And Lazukin has a stable quad. Oh wait.
Alexander Petrov
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Well, Mishin knows the situation better than we do. Lazukin has done a quad several times. And he is 1,5 year older than Sasha.
Actually the logic is very simple. I think they are just afraid to get a similar situation to Pitkeev.
Yes, he has attempted a quad a few times but only landed it once. His 3A is also not stable. So what is left is just "older".
Afraid to get a similar situation to Pitkeev? So let's promote 2 weaker juniors and hold the stronger one back? Yes, that's logical.
What I do suspect this is about is securing those JGPF spots. Probably the same reason why Sima is held back too.
Perhaps the 9th place at Nationals cost Sasha a spot on the senior team. But the situation with Kurbanov and Lazukin still baffles me. If it's because of difficult jumps, then neither of the two has a half-decent quad (and Kurbanov has no 3A). By competition results, Sasha has signifcantly better results both domestically and internationally even with nagging health problems in the second half of last season. The comparison of scoring potential isn't in favor of the two older juniors, either. Sorry I don't understand RusFed's logic.
And a similar situation to Pitkeev's is nothing to be afraid of. Not so brilliant, but by moving to seniors, Adyan lost nothing but perhaps a non-gold JGPF medal which will be irrelevant in the long term anyway. Would he have earned a medal at nationals and a ticket to Euros had he stayed junior?
BTW, every year RusFed would publish detailed information of national team members (senior team and junior teams for different age groups), including each member's competition results that meet the criteria for selection as well as other special reasons for inclusion (eg. "by recommendation of the Coaches' Committee"). We'll find out more there.
And a similar situation to Pitkeev's is nothing to be afraid of. Not so brilliant, but by moving to seniors, Adyan lost nothing but perhaps a non-gold JGPF medal which will be irrelevant in the long term anyway. Would he have earned a medal at nationals and a ticket to Euros had he stayed junior?
BTW, every year RusFed would publish detailed information of national team members (senior team and junior teams for different age groups), including each member's competition results that meet the criteria for selection as well as other special reasons for inclusion (eg. "by recommendation of the Coaches' Committee"). We'll find out more there.
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Actually, I don't follow juniors, but... didn't Seguin/Bilodeau skate at both junior and senior Worlds'? Which would mean that, theoretically, one can do both? (Unlikely to happen with Russian men, but anyway.)
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LRK's point is valid for singles as well.
Nam Nguyen competed at both Junior Worlds and (Senior) Worlds in 2014.
(I think the lack of restriction is the same for all four disciplines?)
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Nothing against Sasha, but I can't see him making the senior worlds team this season when there are only 2 spots and 4-5 capable seniors already. I am not surprised at all by the RusFed's decision, not because I don't think Petrov can hold his own in seniors, but because I know how they operate. And compared to some of the stuff they've done to my other favorite skaters...this is nothing. Sasha will be fine.
So what does team selection affect then? Funding?! If so, that actually seems worse to me. I don't personally have a huge problem with Sasha staying junior (as I've stated before, Sasha can win JGPs/JGPF, which could be seen as valuable for the Russian Fed; they couldn't care less what Lazukin and Kurbanov do). However, if Lazukin and Kurbanov receive more funding, that just seems like total BS.Yeah, funding. Well, the Russian Fed is full of BS, no doubt about that.
Yes, the Federation's decision seems even more absurd if we look at it this way.
So there's still no words from Papa Mishin about their plan for Sasha's next season (or about his new programs). Eagerly waiting...
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I have updated Sasha's OP- and was able to find a lot of great videos. I hope you enjoy them some time this summer!.
hwell:Thank you!
Could you also please add the following videos to the OP?
2009-10
2010 March Zhuk Memorial Russian Cup FS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eExiRoEKq3U
2010-11
2011 March Zhuk Memorial Russian Cup FS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A1oNsJA89Q
2011 April St Petersburg Cup Final FS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpcEiEEE8Mc
2011-12
2011 November NRW Trophy SP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFSnGjkShOU
2011 November NRW Trophy FS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oi1qauOgmM
2012-13
2012 Russian Cup Fourth Stage Kazan November FS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql_bM9qfOLY
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Done, and thank you!
I found an additional 2008 performance from February.
Feb 10, 2008, Silver 1998, RUS, Saint Petersburg, Akademija, Vilnius Winter Cup 2008, 4 place
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_acXyW1AOWg
I found an additional 2008 performance from February.
Feb 10, 2008, Silver 1998, RUS, Saint Petersburg, Akademija, Vilnius Winter Cup 2008, 4 place
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_acXyW1AOWg
Wonderful, thanks!
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And I had never seen this program before to Bumblebee Boogie
International figure skating school of Alexei Mishin.Summer Camp.Estonia.Tartu.2009, June 26
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-sxO5ooFSQ
The same youtube channel has this version of his Summer SP
International figure skating school of Alexei Mishin.Estonia.Tartu.2010.July 16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdcVopktYnY
and
Another version of Summer SP
International figure skating school of Alexei Mishin.Estonia.Tartu.2011.July 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cphr6m3k9_o
International figure skating school of Alexei Mishin.Summer Camp.Estonia.Tartu.2009, June 26
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-sxO5ooFSQ
The same youtube channel has this version of his Summer SP
International figure skating school of Alexei Mishin.Estonia.Tartu.2010.July 16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdcVopktYnY
and
Another version of Summer SP
International figure skating school of Alexei Mishin.Estonia.Tartu.2011.July 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cphr6m3k9_o
Ultimately I think it's better to keep Sasha in juniors for at least one more season. Look at what happened with Adian this season. He wasn't ready for seniors and it all was very underwhelming. This way Sasha can spend the season working on a quad (which he needs in seniors) and continue to develop the rest of his skills even further without having to deal with the pressure of being on the Senior Circuit. He has a really good shot at winning junior worlds and that can help boost his stock once he gets to seniors. I'd rather he take his time to develop and not rush into things considering the state of Russia's men. Besides I'm sure Mishin wouldn't keep him in juniors if he didn't think it was best.
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