Alexandra Trusova switching from Tutberidze to Plushenko

[plushyfan]

So we can't judge Eteri and her team, but we can judge Plushenko and his team?

What exactly will all you doubters do if Sasha T knocks it out of the park next season? Will you apologise for pretty much slandering Plushy, I saw Edwin accuse him of outright bribery at the Novices Ladies Nationals - because apparently that's the only way Sofia Titova could have won? Accusing someone of a crime is a serious matter and not something to be taken lightly.

And if I recall Plushy merely stated that Alina might benefit from having another coach (not even naming himself) at which point Eteri and her team, who may I remind you, are significantly more powerful and important than him in the coaching sphere accused him of all manner of horrible things and basically tried to ruin his career. How do you expect him to react? Just sit there and take it?

I just think it's unfair and wrong to deny the work Plushy does at the Academy. He does more than just lend his name to the place like Yags does to his centre in Belarus, he's trying to build it from the ground up. Instead of being impressed by that though, people seem to want to downplay and belittle it.

I'm starting to wonder why Plushy even bothers, it's not like it's made him popular, I can only assume that he *gasp* is actually very invested in figure skating and *gasp* enjoys learning to be a coach.

So I've also come to realise that no matter what Plushy does a lot of people just want him gone from the figure skating world. He could do everything perfectly, but certain people hate him for whatever reason and if he disappeared into a black hole tomorrow they'd probably have a party.

Yes. Why is it better if anybody only performs on shows and doesn't creat anything? Plushenko and his team created some incredible great shows , at the first time in the figure skating history. So many innovations , visual affects, beautiful and expensive costumes designed by famous designer ( Snow King), scenery and we don't forget he gives work for many Russians and! foreigne skaters from the market! You could see many known skaters they weren't the biggest stars but skate in his shows. Why is it better if anybody just sit inside the finished one or vice versa why is it worse if anybody is building his academy from the zero?

Why is he doing it? He perfectly knows he has haters but he knows he has many fans, too. He wants to satisfy for only himself, for his family and for his fans. He can't live without Fs so that would be better if his haters can accept it.
We his fans know for many years and used to say he is an inwardly free man.

His motto on his whole life, this is his first tatto on his arm :Viam supervadet vadens - "the path will be overcome by the person walking it. https://www.google.com/search?q=plu...sKHcumBUYQ9QEwAnoECAcQCQ#imgrc=1MAA7GPp4QJXxM

https://englishwotd.wordpress.com/2014/02/22/viam-supervadet-vadens/

He lives on that way.

 

[nussnacker]

If there were this many articles in N. American press asking everybody and their uncle what they thought about a skater leaving a coach, I'd be and

Who cares? A skater left a coach, the sun rises in the East, and life goes on.

And all this innuendo about Plushy and Sasha and money. Again, who cares? I'm not in the camp of anyone here, not Sasha, not Plushy, not Eteri, but if Sasha and her family are indeed getting a payday, you go girl

A skating center is not the Armed Services. A skater is not deserting anyone or anything by making a decision to change coaches. Best of luck to all skaters who decide to make a change, and best of luck to all who decide to stay.:yay:

That's russian tabloid media, alright.... they're sucking out as much scandal as possible out of anything.
Any event, any comment, any interview would be tailored to create even more scandal.
I remember last year, they were making scandals out of Alina falling on her practice from a jump... which was 4th in combination of Lz-Lo-Lo-Lo. Headlines were 'Zagitova failed' yada yada. Like if there's a chance of blowing something up, those tabloids would do that.

One on hand I'm happy that figure skating is getting so much coverage in Russia, on the other that's so uhealthy for athletes.

 

[QueenOfTheRoad]

Question: how long Plushenko Academy exists? Was enough time to take a child from scratch and make him a champion?

Second: as his academy is a private school, he has also to win money to at least pay for the costs of the ring. He needs then to take also students who skates just for fun or are not so talented while Eteri can choose the best. This dilute the quality. A class with very good students will deliver other results and will learn more intensive than a class with students of different levels.

I think both Plushenko and the people here have to bring more patience. Plushenko has to involve himself more and keep his team stable to gather enough experience. I don‘t know how much he wants to be a coach for elite and how much he wants to enjoy teaching just for the fun. The last one he does greatly, his small students seems to enjoy a lot to be there. But to coach elite you have to give a lot and invest a lot. Time, energy ans so on. You have to want it badly and keep going and work work work.

I am not sure that Trusova move was very clever. For Medvedeeva was clear that she Had peaked with Eteri and that she needs another thinking to go further. We will see how much Trusova and Plushenko team are ready to invest and to change themselves.

 

[nussnacker]

You know what I'd like to see Eteri and her team walk the walk on this.

If taking students from coaches is the crime they claim it is then I don't want Sambo 70 taking a single student who's had an outside coach before.

And if they don't they can no longer claim they raised a "champion from scratch".

I believe Zhenya Med, Alina, Aliona and Sasha started out with other coaches in their formative years so they're no longer Sambo 70 champions.

By the same token Brian O can't claim Yuna or Yuzu or Javi as his successes.

TAT can't claim any credit for Yags nor can Mishin for Plushy, Liza or Sofia.

See how dumb a statement like that is?

Eteri and her team need to build a bridge and get over themselves. They act like they invented coaching and it's really quite tiring.

I think that depends on your interpretation of what 'raising a champion' means. I think your interpretation is a bit extreme.

What I think it means, is getting a skater that isn't a champion and making them into one.
Mishin has absolutely raised champions, Plushenko, Yagudin, Liza, Sofia were all raised by him. They didn't come to him as successful students, they came to him unknown and unpolished skaters, and he helped them achieve all those titles and made them into champions.
Orser should get a full credit for raising Javi into a champion, Gabrielle (along with Lee), Stephen Gogolev. Yuna and Yuzu are a little different, since they had major wins and medals prior to joining Orser, but he still helped them become even bigger superstars and achieve a legend status.
Eteri also had a lot of students that came not just as averages, but quite oftendidn't even have the skills the average skaters their age would have. A lot of them would lag behind, but Eteri taking them on was a turning point in their careers. This can be said about the majority of her students.

Plushenko has a legend status as a skater, as a coach I think he's still at the beginning of his career.
Raf actually once said that he dislikes when a new coach takes credit when the student joined that coach just 2 years before Olympics. He even compared the athlete to a rocket in the same interview, the coincidence is quite funny. One can definitely argue about how accurate those claims are, but there's a grain of truth in his words. Of course, it depends, and sometimes 2 years with the right approach can change a skater completely.
It will be interesting to see his journey as a coach, that's for sure!

 

[Yuzuruu]

Since I am not interested in fighting with anybody, just dropping here to say Kostornaia joined tutberidze at 14 years old and a friendly reminder that Aleksandra is still 15.

But still some posters blinded by the fake LV and making eteri a saint who never ever had 'older' (meaning not children) students come to her, but if proven wrong then proceeding to explain how it's "different" :noshake:

To sum up - it's ONLY acceptable if skater transfers before achieving success. After that - it's betrayal and shall it happen that Aleksandra wins some big tournaments next season under Plushenko to just connect her achievements to tt and diminish Evgeni's imput. Got it.

 

[flanker]

Since I am not interested in fighting with anybody, just dropping here to say Kostornaia joined tutberidze at 14 years old and a friendly reminder that Aleksandra is still 15.

But still some posters blinded by the fake LV and making eteri a saint who never ever had 'older' (meaning not children) students come to her, but if proven wrong then proceeding to explain how it's "different" :noshake:

To sum up - it's ONLY acceptable if skater transfers before achieving success. After that - it's betrayal and shall it happen that Aleksandra wins some big tournaments next season under Plushenko to just connect her achievements to tt and diminish Evgeni's imput. Got it.

Again, that's complete twisting words. First, at least as for me, I've said "most of the skaters come to her as 9-11" now. But there were many talks about the same topic before and I usually also pointed out that some like Alina or Aliona came later. I just didn't want to repeat what I've said many times before word for word, because I wanted to proceed to the point.

What I'm truly stating is that most of the skaters who came to Eteri come to her as relatively unknown even on their level. Alina was 13 when she came to Eteri and didn't have any significant result even at domestic competitions behind her. Aliona was similar case, though she didn't came to Khrustalnyi at 14 but 13, which doesn't make the difference, the case was her performances lacked stability, her jumping technique was wasn't too good (as was pointed out in other post just yesterday, BTW) etc. She wasn't even considered as a competitor for JGP and wasn't invited to junior test skates in 2017. Only the huge progress she made under Eteri in a very short time provided hes competing at JGP (when the JGP series has already started).

As for adult ladies, so far I know only about Lilbet, who herself decided to ask Eteri for acceptance and according to her own words she had to persuade her for a very long time before Eteri agreed on taking her. That's BTW one of the examples why I think there are different standards that some people apply towards Eteri than to other coaches. Immediately after Lilbet came, people started to talk about her tiny figure etc. I don't remember it would bother anyone when she was with Orser, but when she came to Eteri, suddenly it was a topic because it fitted particular narrative.

Now. I don't consider that it is bad when a skater changes coach or when a coach accepts adult skater. I've never said anything like that. That's normal, that's how the things work in the bussiness. It's the way how it is done what people (incl. me) sometimes object in such cases. And I should say I didn't use the words betrayal and Eteri also didn't use them. I'm not defending Layshev or Zheleznyakov, while some of you people defend Plushenko although he stated words that are complete crap. And again, I'm not saying Sahsa has not the right to change coach, I just say that IMO it's a bad choice and in any way I don't feel that I shouldn't say that. The only risk is that can be wrong, but if people would fear being wrong and therefore would remain silent than any conversation would be worthless.

 

[flanker]

Question: how long Plushenko Academy exists? Was enough time to take a child from scratch and make him a champion?

Second: as his academy is a private school, he has also to win money to at least pay for the costs of the ring. He needs then to take also students who skates just for fun or are not so talented while Eteri can choose the best. This dilute the quality. A class with very good students will deliver other results and will learn more intensive than a class with students of different levels.

I think both Plushenko and the people here have to bring more patience. Plushenko has to involve himself more and keep his team stable to gather enough experience. I don‘t know how much he wants to be a coach for elite and how much he wants to enjoy teaching just for the fun. The last one he does greatly, his small students seems to enjoy a lot to be there. But to coach elite you have to give a lot and invest a lot. Time, energy ans so on. You have to want it badly and keep going and work work work.

I am not sure that Trusova move was very clever. For Medvedeeva was clear that she Had peaked with Eteri and that she needs another thinking to go further. We will see how much Trusova and Plushenko team are ready to invest and to change themselves.

Just to the first question: I agree that Plushenko's academy is still relatively new. But in some of his comments although his school is relatively new he evaluates the work of the other coaches as if he has raised long line of succesful students. Those words about "raising a champion from scratch" were a reaction to his own self-confident words aimed against others, not the trigger that started it.

 

[eterialskater]

You know what I'd like to see Eteri and her team walk the walk on this.

If taking students from coaches is the crime they claim it is then I don't want Sambo 70 taking a single student who's had an outside coach before.

And if they don't they can no longer claim they raised a "champion from scratch".

I believe Zhenya Med, Alina, Aliona and Sasha started out with other coaches in their formative years so they're no longer Sambo 70 champions.

By the same token Brian O can't claim Yuna or Yuzu or Javi as his successes.

TAT can't claim any credit for Yags nor can Mishin for Plushy, Liza or Sofia.

See how dumb a statement like that is?

Eteri and her team need to build a bridge and get over themselves. They act like they invented coaching and it's really quite tiring.

Yuzu, Yuna, Medvedeva and Javi were ready made. Even Tursynbaeva had establish herself before she went to Orser. That's what reaping the rewards of other's hard work looks like. Just as Trusova will be when Plushenko may reap the benefits on the years Eteri invested on her. Give me a break on Eteri had ready made champions when none here could name them before she put their names on the podium and on top of the skating world. The audacity of some people to undermine her achievements and attribute her success to others as if it was just coincindental and some good luck. Yet all these years all they could do is sideeye and badmouth her because they are incapable of even a quarter of her success.

 

[Fried]

Yuzu, Yuna, Medvedeva and Javi were ready made. Even Tursynbaeva had establish herself before she went to Orser. That's what reaping the rewards of other's hard work looks like. Just as Trusova will be when Plushenko may reap the benefits on the years Eteri invested on her. Give me a break on Eteri had ready made champions when none here could name them before she put their names on the podium and on top of the skating world. The audacity of some people to undermine her achievements and attribute her success to others as if it was just coincindental and some good luck. Yet all these years all they could do is sideeye and badmouth her because they are incapable of even a quarter of her success.

And now please put the whole thing back in poem and with a photo. Then it fits.

 

[kolyadafan2002]

Yuzu, Yuna, Medvedeva and Javi were ready made. Even Tursynbaeva had establish herself before she went to Orser. That's what reaping the rewards of other's hard work looks like. Just as Trusova will be when Plushenko may reap the benefits on the years Eteri invested on her. Give me a break on Eteri had ready made champions when none here could name them before she put their names on the podium and on top of the skating world. The audacity of some people to undermine her achievements and attribute her success to others as if it was just coincindental and some good luck. Yet all these years all they could do is sideeye and badmouth her because they are incapable of even a quarter of her success.

though Javi badly needed Orser.
His coach Nikolai Morozov was giving all the attention and work into Florent Amodio, and Javi wasn't improving quickly and needed the consistency.
Orser fixed his mindset, then refined his skating skills.
He was semi ready-made, but had no shot of succeeding (as much as he did) outside Orser. He took a lot of work.

Yuna and Yuzu were different. They could have succeeded (maybe not as much but definitely a lot) with other coaches. Orser got handed pure gold with those two, and didn't have to change a lot to get them world champions.

I agree with your comments. Eteri did the same thing Orser did with Javi.
Plushenko is now trying to do the same thing as Eteri which was the same thing Orser did with Javi.
Will it work? We need to wait and see.

 

[[email protected]]

I just wish success to all of them: Eteri, Plushy, and most of all to Sasha.

 

[Imagine]

Okay, interesting, but why not switch to an actual coach though?

 

[Edwin]

I just wish success to all of them: Eteri, Plushy, and most of all to Sasha.

Aleksandra will need all her mental and emotional strength. And proper PR guidance and advice when facing the media for the first time.

Most agree she needs ‘images’ and ‘components’ since her jumping is well above par.

Aleksandra herself said “those who really love me, will never leave me”

Here comes our chance to put ourselves to the test.

 

[vorravorra]

Okay, interesting, but why not switch to an actual coach though?

Because of Rozanov (whatever you may say about him he is a real coach). I am pretty sure Sasha would not have gone to Plushenko without him. He almost certainly will be the guy doing the actual coaching day to day. And Sasha knows him and has worked with well him. Maybe Volkov (Sasha's old coach) would participate in some way too, although that is not certain because he has his own group.

And also, what coach with a reputation to protect would want to take Sasha? It's not as simple as it seems. She'd been turned down at least once (or even twice) it appears. Buianova isn't interested in girls any more, Mishin has Liza and is too old and tired. How many would want the drama of "stealing" a top skater from Eteri? And one who seems to be on the cusp of puberty? Any problems it brings will be "see, that's because she left Eteri and the new coach has no idea what they are doing". Even Raf supposedly thought it would be too much for him.

 

[Edwin]

Because of Rozanov (whatever you may say about him he is a real coach). I am pretty sure Sasha would not have gone to Plushenko without him. He almost certainly will be the guy doing the actual coaching day to day. And Sasha knows him and has worked with well him. Maybe Volkov (Sasha's old coach) would participate in some way too, although that is not certain because he has his own group.

And also, what coach with a reputation to protect would want to take Sasha? It's not as simple as it seems. She'd been turned down at least once (or even twice) it appears. Buianova isn't interested in girls any more, Mishin has Liza and is too old and tired. How many would want the drama of "stealing" a top skater from Eteri? And one who seems to be on the cusp of puberty? Any problems it brings will be "see, that's because she left Eteri and the new coach has no idea what they are doing". Even Raf supposedly thought it would be too much for him.

I have full faith in Rozanov, both technically and in the capability of working with children and youths.

Wonder about his 'pet project' with Arina Parsenova though, the reason why Mrs. Kostyleva took her very promising Yelena from Rozanov's group in a scandal.

He'll will have to learn to deal with parents the same way #TeamTutberidzeForProgress had, because I think Mrs. Zhilina is to be reckoned with in all things considering Veronika and Alyona's careers and chances. And given Mrs. Parsenova is managing her daughter's IG with over 1300 postings already, she also won't be easy to please over the development and promotion of Arina. Now add Mrs. Kostyleva in the mix, and you have a very explosive recipe ;-)

We'll know once the FFKKR rosters are publicised. It also means, Rozanov is now on Plyushchenko's payroll instead of a public servant.

 

[Alex65]

Because of Rozanov (whatever you may say about him he is a real coach). I am pretty sure Sasha would not have gone to Plushenko without him. He almost certainly will be the guy doing the actual coaching day to day. And Sasha knows him and has worked with well him. Maybe Volkov (Sasha's old coach) would participate in some way too, although that is not certain because he has his own group.

And also, what coach with a reputation to protect would want to take Sasha? It's not as simple as it seems. She'd been turned down at least once (or even twice) it appears. Buianova isn't interested in girls any more, Mishin has Liza and is too old and tired. How many would want the drama of "stealing" a top skater from Eteri? And one who seems to be on the cusp of puberty? Any problems it brings will be "see, that's because she left Eteri and the new coach has no idea what they are doing". Even Raf supposedly thought it would be too much for him.

I think I agree with you. I am very interested in who actually was the coach (or coaches) who rejected Sasha. I hope that we will find out in due time.

 

[Yuna Luna]

I'm glad my love for Anna is confirmed publicly. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

Now seriously, there is no reason for discussion when your comment is utterly negative and trying to put me into a defensive position. I don't need to justify myself.

Your love was publicly known when you insinuated that Anna is somehow a better person because she would of course have done everything the correct way, and that Sasha did something wrong. And if you feel like you do not need to justify yourself on this, then I guess that speaks for itself. :/

In my opinion, it is unfair to make judgements when nobody knows on what terms Sasha and her coaches were when they split. Maybe it was not on amicable terms; then it would be understandable for Sasha to stay quiet and let her parents handle it. That could be the case, hearing the disgusting crap that her dance choreographer Zheleznyakov was spewing about her in his interview, calling her a traitor who ceases to exist, etc. (The same man who is dancing with her in this video).

I don’t know how a member of Sasha’s old team can say such crap and people still will criticise her for not saying goodbye.

 

[roundboypete]

And now please put the whole thing back in poem.

Yuzuru and Yuna,
Javier and Zhen,
Even tiny 'Lizabet
Came to Brian's den.

Lizzie won a sil-ver,
Javi flashed a smile,
Brian showed his skill, ver-
acity and style.

 

[Fried]

Yuzuru and Yuna,
Javier and Zhen,
Even tiny 'Lizabet
Came to Brian's den.

Lizzie won a sil-ver,
Javi flashed a smile,
Brian showed his skill, ver-
acity and style.

Sorry. Too little cryptic for an Eteri disciple.

 

[flanker]

Your love was publicly known when you insinuated that Anna is somehow a better person because she would of course have done everything the correct way, and that Sasha did something wrong. And if you feel like you do not need to justify yourself on this, then I guess that speaks for itself. :/

In my opinion, it is unfair to make judgements when nobody knows on what terms Sasha and her coaches were when they split. Maybe it was not on amicable terms; then it would be understandable for Sasha to stay quiet and let her parents handle it. That could be the case, hearing the disgusting crap that her dance choreographer Zheleznyakov was spewing about her in his interview, calling her a traitor who ceases to exist, etc. (The same man who is dancing with her in this video).

I don’t know how a member of Sasha’s old team can say such crap and people still will criticise her for not saying goodbye.

I don't feel to justify simply because I do not feel guilty just because people, incl. you, project some malicious intention into me.That's a lesson for everyone, never apologize for anything you didn't do.