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Alexander Petrov

So far I have seen 2 serious quad attempts in the last 2 months. In an actual publicly displayed program, not in a practice session. That's probably 2 more than he's ever shown anyone who doesn't train with him. Both attempts were not clean but it was just as Mishin said, "on its way" or if you prefer the translation on FSU, "getting nearer". Nearer to what you might ask? Well, nearer to being landed cleanly.

Do I think it's pretty solid in training? That's difficult to say. Maybe, maybe not. But I will go one step further than what Mishin said. I actually think Sasha has the unique ability to perform better in competition than he does in training. That's not to mean that he always does that but that he's done that before on more than one occasion last season.

I am not worried for Nebelhorn at all. I'm only worried about accumulated fatigue. That is a big concern. He needs to peak in 2017, not in the fall of 2016. I do not like the idea of competing in Nice less than 10 days before your GP season opener. It makes no sense. To get to Canada they will almost have to spend a full day of traveling. There will be some jet lag and other kinds of physical drain which may not show up immediately but come winter time...

Anyway, Mishin has made up his mind, nothing can be done about this. Just have to hope for the best.
 
adelia said:
Mishin's short statement about Sasha in bold. My comments/thoughts

"As for Sasha, he is still affected by some shortcomings in preparation - a lack of base, which should have been laid in childhood.
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Wow. I didn't know about that. :(

adelia said:
We have many athletes who kind of and are able to show a lot but for different reasons are not able to show it at the right moment. Sasha always produces the maximum that he is capable of.
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This. That what amaze me in Sasha. (Besides solid, bold and textbook 3A of course) I only hope that Sasha's quad jump being more stable and he can be capable of doing 3A-3T, and not 3A-2T. But I see the progress. Skate Canada is gonna be awesome. And I already miss of his FS last year. So good step sequence. Mesmerizing.
 
He is more than capable of doing a 3A-3T, that goes without saying. The reason he does not have it in his FS is because they are trying to avoid zayaking. Last season's FS already had a solo 3T (to practice for a quad) and both 3A and 3Lz were already repeated.
This season he has an opening 4T and then a 3Lz-3T in second half for more points. If the 4T is tripled, then he won't execute any other 3T whether in combo or not.
By pushing 3Lz-3T into second half with 3A-2T in first half, he will get more points than if he does 3A-3T in first half and 3Lz-2T in second half. This layout minimizes risk of zayaking but maximizes points and maximizes chances of clean skating.
 
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adelia said:
He is more than capable of doing a 3A-3T, that goes without saying. The reason he does not have it in his FS is because they are trying to avoid zayaking. Last season's FS already had a solo 3T (to practice for a quad) and both 3A and 3Lz were already repeated.
This season he has an opening 4T and then a 3Lz-3T in second half for more points. If the 4T is tripled, then he won't execute any other 3T whether in combo or not.
By pushing 3Lz-3T into second half with 3A-2T in first half, he will get more points than if he does 3A-3T in first half and 3Lz-2T in second half. This layout minimizes risk of zayaking but maximizes points and maximizes chances of clean skating.
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Yes, I know about 3T in the second half for practice a quad. :) But I mentioned it because I dont remember when Sasha did 3Lz-3T in his FS. At Skate Canada, Rus Nats, Europe Champ - he did only 3A-2T and 3Lz-2T (with arm over his head). So second 3T is not used.
 
puremagic said:
Yes, I know about 3T in the second half for practice a quad. :) But I mentioned it because I dont remember when Sasha did 3Lz-3T in his FS. At Skate Canada, Rus Nats, Europe Champ - he did only 3A-2T and 3Lz-2T (with arm over his head). So second 3T is not used.
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Of course there is no second 3T, that would invalidate the 3T and he would get no points from that 3T. I don't think you get it.
 
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adelia said:
Of course there is no second 3T, that would invalidate the 3T and he would get no points from that 3T. I don't think you get it.
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I know about that. Nope. You don't get it. :) I am no talking about two single 3T jumps. How are you reading? Through the wall? You said:
By pushing 3Lz-3T into second half with 3A-2T in first half, he will get more points than if he does 3A-3T in first half and 3Lz-2T in second half.
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In free skate programs Sasha didn't jump 3Lz-3T or 3A-3T. He did only 3A-2T and 3Lz-2T. You can jump 3Lz-3T (or 3A-3T) and single one 3T absolutely calm. Why he doesn't? Or rules changed and I'm wrong? :scratch2:
 
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puremagic said:
I know about that. Nope. You don't get it. :) I am no talking about two single 3T jumps. How are you reading? Through the wall? You said:

In free skate programs Sasha didn't jump 3Lz-3T or 3A-3T. He did only 3A-2T and 3Lz-2T. You can jump 3Lz-3T (or 3A-3T) and single one 3T absolutely calm. Why he doesn't? Or rules changed and I'm wrong? :scratch2:
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I was not reading "through the wall" or whatever that is.
No you cannot do a 3Lz-3T or a 3A-3T combination in a FS if you already repeat 3A and 3Lz and have a solo 3T. He would zayak, as I said before. ISU rules dictate that only 2 types of triples or quads can be executed twice and one of each type must be done in combination if they are repeated. With two 3As, two 3Lzs and one 3T, he cannot include another 3T in combination. And no rules have not changed, you're just not aware of what the rules are.

As for " pushing 3Lz-3T into second half with 3A-2T in first half", I'm referring to this season's layout. The full quote is:
This season he has an opening 4T and then a 3Lz-3T in second half for more points. If the 4T is tripled, then he won't execute any other 3T whether in combo or not.
By pushing 3Lz-3T into second half with 3A-2T in first half, he will get more points than if he does 3A-3T in first half and 3Lz-2T in second half. This layout minimizes risk of zayaking but maximizes points and maximizes chances of clean skating.
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adelia said:
I was not reading "through the wall" or whatever that is.
No you cannot do a 3Lz-3T or a 3A-3T combination in a FS if you already repeat 3A and 3Lz and have a solo 3T. He would zayak, as I said before. ISU rules dictate that only 2 types of triples or quads can be executed twice and one of each type must be done in combination if they are repeated. With two 3As, two 3Lzs and one 3T, he cannot include another 3T in combination.
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Thats what I wanna hear. Thanks, adelia.
And no rules have not changed, you're just not aware of what the rules are.
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Well, as always. :sad4:
 
Nebelhorn Trophy detailed schedule has been released.

21 Sept 12pm Mens practice (practice rink)
21 Sept 2.30pm Mens draw
21 Sept 3.30pm Mens practice (main rink)

22 Sept 11.05am Mens SP practice (main rink)
22 Sept 7.15pm Mens SP

23 Sept 12.35pm Mens FS practice (practice rink)
23 Sept 6.30pm Mens FS
23 Sept 9.25pm Mens Victory ceremony

24 Sept 12pm Mens EX practice (practice rink)
24 Sept 8pm EX Gala

The rest is here: http://static.isu.org/media/382451/nebelhorn-trophy-2016_colouredtimeschedule_2016_08_24.pdf
 
Sasha's ISU profile has been updated.

Main coach still remains Tatiana Mishina (very disappointing, and really just plain wrong).
Choreographer listed as Prokofieva (group choreographer), no mention of who did the individual programs.
But they now added in his very first coach (I presume), Svetlana Francuzova. I'm not sure what the point of that is, since that name has never ever been in his profile before.
SP music is listed as "The Dance of Fire", LP music listed as "Frank Sinatra Selection".

Edit:
This is Svetlana Francuzova's (Frantsuzova) profile on fskate: http://www.fskate.ru/skaters/1628.html
She works/worked (no idea whether retired yet or not) at The Academy of Figure Skating I guess, since the club is listed as Olympic School (SPB). Some known names on the list of "former students" but Sasha's name is not on that list. Fskate is not always accurate though, since it's not an official database.
But yeah, she's Gordei Gorshkov's mother.
Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svetlana_Frantsuzova
 
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As far as I can see (literally), the Russian guys were at practice in the main rink in the afternoon. I don't know about the first practice session at noon because there's no webcam for the practice rink. But I think they should have gone for that one too. There's a photo but they appear really tiny in it so I won't bother posting it. Mens practice today was four people per session, grouped according to nationality. I think that will change for tomorrow given that the draw has been made.
 
Practice has ended. Sasha was there. His posture is unmistakable. Of course I have no idea how it went since we can only see tiny photos of the skaters.

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There are actually a couple videos of other skaters' run-throughs shot by someone who attended the mens practice sessions. In one of them you can see both Sasha and Dmitriev (just flashing past the camera). If that person uploads Sasha's run-through I'll post it here.
 
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