Alexander Petrov: Plushenko Ready to Compete!

[LRK]

This is all getting rather overwrought and hysterical... :disapp:

Yes, accusing a skater of lying, cheating and faking an injury and multiple surgeries with no evidence whatsoever to back one's claim, is certainly a bit much.

But perhaps that wasn't what you meant? Personally, just because I didn't like a skater, does not mean that I'd accuse them of being a lying liar who lies. But, as always with these things, YMMV.

 

[plushyfan]

Plushenko's screws after the first surgery https://www.google.hu/search?q=Плющ...1P6SKXKOM:&usg=__cKizVQxvgkMuqx7O0rudaBaHAao=

after Sochi: https://www.google.hu/search?q=Плющ...35osD33JM:&usg=__cKizVQxvgkMuqx7O0rudaBaHAao= wait a little bit and you will see the broken bolt

but I know they lied,, this isn't his spine..

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

I see no reason to doubt Plushy's injuries. I'd say in this sport even an ounce of shade can create a mountain of doubt. I'm not interested in all that. However....and a bit more on topic. I'm not so sure we'll see him competing this season. I hope my gut instincts are wrong because I love the excitement and flavor he gives to the sport but I'm inclined to think this is similar to last season when he said he would compete and that obviously did not happen.

 

[LRK]

I see no reason to doubt Plushy's injuries. I'd say in this sport even an ounce of shade can create a mountain of doubt. I'm not interested in all that. However....and a bit more on topic. I'm not so sure we'll see him competing this season. I hope my gut instincts are wrong because I love the excitement and flavor he gives to the sport but I'm inclined to think this is similar to last season when he said he would compete and that obviously did not happen.

It's a bit different, as he actually did say he meant to sit the season out. That said, I agree that I'm by no means certain when we will see him - what with all the shows he is doing and what-not. (Just Snow King 2 is going to take an awful lot of time, I'm sure.) How much training will he be able to get in - and what effect will that training have on him? So, as I said in the Plushy fan thread: I'll expect him when I see him.

 

[HanDomi]

Well I too have doubts if he will be back. He said he wants to learn new quad ? Being honest, personally I doubt he will be able to land two quad toes in free skate at this age and after many injuires. Would be great if he could make me wrong, but I doubt

 

[[email protected]]

Maia Plisetskaya was dancing well into her sixties. I got a recording of Bolshoi's Swan Lake, 1976 production - you would never believe she was 51 there!

I went to Plisetskaya in Bolshoi in 1987 - she was more than sixty then. That of course is amazing. But it was clear that she could not do all the jumps with the same ease and grace as before. I understand that quads mean significant hits to the body. Hence, I am not sure if Plushy can/should do them with all his spine history.

 

[plushyfan]

Yes, accusing a skater of lying, cheating and faking an injury and multiple surgeries with no evidence whatsoever to back one's claim, is certainly a bit much.

But perhaps that wasn't what you meant? Personally, just because I didn't like a skater, does not mean that I'd accuse them of being a lying liar who lies. But, as always with these things, YMMV.

Because you are Plushenko fan. The Plushenko fans are mostly kind persons who like every skaters...:yes:

and about the lying... If Plushenko is lying that means lying his all team, Mishin, Mrs Mishin, Avdish, maybe the doctor, the young skaters in the team, the staff in the ice rink, Plushenko's family, Yana's two older sons who are living with him, Sasha's governess, his ex wife and his older son ..etc.. They are not blind. That wouldn't have been secret anymore..

 

[plushyfan]

to Blades of Passion

I was angry so I forgot to react your every statement:

As I said in 2002 after GPF they choreographed the Carmen and he needed to learn an absolutely new program. He had max two months for this. The Carmen technically was more difficult than Yaguidn's program. And funny to think he was afraid of Yagudin. In 2001 he beat Yagudin everywhere, he beat him at every Russian National since 1998. Yagudin needed sports psychologist not Plushenko.
After SLC OG, Plushenko didn't go to WCH, yes. He was very disappointed, most of the experts waited him to win. After the competition he was ill, he had very high fever he lost 4-5 kilogramm in 4 days and the doctors didn't find any reason. Probably because his soul was ill, you don't forget he was just 19, he was younger than Yuzuru, Jason in Sochi. And when they decided he won't go the WCH, that wasn't his decision solely ..probably Mishin said the final words.

Look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMwbfo9vgZw 1998 Worlds K&C after LP - Plushenko marks and Yagudin reaction . Plushenko was a little bit older than 15, Yagudin was 18....
a comment: "he was afraid to lose to a 15 y.o. Plushenko.....this video says it all about their relationship"

and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byMrwtOhPcc

And if you don't know he was out of the podium one time since 1998. At WCH 2000 , but he was the leader after Sp . He had an awful skating, (he cried a little bit:shocked: ) and he finished on 4th. But except his fighting with Yagudin, and after Yagudin retirement he was always on first place after SP. He won every GP, ECH, GPF ( except 2004 ECH, lost to Brian, and GPF- but he lost because he did more combos than the rules allowed.) he had no other medals just golds. So he wasn't on first place in 2005, there was a reason: he was injured.


and finally: I wasn't happy when he said he will compete, honestly I was in shock. I don't want it, I have many reasons. I also don't think he is able to compete with the young guys. But he was in good shape in last weeks. So we will see what will happen. Wait.

 

[jace93]

you don't forget he was just 19, he was younger than Yuzuru, Jason in Sochi.

Slight correction, he was a month older, not that it makes a difference...

Anyway I don't think dissing a great skater like Yagudin will do much to prove your point... it's a bit like the posters that diss Plushenko to prove this or that skater is better...

About the topic at hand it's Plushenko's right to decide if he want to compete again, but honestly IMO even if he does we will mostly see him do 1 or 2 international competition for year, plus russian nationals... and I would really be surprised to see him at worlds again...

Also I really hope that if another major accident happens he will finally give up on his competitive days, instead of further risking to aggravate his health...

 

[Blades of Passion]

Your eyes saw what they wanted to see. You were baying for Plushenko's blood long before he even attended Russian Nationals. You viewed him as the most evil villain in all of skatedom.

No I didn't. Don't put words in my mouth. I was advocating for Plushenko to go to the Olympics, despite finishing lower at Nationals, because he was the most consistent. You have no clue what you're talking about. The only thing that matters is the truth. I think you're blinded to it. You won't even consider for a second, the possibility that Plushenko faked something.

It's not even necessarily a bad thing that he faked it, if he did. He wasn't specifically hurting anyone by doing so. It was a business decision. Better to bask in the glory of his successful team event achievement than disappoint people.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Blades of PassionIn 2005 WCH Moscow.

Do you know that is not joke???

What's a joke is that he still had the highest PCS marks of that SP, in spite of a fall, and getting thoroughly outskated by Lambiel/Buttle/Joubert. I will say though that the FS was a hot mess and if anyone could have skated clean it would have been Plushenko. If he were faking an injury in 2005 (or 2014 Olympics, for that matter), I'm sure he's kicking himself at what could have been a golden (or bronze, for that matter) opportunity.

But more to the point, I wonder what his PCS scores will be like? His programs appear to be a bit better than Sochi (not that those set the bar high by any stretch), but the judges clearly don't give him the favourable marks that he's used to if he skates clean (well, other than in Russia, of course).

It is laudable and remarkable that he's still able to do 4T and 3A with all his injuries and surgeries at his age.

 

[Blades of Passion]

Worlds 2005, forever the worst Worlds of all times in 3/4 disciplines.

Speaking of which, more than anything else, the only thing that really annoys me about Plushenko is he hasn't competed at Worlds since 2004. It's crazy to think that someone who has remained in the spotlight of competitive skating for over 11 years now since 2004 has not competed at Worlds a single time since then!

He pretty much robbed himself of the 2010 Olympic Gold by not competing in 2009. If he skated well in 2009 and lost to quadless Lysacek, there would have been an uproar and the rules would have been changed going into 2010. If he won in 2009, then Lysacek never would have been looked at as someone who would deserve an Olympic Gold.

 

[lyverbird1]

Yes, accusing a skater of lying, cheating and faking an injury and multiple surgeries with no evidence whatsoever to back one's claim, is certainly a bit much.

But perhaps that wasn't what you meant? Personally, just because I didn't like a skater, does not mean that I'd accuse them of being a lying liar who lies. But, as always with these things, YMMV.

You can put your own interpretation on what I've said. It seems to be a common feature of this hysterical thread. We have everyone assuming the moral high ground ("I wouldn't do that" "Fans of X wouldn't do that because they are wonderful" etc etc....) , accusations of lying and then venomous reactions. It's all really rather silly with everyone assuming they are right. There are decent points being made on both sides but it's just turned into a shouting match with nobody listening to anyone else. But go ahead, pick your side and sit in the trench and shout at the opposition. I'm going to check out a couple of threads that are engaging in real debate...

 

[plushyfan]

Slight correction, he was a month older, not that it makes a difference...

Anyway I don't think dissing a great skater like Yagudin will do much to prove your point... it's a bit like the posters that diss Plushenko to prove this or that skater is better...

oh, yes! Yuzuru was born in december Plushenko was born in November..sorry..But he was almost a kid in 2002 and he was KID!!!, when they were in the greatest and most interesting fighting with Yagudin in figure skating history. Some people like to foget it.

And why I mentioned Yagudin??? If you read all comments you know. Blades of Passion said Plushenko didn't go to ECH 2002 because he was affraid of Yagudin. I wrote the real reason, and this video showed their relationship. Yagudin was a great skater but he isn't that nice and honest guy what think the people about him. He liked to tell unreal things to western media about his competitions in Russian Nationals...Why he couldn't ever win.... And Plushenko was a comunist evil in North-american media who was the favorite of the Rus. Federation... The facts are very surprising...

What's a joke is that he still had the highest PCS marks of that SP, in spite of a fall, and getting thoroughly outskated by Lambiel/Buttle/Joubert. I will say though that the FS was a hot mess and if anyone could have skated clean it would have been Plushenko. If he were faking an injury in 2005 (or 2014 Olympics, for that matter), I'm sure he's kicking himself at what could have been a golden (or bronze, for that matter) opportunity

Have you seen the pics about his spine????? About the broken bolt??? Can you imagine the broken bolt in the spin??? But otherwise you are right. He told in an interview when he fell in 3A he had an icredible great pain. He wanted to ask a painkiller injection but he was the first skater in the group, he had no time. He couldn't handle the big pain, he couldn't move with it..... This is his luck, if he had time he skates. And the broken bolt could go to spinal cord... Maybe you would be happy with it...

This is a part from Plushenko biography. There is no official translating this is a fan's work:

In 2005, one year before the Olympics, I won the Russian and European championships, all was going on perfectly.
Still at the European championships I felt a strong pain in the groin. I thought I had pulled a muscle. I did not pay attention thinking it would pass as always.

After the exhibition I went home. The pain became stronger, I stopped training. I went to see doctors, but they did not say anything of a consequence. They supposed it was either a pull or micro rhexis of the tendon. Nobody could put one diagnosis. They started sticking me with injections, because of the pain, which grew and became unbearable.
There remained two weeks till the World Championships.
It was in Moscow. We with Mishin realized that we had to go and skate. I was already a three times champion and I had to rise on the first step of the podium for a fourth time. Moreover the competition was in Russia, the champion had to be a Russian one.
They gave me injections before every training. But the pain was still there. I could not train normally. I went out on the ice and could jump only doubles, I could not do triples any more. And you cannot jump only doubles at a world championships.

p.108

It was one week till the beginning of the championships.
We had to take a decision whether to go or not. We were at the crossroads. On one side the Worlds was taking place in Russia for the first time, on another side – the pain was enormous; without the injection I could not walk, not to speak about jumping.
Then Mishin suggested:
- Let’s go to Moscow, we shall explain the situation. We shall say you cannot jump and you will not take part in the competition.
And we decided to go.

One day before the competition begins.
I went to train. The pain was less. I started jumping. All seemed normal. I could do the triples. I could do the three and a half. The quadruples I did not even try. It was not possible – the left crucial leg hurts like hell.
We went to a Moscow hospital. They said the same – a pull or micro rhexis. And we decided that I should skate.
At the evening I rang up mom:
- Mom, we have decided that I should skate.
- Skate? How? You haven’t skated at all, - mom was shocked.
- I have to. I will try. They give me anaesthetics.

World championships. First day.
I go to skate the qualification. I do the necessary figures and the jumps.
There is one minute left from my program and suddenly I feel that I cannot even breathe. I could neither breathe in or breathe out – this was a fit of intercostals neuralgia. And it was so strong that I had forgotten the pain in the groin. One instance more and I would lose conscience.

p.109

I cannot take a breath and I have to skate more – to do the rotation, then the step sequence and a rotation again. I did all.

I go to sit on the bench and I writhe up with pain. Mishin notices that I am nearly dead and says:
- Zhanya, is it normal? Do not show anybody that you feel bad.
And I sat as if nothing has happened and even tried to smile as far as I can remember. But it was awful.

World Championships, second day.
I wake up and I realize I cannot walk. My left leg is very heavy, as if it is not mine. But we with Alexey Nikolaevich take a final decision that I should skate.
It was the day of the short program. I was given some strong anaesthetics.
Warm-up. Usually when I go out and look at the audience I can clearly see the faces. I see the clothes of the people, the expression of their faces, I even look them into the eyes. This time I could not see anybody – only silhouettes, everything blurred in front of my eyes from the pain.
The warm up was almost normal. It is true, the quadruple I did not even try. We decide again – I shall skate the short.
I go to perform and fall down on the quadruple. The pain in the groin comes again and stronger than before. No anaesthetics can stop it any more.
But I skate till the end. And I become the third. I still had the chance to become a champion of the world for 2005. For this, I had to skate the same elements which I had shown at the qualification.

p.110

World championships. Third day.
This was the day of the free program. I woke up in the morning and realized I could not get up. Every movement was a torture. The pain was beating all over my body.
I rang mom up:
- Mom, I cannot walk, sit or lie down. And today is the free program.
- Zhenya, don’t dare to skate! – Mom understood immediately that I was not simply feeling bad, I was on the verge between life and death. – You have already won three championships! I know you have to fight for Russia, but if you can’t you have to refuse and go away from the competition. Take care of your health, the next year is very important for us.
Then mom rang Mishin up:
- Alexey Nikolaevich, I don’t know your opinion, but I forbid him to skate.
In spite of all, we hoped till the last minute that the pain would stop. We waited for a miracle to happen. I did not allow any injections any more, I had had enough.
No miracle happened though.
I wrote down an explanation that I would not participate.
The World championships in 2005 in Moscow was won by the Swiss Stephane Lambiel.
And we with Mishin returned to Petersburg.
Nothing helped against the pain. Then the journalists attacked me. They wrote down that I went away from the competition out of fear. It was insulting, I was never afraid of anybody.
The response of the Federation I did not like too. As if they stopped believing in me. There started rumours that I skated badly, that I had no pain at all, I am simply not in a good shape. That I was not the same any more…



p.111

The pain could not be stopped with anything.
Then suddenly there came an advice from my friend and a famous football player Sasha Kerzhakov:
- Zhenya, in our club we have a very good doctor. Come here, he will see you.
I went together with mom and Alexey Nikolaevich.
The doctor examined me and said:
- It seems you have a hernia.
- What for a hernia! – Mishin could not believe.
- I will ring up in Germany. There is a very good doctor there, I will arrange things and they will see you there. If the doctor says that you need an operation, do not hesitate to do it. Doctor Muschaweck is a marvelous sport specialist.

We went to München. We were met and taken to the hospital.
There came in the room several doctors and among them a middle-aged woman. It appeared she was the legendary doctor, who had cured and brought round so many sportsmen. I was stunned. Later I was told that Frau Muschaweck not only made fantastical operations and was a marvelous diagnostician, but she was a sportsman too – every morning she was running six kilometers to work.
Doctor Muschawek examined me and immediately put a diagnosis:
- You have two groin hernias as big as a common walnut. How did you possibly skate? You need an urgent operation. All will be normal, you will be able to skate again and win the Olympics.
I was much afraid. At the evening we discussed it with mom.
- Mom, do I have to do this?
- Don’t be afraid. If doctor Muschaweck says so, it is true, you have to trust her.

p.112

On the next day they made the first operation. One day later they made one more. The hernias were cut away and photographed. Mom still has the photos.
Doctor Muschaweck recommended :
- One hour after the operation you have to stand up and start walking slowly. After one week you should start running.
She had her own method – not to lie down at any case. The muscles had to become stronger, not to go slack.
- Zhenya, you will win the Olympics, - smiled she, - I believe in you.
- I will do my best.- I believed in that too.

Naturally, after the operation skating was out of the question. I had to recover.

Worlds 2005, forever the worst Worlds of all times in 3/4 disciplines.

Speaking of which, more than anything else, the only thing that really annoys me about Plushenko is he hasn't competed at Worlds since 2004. It's crazy to think that someone who has remained in the spotlight of competitive skating for over 11 years now since 2004 has not competed at Worlds a single time since then!

He pretty much robbed himself of the 2010 Olympic Gold by not competing in 2009. If he skated well in 2009 and lost to quadless Lysacek, there would have been an uproar and the rules would have been changed going into 2010. If he won in 2009, then Lysacek never would have been looked at as someone who would deserve an Olympic Gold.

Ok. But if you said hard things about someone, for example that he was lying, should know the facts.

He didn't compete in 2009 because he started te preparation in spring 2009. He was fat, then he was the fattest in the life. He needed to lose more than 10 kg.( I don't know how many pounds, but many).

 

[Interspectator]

If he said he was injured then I'll believe him until there is definite proof otherwise, but that's all completely off-topic.
Will Plushenko compete AT ALL this year? I don't know how he'll get in the practice time for 2 programs with all the shows he has lined up.
If he comes to competition with a half-baked program, even if he skates it clean, won't it be a disappointment to fans and to himself?

I'm neutral towards Plushenko the competitive skater so I don't mind one way or another what he decides. I just hope he lives up to the drama that he likes to generate, whether intentional or unintentional. And that if he knows he can't compete this year, he says so as soon as possible instead of leaving uncertainty in the air.

 

[Jaana]

As far as I remember Plushenko himself announced already before the Olympics that he will compete at the team event and somebody else at the individual one. He sort of let the cat out of the bag, because after that it became clear that the same skater has to compete in both events. If he had kept his mouth shut and "had an injury" between the team event and individual sp, my guess is that he could have been replaced, perhaps?

 

[Blades of Passion]

Ok. But if you said hard things about someone, for example that he was lying, should know the facts.

I never said he was lying about 2005 (2014 is a whole different story), I just said that it's intriguing how he always withdraws from competitions that it looks like he won't win.

As far as I remember Plushenko himself announced already before the Olympics that he will compete at the team event and somebody else at the individual one. He sort of let the cat out of the bag, because after that it became clear that the same skater has to compete in both events. If he had kept his mouth shut and "had an injury" between the team event and individual sp, my guess is that he could have been replaced, perhaps?

Yes, exactly. He never wanted to compete in the individual event, but he blabbed about the plan to get around the rules. If he would have faked/exaggerated the injury right after the team event, after having blabbed the plan, everyone would have been like "oh no you don't, that's not fair." But withdrawing in the warmup after faking pain in front of everyone? Nobody could officially blame him for that.

 

[plushyfan]

I never said he was lying about 2005 (2014 is a whole different story), I just said that it's intriguing how he always withdraws from competitions that it looks like he won't win.

hmm ... this is a malicious generalization... he was on the second place after SP in ECH 2012. He was injured, of course, but he could handle it, and he won. He had an incredible long career, he WD because of injury 3 times. Do you think that is much? I checked it Savchenko-Solkowy had 3 WD, too. Probably he was too unbeatable, so when he WD the haters like to start gossips about his WD, but as I said I don't remember when he wasn't on the first place when he competed continously. So isn't hard to believe when he didn't fight for the first place he was injured.

yes, exactly. He never wanted to compete in the individual event, but he blabbed about the plan to get around the rules. If he would have faked/exaggerated the injury right after the team event, after having blabbed the plan, everyone would have been like "oh no you don't, that's not fair." But withdrawing in the warmup after faking pain in front of everyone? Nobody could officially blame him for that.

Nobody could officially blame him for that. LOL! Why??? This is a weird logic.. He received many attacks because of it...

OMG! I can't believe it!!! This is so sad. Or ridiculous. The haters remaine haters....

No matter! Go Plushy!!!! Your huuuuuuuge fan camp will support you forever!!!

After a conversation like this I want him to compete. And maybe this is the reason why he wants to compete??????

https://instagram.com/p/43dZwwGy4v/ he is a happy person..I like this..

 

[karne]

As far as I remember Plushenko himself announced already before the Olympics that he will compete at the team event and somebody else at the individual one. He sort of let the cat out of the bag, because after that it became clear that the same skater has to compete in both events. If he had kept his mouth shut and "had an injury" between the team event and individual sp, my guess is that he could have been replaced, perhaps?

Incorrect. He was asked, after Russian Nationals, by a journalist, "If you could choose, which event would you do?". So he gave his answer - that he would choose the team event. Of course, the part everyone latched onto was his answer, and not the question. A nice little set-up, don't you think?

 

[plushyfan]

Incorrect. He was asked, after Russian Nationals, by a journalist, "If you could choose, which event would you do?". So he gave his answer - that he would choose the team event. Of course, the part everyone latched onto was his answer, and not the question. A nice little set-up, don't you think?

:thumbsup: True! But this version isn't good for the haters.