2023 Lake Placid Ice Dance International | Jul 31 - Aug 2

[dorispulaski]

The top 3 senior international rds are all I have found.

 

[TontoK]

Thank you, Doris! @dorispulaski

I see now why that opening choreo sequence scored so well. That was great.

And I agree with you about the speed. Much improved.

 

[gleungc6]

Brown's RD

If you look at this twitter account you can find most of the RDs (at least twenty) on this thread

https://twitter.com/icedancekorblog/status/1686575385138561024?s=46&t=jcQTLKAqIsitn7YVTyhPug

 

[el henry]

Wow, did Gage come alive in the "I'm Still Standing" portion. And Oona was his match throughout the program. Well deserved scores

Oona and Gage are faster and crisper, and if that is due to I AM, then all praise to them. *And*, most importantly, Oona and Gage still have the personality and performance chops that made me notice them in the first place.

And for all our complaints (including me) about "same old same old" music, I have no idea what those first two (?) Elton cuts were. Not overly done.

 

[BlissfulSynergy]

The Browns must have switched from Footloose then. That's what was listed for them initially.

It should be an exciting season. All the teams, and especially mid-level up-and-coming senior teams in the U.S. had to pick-it-up in order to stay competitive. There's huge talent across-the-board domestically and internationally in ice dance. Not a lot separates the better teams. There are many factors involved in the whole process of training and crafting programs for these athletes. When they bring their programs to the ice, the judging always involves politics, subjectivity, perception, etc. Hard work and strategic decisionmaking are key, but luck factors in as well.

The 80s music selections are a lot of fun to watch. Pate/ Bye look good, but I think the Browns look better. Gage has always been a fantastic ice dancer, and Oona matches him in skill and attitude. But I think Gage overall has been the outstanding anchor of this team's performances. Davis/ Smolkin also look good, but from what I saw in their RD, Smolkin stands out more than Davis. I haven't seen any other videos yet. Judging by detail scores for Wolf/ Tsar, and Flor/ Des, not much separates these two teams. As usual for ice dance, when skaters are close in talent, scoring can break down along the lines of politics, preference, perception, and subjectivity.

The Browns were certainly helped by seeking counsel, fresh eyes and ideas from I.AM. Managing to best Davis/ Smolkin, and Pate/ Bye, et al., is significant. The Browns' RD score at '23 US Natls senior debut was 72.80. Not bad, but they were behind a lot of teams they need to be competitive with. So a jump to 75+ in their RD at this event, is meaningful. With Zingas/ Kolesnik's star stature, they probably would have topped the leaderboard had they not withdrawn (if they performed to their level). Z/K scored a substantial 78.18 in their RD at '23 US Nationals (ahead of Carr/ Pon), although Carr/ Pon prevailed overall after the FD.

I guess a lot of teams will be wanting some advice from I.AM., not that they agree to help everyone who asks. LOL!

 

[CrazyKittenLady]

Loved Davis/Smolkin! I've been a fan since their Junior days when they had the Aristocats program and I'm really happy to see them competing again.

Good luck to all the teams in the FD!

 

[Seven Sisters]

Watched Jeff Chen and new partner in Domestic Juniors this morning. He really is very talented; though his new partner does not have the same level of experience, she did fine. Beautiful dance spin. POTO, unfortunately

Liked the team who placed second, Cui/Eckerd, who I’d never heard of! Just when I was thinking hey, these two are doing a good job, they’re not half bad, he had an unfortunate error. Absent that, I think it would have been closer!

We also had a scary double fall from a lift this morning. Both got up immediately and took their positions for next element, with him smiling. Way to go, kids!

 

[labgoat]

Was surprised to see Molly & Dmitri (CAN) so low. Haven’t they been senior for awhile?
impressive to see the Browns do so well.

 

[TontoK]

If you look at this twitter account you can find most of the RDs (at least twenty) on this thread

https://twitter.com/icedancekorblog/status/1686575385138561024?s=46&t=jcQTLKAqIsitn7YVTyhPug

I appreciate the referral to this account.

I've added that account to my personal Figure Skating List on Twitter. One of the very few times I find value in social media.

 

[labgoat]

As far the juniors go, they still have a pattern dance. This year it is the Rocker Foxtrot, a dance I have never seen done in junior or senior competition; it is occasionally seen in Novice. I have never seen it done with defined key points being graded. Looking at the protocols, the kids were missing the key points.

Here is the step description of the dance:

https://www.ice-dance.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/RockerFoxtrot.pdf

And the Key point 2 in sequence 1 and Key point 1 in sequence 2 have been recently changed , as of ISU Communication 2569. They are now:

Pattern Dance Element (1RF) Steps # 1-14 Key Point 1 Woman Step 5 (LFO-SwRk) SKATED BY THE WOMAN Key Point 2 Man Steps 5b – 7a (RFO, LFO3, RBO) SKATED BY THE MAN Key Point 3 Woman Steps 11-13 (LFO – ClMo, RBO, XF-LBI) SKATED BY THE WOMAN Key Point 4 Man Steps 11-13 (LFO – ClMo, RBO, XF-LBI) SKATED BY THE MAN Key Point Features Must include correct edges and holds 1. Correct Turn 2. Correct Swing movement 1. Correct Turn 1. Correct Foot placement 2. Correct Cross in front 1. Correct Foot placement 2. Correct Cross in front Pattern Dance Element (2RF) Steps # 1-14 Key Point 1 Man Steps 5b - 7a (RFO, LFO3, RBO) SKATED BY THE WOMAN Key Point 2 Woman Step 5 (LFO-SwRk) SKATED BY THE MAN Key Point 3 Man Steps 11-13 (LFO – ClMo, RBO, XF-LBI) SKATED BY THE WOMAN Key Point 4 Woman Steps 11-13 (LFO – ClMo, RBO, XF-LBI) SKATED BY THE MAN Key Point Features Must include correct edges and holds 1. Correct Turn 1. Correct Turn 2. Correct Swing movement 1. Correct Foot placement 2. Correct Cross in front 1. Correct Foot placement 2. Correct Cross in front Note: - Push/Transition to the next step: A change of edge within the last 1⁄2 a beat of the step is permitted to prepare the push/transition to the next step - 2RF: Correct Hold for 2RF during the Key Points is any recognizable Dance Hold excluding Hand in Hand. Variation of Hold is permitted during the steps which are not Key Points.

I am not sure how to think about that. I presume it is one of the easier patterns. Does it give a boost to younger juniors because they have danced it competitively more recently? Does it favor more experienced teams?

It will be interesting.

From 1992 World Juniors - Rocker Foxtrot by World Junior Champions Marina Anissina & Ilia Averbukh

title says Foxtrot but Barb Underhill says it is the Rocker Foxtrot

 

[Jumping_Bean]

Well, the results from this competition (both the international and national part) have certainly not made it easier for the US to choose their JGP assignments, have they?

Except, of course, for Neset/Markelov and Peal/Peal definitely cementing their claim to get two JGP assignments.

 

[Andrea82]

Junior International final result
Mullens pull ahead of Carhart/Horovyi

Pl.	Name	Nation	Points	RD	FD
1	Leah NESET / Artem MARKELOV	USA	161.27	1	1
2	Elliana PEAL / Ethan PEAL	USA	152.21	2	2
3	Caroline MULLEN / Brendan MULLEN	USA	146.86	4	3
4	Helena CARHART / Volodymyr HOROVYI	USA	143.93	3	4
5	Harlow STANLEY / Nikita SOSNENKO	MEX	126.10	5	7
6	Emma GOODSTADT / Christian BENNETT	CAN	126.01	6	6
7	Kristina BLAND / Matthew SPERRY	USA	123.28	9	5
8	Sophia GOVER / Billy WILSON-FRENCH	CAN	115.99	7	8
9	Charlotte CHUNG / Axel MACKENZIE	CAN	112.91	8	9
10	Catharina GUEDES TIBAU / Cayden DAWSON	BRA	101.47	10	10

 

[Seven Sisters]

Junior International final result
Mullens pull ahead of Carhart/Horovyi

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Pl.	Name	Nation	Points	RD	FD
1	Leah NESET / Artem MARKELOV	USA	161.27	1	1
2	Elliana PEAL / Ethan PEAL	USA	152.21	2	2
3	Caroline MULLEN / Brendan MULLEN	USA	146.86	4	3
4	Helena CARHART / Volodymyr HOROVYI	USA	143.93	3	4
5	Harlow STANLEY / Nikita SOSNENKO	MEX	126.10	5	7
6	Emma GOODSTADT / Christian BENNETT	CAN	126.01	6	6
7	Kristina BLAND / Matthew SPERRY	USA	123.28	9	5
8	Sophia GOVER / Billy WILSON-FRENCH	CAN	115.99	7	8
9	Charlotte CHUNG / Axel MACKENZIE	CAN	112.91	8	9
10	Catharina GUEDES TIBAU / Cayden DAWSON	BRA	101.47	10	10

And—I, who was there live, would have had the Mullens ahead of the Peals. Peals FD felt just a bit safe, while the Mullens skated like they had nothing to lose. I hope their third here will persuade USFS to give them a chance on the JGP!

 

[Jumping_Bean]

Same podium for the NQS Seniors as at Dallas Classic - Wolfkostin/Tsarevski, Flores/Desyatov, Koncius/Shchepetov

5 points higher for K/S, 15 points higher for W/T, and a whopping 22 (!) points higher for F/D. Pretty close between W/T and F/D (2.6 points apart), will be interesting to see how USFS handles these two new(-ish), but so far scoring potential-wise comparable teams.

 

[cheerknithanson]

Is there a stream?

 

[dorispulaski]

No, but videos have been showing up on a Korean ice dance Twitter.

 

[dorispulaski]

Sr. NQS

Place	Start	Name	Rhythm Dance	Free Dance	Total Score
Place	Score	Place	Score
1	3	Katarina Wolfkostin, Peninsula SC Dimitry Tsarevski, Peninsula SC	1	70.04	1	108.89	178.93
2	4	Isabella Flores, Thunderbirds FSC Ivan Desyatov, Thunderbirds FSC	2	68.71	2	107.62	176.33
3	5	Raffaella Koncius, Los Angeles FSC Alexey Shchepetov, FSC of Southern California	3	59.85	3	90.73	150.58
4	1	Klara Kowar, Aspen SC Thomas Schwappach, Denver Colorado FSC	4	47.67	5	72.76	120.43
5	2	Cara Murphy, Arctic FSC Joshua Levitt, Pittsburgh FSC	5	36.09	4	83.14	119.23

 

[yesterday]

Sen. FD now live https://ijs.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/2023/32142/SEG002.htm

 

[Andrea82]

After two groups
Bashynska/Beaumont leading with 163.56 overall (104.84 FD)
Dozzi/Papetti lost positions (technical issues as the TES is low. PCS are second best).
Ritter/Brykalov won the Azeri battle against Carhart/Kolovskyi (very low TES and 2 points deduction. Probably falls within an element).

 

[Seven Sisters]

Loose Bootstrap fiasco for Ling & Wein—referee called a stop, Caleb had to tape it down and restart. Poor kids now in 6th

Last group just taking the ice. And here I thought the costumes couldn’t get any worse, after Lanaghan/R. Hah! We have two more candidates just in this group —Glen Smolkin (oddly, Diana’s, though a tutu, is okay) and young Kiliakov.