2021-2022 US Women's Figure Skating

[Amei]

In Adam's biography, he mentioned that USFS decided Shibs were the top dance team and since dance was considered the top discipline, the Shibs got to make the choice on whether they did one or both segments. The Shibs chose to do both segments, which is why H/D didn't get a team medal.

That's going to be difficult to do this time, Chock/Bates and Hubbell/Donahue have been swapping finishing spots this whole quad.

 

[dancelion21]

That's going to be difficult to do this time, Chock/Bates and Hubbell/Donahue have been swapping finishing spots this whole quad.

They'll probably make the decision based on who wins nationals. Unlike with the Shibs in 2018, where they had enough of a Body of Work for USFS to pick them over H/D even though they lost to H/D at Nationals, neither C/B or H/D have that claim of BOW over the other team. In all their head to heads at competitions this quad, H/D have won five of them and C/B have won four of them. It's been very back and forth. Whoever wins Nationals will likely get to decide whether dance or split, or if USFS has changed its policy and decided dance will be split, which segment they would prefer to do.

 

[dorispulaski]

Btw,I guess men's that will be the top discipline this year, not dance.
Dance would be second.
Women third.
Pairs will be the last.

So Nathan, will pick to do one or both segments.

Then the top dance team, whichever it is, will pick. Unlike 2018, there are two rather than three teams as viable picks.

 

[TontoK]

My bet: Men and dance split. One woman and one pair compete both programs.

It makes sense in terms of the makeup of Team USA and it makes sense with the schedule. Men and dance are the first two individual events.

 

[Amei]

My bet: Men and dance split. One woman and one pair compete both programs.

It makes sense in terms of the makeup of Team USA and it makes sense with the schedule. Men and dance are the first two individual events.

I hope you are right, those are the 2 disciplines with top 5 contending athletes, ice dance especially - reward them by giving 2 athletes/teams pretty much a guaranteed medal.

 

[mrrice]

Do any of the women (besides Alysa) have any hope of getting selected for the Olympic team event? I don't think it would be a good idea for the USFSA to split women because Alysa has been so much better than the others, but would Bradie, Karen, or Mariah winning Nationals be able to make a case for herself?

This is a very good question. I look back on Sochi and Plushy's only strong performance was in the team event. I guess it depends on how motivated the skater is for the team event. If Alysa or Lindsay ( Who I am still hoping will make the team ) are up for the team event, they are the two that I would select. From a technical content position, I could see either of them placing 3rd or possibly second if they skate lights out. All 3 of the Russian ladies have a higher base value and if they're clean, they are unbeatable (IMO)

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

This is a very good question. I look back on Sochi and Plushy's only strong performance was in the team event. I guess it depends on how motivated the skater is for the team event. If Alysa or Lindsay ( Who I am still hoping will make the team ) are up for the team event, they are the two that I would select. From a technical content position, I could see either of them placing 3rd or possibly second if they skate lights out. All 3 of the Russian ladies have a higher base value and if they're clean, they are unbeatable (IMO)

I'd like to see Alysa win Nationals, do both segments of the team competition, and use the substitution for men and ice dance. Both of our top dance teams have been good for a long time and deserve the team competition opportunity neither has had before. Vincent is also more deserving of it that any of the women who could be substitutes.

 

[mrrice]

I'd like to see Alysa win Nationals, do both segments of the team competition, and use the substitution for men and ice dance. Both of our top dance teams have been good for a long time and deserve the team competition opportunity neither has had before. Vincent is also more deserving of it that any of the women who could be substitutes.

So would I. IMO, Alysa has earned the right to choose her own path. I would love to see her skate both programs if that's what she chooses to do. She is the clear # 1 US lady up to this point and I bet she's excited and motivated for Nationals.

 

[AlysaLiuStan]

Alysa is the clear favorite for a third national title. Who would be able to beat her?

 

[Amei]

So would I. IMO, Alysa has earned the right to choose her own path. I would love to see her skate both programs if that's what she chooses to do. She is the clear # 1 US lady up to this point and I bet she's excited and motivated for Nationals.

Disagree, the team competition is across all disciplines and there are only 2 switches between programs allowed

 

[mrrice]

Disagree, the team competition is across all disciplines and there are only 2 switches between programs allowed

IMO, The two discipline's where the US has an edge are the Men and our Ice Dancer's. There is no need to make adjustments in these area's. We are most vulnerable in the Ladies and Pairs. IMO. Alyssa is the only lady that could make an impact and our Pairs are just OK when it comes to the rest of the world. Who would you place in the team event?

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

Disagree, the team competition is across all disciplines and there are only 2 switches between programs allowed

I can't think of any reason to not have Alysa do both if she wins Nationals. The individual women's event occurs last, so she'd get over a week of rest. More importantly, she can reliably produce programs scoring 70+/130+, which isn't the case for the other American women. Bradie is obviously the biggest wildcard, but unless she wins Nationals I can't imagine other scenarios in which Alysa shouldn't do both parts of the team event.

 

[Amei]

I can't think of any reason to not have Alysa do both if she wins Nationals. The individual women's event occurs last, so she'd get over a week of rest. More importantly, she can reliably produce programs scoring 70+/130+, which isn't the case for the other American women. Bradie is obviously the biggest wildcard, but unless she wins Nationals I can't imagine other scenarios in which Alysa shouldn't do both parts of the team event.

IMO, The two discipline's where the US has an edge are the Men and our Ice Dancer's. There is no need to make adjustments in these area's. We are most vulnerable in the Ladies and Pairs. IMO. Alyssa is the only lady that could make an impact and our Pairs are just OK when it comes to the rest of the world. Who would place in the team event?

I wasn't particularly disagreeing with Alysa doing both programs, I was disagreeing with the point I bolded that Alysa has earned the right to make her own path, the only right she would have towards the team event is to say yes or no she'll compete in it, the Fed needs to take all disciplines into account and allot the competition spots and who they switch for the second program since there are only 2 switches allowed. IMO that means looking at the individual event timing and/or perhaps rewarding your strongest competitors which would for the US conveniently this Olympics as being the same disciplines, mens and ice dance.

 

[TontoK]

IMO, The two discipline's where the US has an edge are the Men and our Ice Dancer's. There is no need to make adjustments in these area's. We are most vulnerable in the Ladies and Pairs. IMO. Alyssa is the only lady that could make an impact and our Pairs are just OK when it comes to the rest of the world. Who would place in the team event?

But you're forgetting the way the Team Event works. Russia can only have one pair compete in each segment. What other country can beat USA in pairs? China, sure. Japan - maybe. Canada - maybe.

Our pairs will be competitive for 3rd placement in both segments of the team event - and on any given day, maybe better, especially in the SP.

 

[loopy1217]

This might be off topic regarding the whole team event - but H/D and C/B both have chances to get silver or bronze in individual event by their own than to get one from team- where I don’t see that happening for pairs or women. While it sucks for whoever not getting the team event, and I get it really would sucks especially for H/D not getting it again, but for individual medals - it might get more medals by sticking to one consistent team than to load a lot of pressure to the women event.

 

[Amei]

This might be off topic regarding the whole team event - but H/D and C/B both have chances to get silver or bronze in individual event by their own than to get one from team- where I don’t see that happening for pairs or women. While it sucks for whoever not getting the team event, and I get it really would sucks especially for H/D not getting it again, but for individual medals - it might get more medals by sticking to one consistent team than to load a lot of pressure to the women event.

So a strong competitor who has been a dominant competitor for the US, say H/D should be excluded from a fairly "sure" medal in favor of a pairs team or a ladies skater who hasn't got a shot at an individual medal? Politely thats basically rewarding mediocrity.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

So a strong competitor who has been a dominant competitor for the US, say H/D should be excluded from a fairly "sure" medal in favor of a pairs team or a ladies skater who hasn't got a shot at an individual medal? Politely thats basically rewarding mediocrity.

Agreed. We also can't afford a skater majorly underperforming, and the likeliest situation of that happening is splitting the women. Karen, Mariah, and Amber each have a 25-30 point difference between their best and worst scores this season.

 

[b-man]

Alysa is the clear favorite for a third national title. Who would be able to beat her?

A healthy Bradie!

 

[snowflake]

A healthy Bradie!

yes I hope Bradie can also be there fighting for her third national title

 

[elliana]

So, speaking of Bradie why would she be going over her choreo with Benoit in Boston (?) with no jumps? (According to TSL) If she's well you'd think she'd be doing the jumps or of she's not well then why even bother running the programs?