Nats will be -- just sayin' that it makes no sense to me to overlook Izzo and Venetta as possibilities for Four Continents.
(Per USFS, 2022 Olympians will not be assigned to Four Continents. There is no uncertainty on that point.)
I would think Mariah, Amber and Lindsay would be more likely for 4CC than Izzo, Gold and Venetta.
This season, Izzo has been very inconsistent. She will have a good competition, then bomb the next one. But then, Izzo at her best is better than Venetta at her best.
Neither of them is likely to get the 4CC nod. Whoever of Amber, Mariah, Lindsay or Karen doesn't make the Olympic team will get first dibs.
Neither of them is likely to get the 4CC nod. Whoever of Amber, Mariah, Lindsay or Karen doesn't make the Olympic team will get first dibs.
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One of them will probably go to OG if Bradie is not healed for Nationals, which is pretty much what it looks like now. So only 2 of them will most likely go to 4CC. I also mentioned Amber and Lindsay most likely to go to 4CC, if no one of them makes it to OG. It is pretty much the third and last spot for 4CC who is between skaters like Gold, Izzo and Venetta, and of course Starr and Shin. So nobody here is talking about that the 3 spots will go to Izzo, Gold and Venetta.
Most likely Gold will not be an option, because she doesn´t have the required minimum.
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Brian does take on junior skaters, although most of them appear to be Canadian. He was the first (elite) coach for Stephen Gogolev. Looking at Stephen now (and yes, the poor kid grew nine inches) maybe he should have stayed? But that is
He didn't want to take Jason because at the time he was "full up". Tracy did indeed make the final call.
That said, as I always say, I'm not a fan of "Send them to Raf!" (why?) "Send them to Brian" (why?). Have a good reason why *this* skater fits *this* coach. I hope all the US women find the coaching that suits them best.
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Yes, of course. I agree.
Yes, I think others are misunderstanding what I said -- although not you
.(BTW, I still am hoping that Bradie can compete at Nats
and do well . But I get why your discussion is putting her aside.)
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I can't help but wonder if, with all of the rink closures caused by the pandemic the world over, perhaps some of the injuries are from over training, while trying to play catch up in the Olympic season, after all of the training disruptions.
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