2021-22 Russian Ice Dance

[lariko]

Angelopol has some nepotistic connections (he is the nephew of Oleg Ovsyannikov who is now the deputy head of the Moscow Fed) but that's nothing compared to Eteri's pull and probably won't stop D/S from trampling all over them. Khavronina/Cirisano as far as I am aware are not related to anyone of note, so they stand even less chance unless talent counts for something.

Kh/C also have to move to seniors earlier, so they will be starting at a disadvantage with D/S sooner. We will likely be seeing the beginnings of this story next year.

 

[flanker]

List of the preliminary entries for the russian narionals added to the first page. I'll copy it here as well:

21-26 December 2021, St. Petersburg

Info

Results

Entries:

Viktoria Sinitsina / Nikita Katsalapov

Aleksandra Stepanova / Ivan Bukin

Tiffani Zagorski / Jonathan Guereiro

Anastasia Skoptcova / Kirill Aleshin

Sofia Shevchenko / Igor Eremenko

Elizaveta Khudaiberdieva / Egor Bazin

Annabelle Morozova / Andrei Bagin

Elizaveta Shanaeva / Devid Naryzhhnyi

Diana Davis / Gleb Smolkin

Angelina Lazareva / Maksim Prokofiev

Vlada Pavlenia / Aleksandr Aleksanian

Elizaveta Pasechnik / Dmitry Blinov

Ksenia Ermakova / Vladisla Panteleev

Ekaterina Mironova / Evgeniy Ustenko

Ekaterina Khrabrykh / MIron Suslov

Subs:

Sofia Kartashova / Ilya Karpov

Elizaveta Kirillova / Mark Chegodaev

Olga Voronina / Aleksei Ivanov

Arina Ushakova / Maksim Nekrasov

Here is the whole list:

 

[lurkerghost1]

List of the preliminary entries for the russian narionals added to the first page. I'll copy it here as well:

21-26 December 2021, St. Petersburg

Info

Results

Entries:

Viktoria Sinitsina / Nikita Katsalapov

Aleksandra Stepanova / Ivan Bukin

Tiffani Zagorski / Jonathan Guereiro

Anastasia Skoptcova / Kirill Aleshin

Sofia Shevchenko / Igor Eremenko

Elizaveta Khudaiberdieva / Egor Bazin

Annabelle Morozova / Andrei Bagin

Elizaveta Shanaeva / Devid Naryzhhnyi

Diana Davis / Gleb Smolkin

Angelina Lazareva / Maksim Prokofiev

Vlada Pavlenia / Aleksandr Aleksanian

Elizaveta Pasechnik / Dmitry Blinov

Ksenia Ermakova / Vladisla Panteleev

Ekaterina Mironova / Evgeniy Ustenko

Ekaterina Khrabrykh / MIron Suslov

Subs:

Sofia Kartashova / Ilya Karpov

Elizaveta Kirillova / Mark Chegodaev

Olga Voronina / Aleksei Ivanov

Arina Ushakova / Maksim Nekrasov

Here is the whole list:

Do you know anything about the rumors Shevchenko retired?? If so this is really sad, without politics she and Skoptsova and Khudaiberdieva would be the next three top ice dance teams instead of Nepotism 1 and 2. But ice dance is nothing without politics tbh, I guess most people start ice dance when they’re too young to understand that so they stick with it.

 

[flanker]

Do you know anything about the rumors Shevchenko retired?? If so this is really sad, without politics she and Skoptsova and Khudaiberdieva would be the next three top ice dance teams instead of Nepotism 1 and 2. But ice dance is nothing without politics tbh, I guess most people start ice dance when they’re too young to understand that so they stick with it.

I don't know anything about that but we can congratulate to Sofia on her 20th birthday!

 

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The official list of the RN participants:

https://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/2122/rusnat2122_participants.pdf

 

[lurkerghost1]

The official list of the RN participants:

https://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/2122/rusnat2122_participants.pdf

Very interesting...Shevchenko/Eremenko out and Ushakova/Nekrasov replacing them even though they’re only 4th subs.

Sofia this season protested the inclusion of Davis/Smolkin and Morozov/Bagin on the Grand Prix over her and Eremenko. Understandably so, because she was higher ranked both in ISU world standing, in season’s best, and higher ranking at last Russian nationals. If she really did retire I can’t blame her, she joins the list of victims of politics

 

[flanker]

Very interesting...Shevchenko/Eremenko out and Ushakova/Nekrasov replacing them even though they’re only 4th subs.

Sofia this season protested the inclusion of Davis/Smolkin and Morozov/Bagin on the Grand Prix over her and Eremenko. Understandably so, because she was higher ranked both in ISU world standing, in season’s best, and higher ranking at last Russian nationals. If she really did retire I can’t blame her, she joins the list of victims of politics

Sofia/Egor got their spot, which somehow was ommitted in your post. Also, at the beginning of the season they even were not at the test skates because of "medical reasons", so it was not thyat surprising they were not in the initial batch of names.

 

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BTW, medical reasons are quoted as a reason why Soia/Egore withdrew from nationals (text and the second slide):

 

[litenkyckling]

Sofia/Egor got their spot, which somehow was ommitted in your post. Also, at the beginning of the season they even were not at the test skates because of "medical reasons", so it was not thyat surprising they were not in the initial batch of names.

Although you’ve omitted from your post that they only got that spot once someone else WD from NHK, whereas Annabelle got 2 spots immediately and Diana got 1 too despite the fact that Sofia and Igor technically earned 2 given their previous success and placement at RusNats. If medical reasons was why they got overlooked, then I doubt Igor would have been so vocal about their disappointment.

The nepotism politics in Russian ID this season is clearly happening, and I don’t think that be denied at all.

 

[flanker]

Although you’ve omitted from your post that they only got that spot once someone else WD from NHK, whereas Annabelle got 2 spots immediately and Diana got 1 too despite the fact that Sofia and Igor technically earned 2 given their previous success and placement at RusNats. If medical reasons was why they got overlooked, then I doubt Igor would have been so vocal about their disappointment.

The nepotism politics in Russian ID this season is clearly happening, and I don’t think that be denied at all.

Though Diana/Gleb got their invitation from canadian skating union, who was an organizer and considering the state of relations between them and rusfed I really doubt it was Rusfed or Eteri herself who came to canadian skating union and ordered them "you have to invite Diana or else"

 

[Kittosuni]

Although you’ve omitted from your post that they only got that spot once someone else WD from NHK, whereas Annabelle got 2 spots immediately and Diana got 1 too despite the fact that Sofia and Igor technically earned 2 given their previous success and placement at RusNats. If medical reasons was why they got overlooked, then I doubt Igor would have been so vocal about their disappointment.

The nepotism politics in Russian ID this season is clearly happening, and I don’t think that be denied at all.

I dont doubt that there is politicking happening behind the scene in a national level and to be fair i do think that it happens to all countries not just Russia but Im curious how it is supposed to be done internationally.

It is easy to speculate how Russia could influence judges from ex-soviet countries but I'm puzzled with how even the North Americans seem to be on board with the Davis/Smolkin partnership. Obviously judges can't really do nothing that D/S are hitting their elements and key points but they have the power to pull them in PCS.

I think going to Cranberry as their first competition was a calculated move. They know they most likely end up 2/3rd which is good for their reputation and then kept skating consistently which solidify that optics. whether we admit it or not reputation plays a big role in ice dance and this is the area where this team is milking it big time.

Sorry but the Morozov/Bagin aint happening. International judges won't take them seriously until the can hit their levels consistently.

 

[lariko]

I hope Shevchenko/Eremenko recover, as I liked them in juniors and was disappointed by their unsuccessful outing this year in GP.

 

[Kittosuni]

Hopefully Zahorski will be able to skate at nationals since she is still not training 100%.

That 3rd spot is still theirs but they cannot afford to make errors. I think their veteran PCS advantage is pretty much wiped out at this point

 

[Kittosuni]

I hope Shevchenko/Eremenko recover, as I liked them in juniors and was disappointed by their unsuccessful outing this year in GP.

I honestly think that being in the shadows of Stepanova/Bukin did hurt them a bit.

I think continuing to the next quad is good for them since the venterans are probably retiring but Im not sure staying with their current group is a wise decision.

Their younger teammate seems to be the next in line and the inclusion of Morozov to their team will probably mean that M/B will be more prioritize.

 

[Flying Feijoa]

I honestly think that being in the shadows of Stepanova/Bukin did hurt them a bit.

I think continuing to the next quad is good for them since the venterans are probably retiring but Im not sure staying with their current group is a wise decision.

Their younger teammate seems to be the next in line and the inclusion of Morozov to their team will probably mean that M/B will be more prioritize.

Perhaps they could try the route that Kuts/Mikhailov took in 2018 and move to Sokolniki? Rubleva and Shefer are ex-students of Svinin and Zhuk with a kind of similar style to them, but less jam-packed with teams (mainly Tyutyunina/Shustitskiy and the Goncharovs). I think the move would have turned out well for K/M in the long run if Mikhailov hadn't gone off to become a coach at Plush's.

Interesting to note that K/M, S/E and Shpilevaya/Smirnov were all direct competitors in juniors at the time. S/E became the sole survivors of this trio, only to enter another awkward sandwich in seniors between Step/Buk and Shanaeva/Naryzhnyy...

 

[vorravorra]

Perhaps they could try the route that Kuts/Mikhailov took in 2018 and move to Sokolniki? Rubleva and Shefer are ex-students of Svinin and Zhuk with a kind of similar style to them, but less jam-packed with teams (mainly Tyutyunina/Shustitskiy and the Goncharovs). I think the move would have turned out well for K/M in the long run if Mikhailov hadn't gone off to become a coach at Plush's.

Interesting to note that K/M, S/E and Shpilevaya/Smirnov were all direct competitors in juniors at the time. S/E became the sole survivors of this trio, only to enter another awkward sandwich in seniors between Step/Buk and Shanaeva/Naryzhnyy...

It wasn't up to Mikhailov, Eva didn't want to skate any longer.

 

[Flying Feijoa]

It wasn't up to Mikhailov, Eva didn't want to skate any longer.

Oh really? I thought it was the other way round, since after they split Eva tried out with someone and relocated to the US for a short while.

 

[vorravorra]

Oh really? I thought it was the other way round, since after they split Eva tried out with someone and relocated to the US for a short while.

That's what was said. Mikhailov actually seems kind of wistful about hid dance career. But I can easily understand a dancer deciding they have no future in Russia.

 

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Pic from the press conference: