2022-23 Retirements, Splits and New Partnerships

[Jumping_Bean]

The ice dance field has lost another couple due to injury :



Wishing Max a full recovery and Lara to find a suitable new partner!


Even though this does not seem to be a reason for the split, there are once again insinuations that the German federation does not support its athletes sufficiently, if I am reading Lara's post correctly.

It's always so difficult if one partner struggles with a severe injury for a long time because you don't want to abandon them but at the same time your own career is so short, and potentially waiting for years without even ever managing to come back isn't fair to the healthy partner either.

Wishing them both well, and particularly wishing Max all of the best in his recovery.

Maybe Lara can team up with Nikita Remeshevsky? They already both train in Oberstdorf and there would be no issues with federation changes. But then again, I'm sure they would have already tried out together, as they are training under the same coach, and it probably just wasn't a good fit.

 

[hanca]

Would he even be able to obtain a Czech citizenship by then?

Before the war, very likely. Zhuk (pairs) also got Czech citizenship relatively quickly, but it may be different now considering that Cirisano is Russian. But even if he managed to get Czech citizenship, that would have no impact on his release from Russian skating federation.

 

[cheerknithanson]

Before the war, very likely. Zhuk (pairs) also got Czech citizenship relatively quickly, but it may be different now considering that Cirisano is Russian. But even if he managed to get Czech citizenship, that would have no impact on his release from Russian skating federation.

I mean in terms if were to get it before the Russian federation released him so he would be eligible for 2026.

 

[yesterday]

The ice dance field has lost another couple due to injury :



Wishing Max a full recovery and Lara to find a suitable new partner!


Even though this does not seem to be a reason for the split, there are once again insinuations that the German federation does not support its athletes sufficiently, if I am reading Lara's post correctly.

She's already here http://icepartnersearch.com/showbio.php?i=7412
And she also has something like a crowdfunding page, so yes to your last sentence.

But I think that's part of a lot of professional sports sadly and lots of athletes do this from time to time or when working towards special projects

 

[4everchan]

I mean in terms if were to get it before the Russian federation released him so he would be eligible for 2026.

on what basis would he get an expedited citizenship, if he is not competing for Czech republic ? I don't know how it works over there obviously, but to get a fast resolution, an athlete needs to be bringing results for their adopted country... I mean, Carreira wasn't deemed good enough for the USA to fast-track her if I recall correctly and they had results already skating for the USA in juniors. On top of that, Czech republic has two other very good teams. The reality is that until he gets his release, he won't be applying for any citizenship.

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

Before the war, very likely. Zhuk (pairs) also got Czech citizenship relatively quickly, but it may be different now considering that Cirisano is Russian. But even if he managed to get Czech citizenship, that would have no impact on his release from Russian skating federation.

Don't forget, Dario Cirisano was born in Italy, and has an Italian father (I'm afraid I don't know anything about his mother. She may be Russian, or she may not). So, if trying to represent Denisa's country turns out too difficult, they could go down the Italian route.

Of course, that doesn't make any difference if the Russian Fed doesn't play ball. But, it is worth keeping in mind for when he is eventually free to represent another country.

CaroLiza_fan

 

[4everchan]

Don't forget, Dario Cirisano was born in Italy, and has an Italian father (I'm afraid I don't know anything about his mother. She may be Russian, or she may not). So, if trying to represent Denisa's country turns out too difficult, they could go down the Italian route.

Of course, that doesn't make any difference if the Russian Fed doesn't play ball. But, it is worth keeping in mind for when he is eventually free to represent another country.

CaroLiza_fan

as you mention, he still needs his release from RUSFED... and then, if they said yes... and CZE doesn't work out, then, his partner would need her release from the Czech Republic and would need Italian citizenship... there is no easy route here..... especially when RUSFED said 2 years... he is screwed for this quad.

 

[surimi]

I wonder what they're going to do. Unless she's a huge optimist that was just hoping for the best outcome, Cimlova must have suspected this was likely to happen. The relations between Russia and some very vocal pars of EU, including CZE, are frosty at best. I don't know if either of the two skaters is really surprised. I'm afraid this is the fourth failed partnership for her within the span of a couple of years. Pity.

 

[Flying Feijoa]

I wonder what they're going to do. Unless she's a huge optimist that was just hoping for the best outcome, Cimlova must have suspected this was likely to happen. The relations between Russia and some very vocal pars of EU, including CZE, are frosty at best. I don't know if either of the two skaters is really surprised. I'm afraid this is the fourth failed partnership for her within the span of a couple of years. Pity.

2 years is not that long, if it's a good partnership and they are happy to wait (it took 4 years for Tiffany Zagorski I think?). Also we're halfway through this quad already, and it takes a while for new teams to build a reputation with judges, so they are well set for 2030.
It may not be all about the Olympics either. It's still uncertain how long the ban on Russia will last - this way at least they have a concrete timeframe to plan for.

 

[Diana Delafield]

She's already here http://icepartnersearch.com/showbio.php?i=7412
And she also has something like a crowdfunding page, so yes to your last sentence.

But I think that's part of a lot of professional sports sadly and lots of athletes do this from time to time or when working towards special projects

I hope she corrects the typo in her last sentence. There's a big difference between being always happy to receive a message and a massage!

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

as you mention, he still needs his release from RUSFED... and then, if they said yes... and CZE doesn't work out, then, his partner would need her release from the Czech Republic and would need Italian citizenship... there is no easy route here..... especially when RUSFED said 2 years... he is screwed for this quad.

But, as I said in an earlier post, the relationship between the Czech and Italian Feds is very good. I'm sure the Czech Fed wouldn't make things difficult for them if they needed to switch to Italy.

And anyway, they only need citizenship if they want to go to the Olympics. For many skaters, getting the opportunity to compete at Europeans or Worlds would be a dream come true. And they would have a very good chance of doing that with the Czech Fed, due to how well the Taschlers are getting on.

Of course, the Italian Fed has the full quota of slots due to Guignard / Fabbri's efforts, but there is more competition for the additional slots.

CaroLiza_fan

 

[AlexBreeze]

But, as I said in an earlier post, the relationship between the Czech and Italian Feds is very good. I'm sure the Czech Fed wouldn't make things difficult for them if they needed to switch to Italy.

And anyway, they only need citizenship if they want to go to the Olympics. For many skaters, getting the opportunity to compete at Europeans or Worlds would be a dream come true. And they would have a very good chance of doing that with the Czech Fed, due to how well the Taschlers are getting on.

Of course, the Italian Fed has the full quota of slots due to Guignard / Fabbri's efforts, but there is more competition for the additional slots.

CaroLiza_fan

The Czech Republic has two strong couples and two spots. It seems unlikely for C/C to make it to EC/WG/OG, unless the Czech Republic gets a third spot.

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

The Czech Republic has two strong couples and two spots. It seems unlikely for C/C to make it to EC/WG/OG, unless the Czech Republic gets a third spot.

I was really struggling to work out who you were talking about. Because the Taschlers are the only Czech partnership that is still together that were competing in Senior Ice Dance at 4 Nationals.

Then I looked at the Junior results and it dawned on me who you meant.

Does this mean the Mrázeks are moving up to Seniors next season?

CaroLiza_fan

 

[4everchan]

You can read the GS article about the Mrazeks it's on the front page

And though the Italian and Czech feds have good relationships, citizenship is another story.

 

[AlexBreeze]

I was really struggling to work out who you were talking about. Because the Taschlers are the only Czech partnership that is still together that were competing in Senior Ice Dance at 4 Nationals.

Then I looked at the Junior results and it dawned on me who you meant.

Does this mean the Mrázeks are moving up to Seniors next season?

CaroLiza_fan

I don't know if they are moving up, but anyway they only have one junior-eligible season left. And I think they are stronger competitors for the remaining spot than any Italian couple.

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

I don't know if they are moving up, but anyway they only have one junior-eligible season left. And I think they are stronger competitors for the remaining spot than any Italian couple.

When the Taschlers and the Mrázeks are both competing in Seniors, they will definitely be filling two slots. So, all things being equal (i.e. no injuries), the only hope that Cimlová / Cirisano would have is if the sibling partnerships can earn a third slot.

But, I do think that there is a good chance of that happening.

In Italy, although Guignard / Fabbri are way out in front, it is very competitive between the other partnerships. So if Denisa and Dario turn out to be of a similar level to these partnerships, there is no guarantee that they would get a slot.

So, all in all, I do think the Czech route is the best route for them. If they can get Dario released.

CaroLiza_fan

 

[kolyadafan2002]

When the Taschlers and the Mrázeks are both competing in Seniors, they will definitely be filling two slots. So, all things being equal (i.e. no injuries), the only hope that Cimlová / Cirisano would have is if the sibling partnerships can earn a third slot.

But, I do think that there is a good chance of that happening.

In Italy, although Guignard / Fabbri are way out in front, it is very competitive between the other partnerships. So if Denisa and Dario turn out to be of a similar level to these partnerships, there is no guarantee that they would get a slot.

So, all in all, I do think the Czech route is the best route for them. If they can get Dario released.

CaroLiza_fan

I also there are political reasons behind it to (I.e. federation influence). Italian coaches will likely have a strong influence on the Italian federation vs the Czech (Zanni is politically popular, but I.AM are a big powerhouse). In Italy though, its probably best if you have the support of an Italian coach

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

You can read the GS article about the Mrazeks it's on the front page

Yeah, I saw the thread this morning. But the interview itself is a video. I can't be bothered with watching videos unless they are programme videos.

...says the guy who did video interviews with 3 skaters a few years ago. (And freely admits that he was no-good at it! )

And though the Italian and Czech feds have good relationships, citizenship is another story.

Citizenship only matters if you are aiming for the Olympics. It doesn't matter if you are aiming for Euros or Worlds. Which is what I think skaters should be aiming for.

You all know my feelings about the Olympics. But I don't want to derail the thread, so I won't go over old ground again.

CaroLiza_fan

 

[hanca]

Don't forget, Dario Cirisano was born in Italy, and has an Italian father (I'm afraid I don't know anything about his mother. She may be Russian, or she may not). So, if trying to represent Denisa's country turns out too difficult, they could go down the Italian route.

Of course, that doesn't make any difference if the Russian Fed doesn't play ball. But, it is worth keeping in mind for when he is eventually free to represent another country.

CaroLiza_fan

The problem isn’t representing Czechia and therefore representing a different country won’t fix it. His problem currently is that the Russian skating federation is refusing to release him. They are saying that they would release him on spring 2025 (two years after they got the request to be released because he was on the national team). So this issue will remain the same regardless which country he will represent. And in terms of being ready for the next olympics, it doesn’t really make much difference whether they will represent Czechia or Italy - in both cases one will need to obtain a new citizenship. If they represent Czechia, he will need to get Czech citizenship. If they decided to represent Italy, his partner will need to get Italian citizenship. I would think getting Czech citizenship is faster, although I am not sure how much they are going to hold against him that he is Russian, considering the current situation. It is not as if Czechia needed this partnership- they have a good dance couple even without them.

 

[BlissfulSynergy]

I am, well, flummoxed by the reappearance of Dmitry.

I trust that MIDA are satisfied with whatever reasons he gave for his disappearance on Isabella, and I hope he is well. This should be, um, interesting.

Well, Katarina posted again recently, and expressed her excitement over 'new beginnings.' She indicated that after her recent split, she remained open to people and to possibilities, but that she had never imagined skating with Dimitry, whom she, of course, knew as a former competitor. Katarina goes on to mention that Dimitry "wrote to me, and wow!!!"

So the unknown about who reached out first, is now revealed. Clearly, Dimitry must love skating, so he must not have abruptly stopped on his own. Who would want to give up (at the 11th hour) the opportunity to win junior ice dance at U.S. Nationals?! When splits occur, they usually happen after Nationals, not immediately before.

This should be interesting on many levels. And strangely, maybe they will be a good match. As I said earlier, perhaps Dima saw how well Isabella bounced back with a wonderful new partner. And then, because Dima apparently still desires to compete, he must have noticed when Katarina became available, and he eventually decided to reach out. Unwitting partnership musical chairs seemingly works in mysterious ways.