Alina Zagitova

[lesnar001]

You "were" such a Liza fan? So, you're not anymore? I'm always astounded on how quickly people seem to be able to drop their favourites just because they made a mistake and move to someone else. They're only human. Liza's comment wasn't particularly nice but so what? I've made mistakes, too, in my life, who knows how many. People who seem to judge so quickly must be perfect. I doubt they are, though. Get a grip. You've never been in the spotlight. Or under so much pressure. Or an elite athlete. I don't like Liza's comment either. I also don't agree with her. But she's human, she's honest and says what she wants and I don't have to agree with her. It's not that much of a drama, really. Is this little comment worth so much negative attention? :disapp:

The original poster is allowed to have who they want as favorites for whatever reason they choose.
And I don't think telling them to "get a grip" is called for at all.

What does being an elite athlete in the spotlight have to do with this situation?

This is not the same as the camera catching Nancy Kerrigan saying a couple of rude things following the 1994 Olympics.

Or Ashley Wagner's expression in the Kiss & Cry during the 2014 team event which gained her much noteriety.

She calculated what she wanted to say - and made sure she did it in the "passive agressive" style that is so popular now.

"she's honest and says what she wants" - well she says what she wants - but that does not make her honest by any stretch of the imagination.

Anyway, your are right that it really doesn't matter much, because Alina remains above it all.

 

[leoleo]

throwback to this sweet moment at the olympics https://78.media.tumblr.com/b646150c8db99664c4b25785f1aa6274/tumblr_pdwn5wuSP31thu2vbo2_540.gif :luv17:

 

[Fluture]

It's not even how media and brands treated her which is the most sad. After all, companies don't choose the one who won but the most popular then the one who will sell the best.
It's how she was treated by sport personalities and organizations. Just even the flag barer story...

I know that she wasn't treated like an Olympic Champion and I was angry about this, too but it's different now, isn't it? We all have complained so much already about how unfair it was and rightly so but I just prefer to look at the bright side. And the bright side is our wonderful Alina being so popular in Japan, which is one of the countries that's interested the most in figure skating. Alina is happy and healthy and confident, why do we need to talk about the past time after time?

And about the flag-bearer story: I only heard that if allowed, Alina and Evgenia were asked to carry the Russian flag together. I found it very sweet and a reminder of everything they went through at this Olympics and the path to get there. I didn't see anything wrong with it other than the fact that it didn't happen of course and the Russians were forced to be "OAR" at the closing ceremony again... Or was it something else? Because I really don't remember anything.

 

[Ladogaboy]

Icing on the cake from Liza:

"Above all, I stand for truth, always have, always will".

How ironic is that? The truth is that Alina won, so why does she talk about how Zhenya deserved gold and how there should be more "beautiful" skating and less lutz-rittberger stuff? That's not truth, that's her opinion.

 

[lesnar001]

throwback to this sweet moment at the olympics https://78.media.tumblr.com/b646150c8db99664c4b25785f1aa6274/tumblr_pdwn5wuSP31thu2vbo2_540.gif :luv17:

"Well. Not bad for a first Olympics" ---- understatement of the year.

Alina and the cute little doll that she would still be clutching as she waited for the final results about 30 minutes later.

 

[Fluture]

throwback to this sweet moment at the olympics https://78.media.tumblr.com/b646150c8db99664c4b25785f1aa6274/tumblr_pdwn5wuSP31thu2vbo2_540.gif :luv17:

Oh, so that's what Daniil said, haha! That's hilarious! Honestly, I'm so glad Team Eteri has him, he always seems to be the one to support the girls emotionally. Maybe because he's closer to their age than Eteri or Dudakov. Really nice to see.

The original poster is allowed to have who they want as favorites for whatever reason they choose.
And I don't think telling them to "get a grip" is called for at all.

What does being an elite athlete in the spotlight have to do with this situation?

This is not the same as the camera catching Nancy Kerrigan saying a couple of rude things following the 1994 Olympics.

Or Ashley Wagner's expression in the Kiss & Cry during the 2014 team event which gained her much noteriety.

She calculated what she wanted to say - and made sure she did it in the "passive agressive" style that is so popular now.

"she's honest and says what she wants" - well she says what she wants - but that does not make her honest by any stretch of the imagination.

Anyway, your are right that it really doesn't matter much, because Alina remains above it all.

"and coming in dead last more than 100 lengths behind........ "Liza T". "

And this was called for, was it? It's the same "passive aggressive style that is so popular now" ???

And being an athlete in the spotlight has to do a lot with all this. There truly is no drama like figure skating drama. They are young women who get their every step watched, every word they say and the reactions are sometimes more than baffling. Is this really called for to act like Liza made the worst mistake in the world? I mean, for the hundreth time already, it wasn't a nice comment and I don't agree with it but to act like this is simply... wow.

And I don't know what you think "being honest" means but to me it means to say exactly what you think and not hold back because of what anyone could think of you. This is what Liza did here. It might not have been the right decision judging from the reactions she gets but she didn't care and did it anyway. I found her comment uncalled for but whatever. These reactions just prove once again that next time something like this occurs and everyone gets completely crazy over one tiny little sentence, I'll try and will myself to just put this forum on "ignore" and wait for everyone to calm down so that we can focus on the really important things again. Which are not a girl saying she didn't like the programs of a fellow competitor. Really. So much drama over nothing. :noshake:

 

[lesnar001]

Icing on the cake from Liza:

"Above all, I stand for truth, always have, always will".

How ironic is that? The truth is that Alina won, so why does she talk about how Zhenya deserved gold and how there should be more "beautiful" skating and less lutz-rittberger stuff? That's not truth, that's her opinion.

"Above all, I stand for truthiness, always have, always will". --- fixed it for her, obviously was a google translate problem

 

[Scott512]

Icing on the cake from Liza:

"Above all, I stand for truth, always have, always will".

How ironic is that? The truth is that Alina won, so why does she talk about how Zhenya deserved gold and how there should be more "beautiful" skating and less lutz-rittberger stuff? That's not truth, that's her opinion.

Exactly. Thank you, And almost all of them wanted Zhenya to win but they don't even hide it in front of Alina their teammate. Alena wanted Zhenya to win the gold. Hmmm.

 

[vitamintea]

I think there are a few things at play here. First, Liza is entitled to her opinion and she gave it. She's allowed to think what she wants, say what she wants, and the corollary is that fans are also allowed to respond in the way they want (obviously of course it shouldn't devolve into name calling and threats). In this case, I strongly disagree with the sentiment that she's expressing here because of the additional context and information being conveyed in her interview. She's not just saying that she likes the new judging system. She's saying that the new judging system is better because it promotes a certain kind of skating and insinuating other skaters lack those traits. That's not a fair judgment to make because in order for skaters to WIN, they have to have solid technique AND artistry. Her answer doesn't appreciate that it's not a duality.

Second, I personally don't think it's good sportsmanship for one active athlete to talk about another active athlete, particularly a fellow competitor in such a passive aggressive manner. It's great that she's so "honest" and if she gains more fans, more power to her. But I think it would have been classier to respond, when she was being asked who she was rooting for during the Olympics, to say something to the effect of "I skated against many of these talented skaters and I was rooting for them to do well" or something. No, the answer isn't as exciting and it wouldn't make for as much controversy as it obviously is making now, but that would have been a good way to deflect and put herself above it all.

And last, I definitely was a huge Liza fan before all this and my enthusiasm has dwindled a little bit. Personally, when I'm a fan of an athlete, I want to see them do well and their happiness is something that also makes me happy! No different than rooting for your favorite hometown sports team. I still like Liza, I think she brings something different to women's figure skating and I hope she has a consistent season with no injuries. I'm probably not her #1 fan after this but I still hope she brings her 3A back and develops more as a skater. There's no hate from me at all and I think that's true for most fans. I mean, I think that's why I have been such a fan of Alina since last year and since she won the Olympics, because she never said anything rude about anyone. I don't think I would care so much if she had been rude back to Ashley Wagner.

 

[Fluture]

Alina probably hasn't even read this interview because her preparations are running high for the test skates. She's probably already sleeping to get up tomorrow and be fit and healthy to train so that she can surprise us with all the improvements she's made in her SP and how she's slaying it as Carmen in the FS. And she will go on the ice without caring or knowing that Elizaveta Tuktamysheva made a comment about her. Because she has better things to do. Like, being an Olympic Champion and training like one.:agree:

 

[Finley]

You "were" such a Liza fan? So, you're not anymore? I'm always astounded on how quickly people seem to be able to drop their favourites just because they made a mistake and move to someone else. They're only human. Liza's comment wasn't particularly nice but so what? I've made mistakes, too, in my life, who knows how many. People who seem to judge so quickly must be perfect. I doubt they are, though. Get a grip. You've never been in the spotlight. Or under so much pressure. Or an elite athlete. I don't like Liza's comment either. I also don't agree with her. But she's human, she's honest and says what she wants and I don't have to agree with her. It's not that much of a drama, really. Is this little comment worth so much negative attention? :disapp:

I'm not a fan of anyone taking a public dig at a 16 yr old in order to diminish their accomplishments. Especially given the circumstances of how Alina was treated by the skating elite in her own country after her victory. I didn't like it when Ashley did it and I'm even more disappointed in Liza. It's not a good look for either of them.

I haven't commented about Liza's statement anywhere other than this fan thread and have no plans to do so. Why, exactly, do I need to 'get a grip' any more than anyone else discussing this in this thread?

Liza doesn't give the impression of caring what effect her words might possibly have on Alina. I cant imagine she would care in the least about what I might think.

She's been in the spotlight long enough to know how to conduct an interview. And if she misspoke, (it happens) she is more than capable of clarifying what she meant. Her response to being called out seems to be - I said what I said.

That's fine. Fair enough. But no one is exempt from the consequences of their words and action. One of those consequences is that she might lose some people's good opinions and well wishes. I'm sure she will be just fine without them!

I'm not perfect, I've probably made more mistakes in my life than Ashley and Liza put together. And whether or not I am a fan of either of them, my opinion (good, bad or otherwise) literally has NO EFFECT on them as skaters, or people, or any bearing on their lives whatsoever.

 

[Fluture]

I'm not a fan of anyone taking a public dig at a 16 yr old in order to diminish their accomplishments. Especially given the circumstances of how Alina was treated by the skating elite in her own country after her victory. I didn't like it when Ashley did it and I'm even more disappointed in Liza. It's not a good look for either of them.

I haven't commented about Liza's statement anywhere other than this fan thread and have no plans to do so. Why, exactly, do I need to 'get a grip' any more than anyone else discussing this in this thread?

Liza doesn't give the impression of caring what effect her words might possibly have on Alina. I cant imagine she would care in the least about what I might think.

She's been in the spotlight long enough to know how to conduct an interview. And if she misspoke, (it happens) she is more than capable of clarifying what she meant. Her response to being called out seems to be - I said what I said.

That's fine. Fair enough. But no one is exempt from the consequences of their words and action. One of those consequences is that she might lose some people's good opinions and well wishes. I'm sure she will be just fine without them!

I'm not perfect, I've probably made more mistakes in my life than Ashley and Liza put together. And whether or not I am a fan of either of them, my opinion (good, bad or otherwise) literally has NO EFFECT on them as skaters, or people, or any bearing on their lives whatsoever.

I'm not a fan of anyone talking badly about another person, no matter their age. I'm not a fan of Liza's comment, I don't agree with it and find it pretty uncalled for. Same with Ashley's. And even though I'm Alina's fan, I didn't immediately stop liking Ashley after what she said at the Olympics, even though I found her comment to be rude and unnessecary. Ashley and Liza are those kind of people who say what they think even though it makes them unpopular. I knew this before (about Ashley at least) and I still became their fan despite of their flaws. Everyone has flaws. So, for Ashley and Liza it might be that they... bluntly said, can't shut their mouth or more nicely: Have a tendency to voice their (unpopular) opinion without sugarcoating it. People like this aren't easy to handle and I can see how some would find them to be bad people, rude and whatever more. But what I can't understand is how some can turn off an athlete they liked a lot previously in the matter of a few seconds, in the matter of reading one comment? However, you have every right to do so and I apologize because my comment was uncalled for and rude. It's just that I don't get this and I've seen this a lot on here. "Oh, I liked her so much but after what she did here, I can't support her anymore"? Do you turn away from a friend when you find out something you don't like about them, something bad about their personality you didn't know before? I don't and that's why I can live with comments like these from Liza and Ashley. I mean, there are some things that can't be supported obviously and there have been some cases when I found out terrible things about a person that I turned away from them, too. But being a bit of a sore loser and a bit petty isn't one of them. To me at least, it isn't. It's not nice but it's not like it's the ultimate sin either.

And again, I'm sorry for having been so rude in my original comment.

 

[yume]

And about the flag-bearer story: I only heard that if allowed, Alina and Evgenia were asked to carry the Russian flag together. I found it very sweet and a reminder of everything they went through at this Olympics and the path to get there. I didn't see anything wrong with it other than the fact that it didn't happen of course and the Russians were forced to be "OAR" at the closing ceremony again... Or was it something else? Because I really don't remember anything.

Not only that but i saw pics of Russian athletes parade (or presentation to the crowd, don't know how to call that) after olympics, in which Medvedeva was carrying the Russian flag.

 

[Fluture]

Not only that but i saw pics of Russian athletes parade (or presentation to the crowd, don't know how to call that) after olympics, in which Medvedeva was carrying the Russian flag.

When? During the Olympics? I can't imagine that, they weren't allowed. Afterwards? What's so bad about that? Evgenia is Russian, too and she did earn a OSM for her country. Why shouldn't she carry the Russian flag? Alina was sick after the Olympics, she had the flu so I expect she couldn't come to this event.

 

[Scott512]

I think Alina has been appeared more on japanese tv than in her own country. Its weird that one of their biggest talk show host invited Evgenia and Ekaterina but not their olympic champion.

It is infuriating. The only one of fame who praise Alina was Adelina remember when Ade went up to Alinas dad and hugged him on that tv show where TAT was praising Zhenya and Adelina thought enough to go to daddy Zagitov and give him a hug for Alina one OGM to another. That was so nice as it must have akward for Alinas dad to hear about Zhenya from TAT and others.

 

[yume]

When? During the Olympics? I can't imagine that, they weren't allowed. Afterwards? What's so bad about that? Evgenia is Russian, too and she did earn a OSM for her country. Why shouldn't she carry the Russian flag? Alina was sick after the Olympics, she had the flu so I expect she couldn't come to this event.

I wrote after olympics. And Alina was there too.

 

[Finley]

I'm not a fan of anyone talking badly about another person, no matter their age. I'm not a fan of Liza's comment, I don't agree with it and find it pretty uncalled for. Same with Ashley's. And even though I'm Alina's fan, I didn't immediately stop liking Ashley after what she said at the Olympics, even though I found her comment to be rude and unnessecary. Ashley and Liza are those kind of people who say what they think even though it makes them unpopular. I knew this before (about Ashley at least) and I still became their fan despite of their flaws. Everyone has flaws. So, for Ashley and Liza it might be that they... bluntly said, can't shut their mouth or more nicely: Have a tendency to voice their (unpopular) opinion without sugarcoating it. People like this aren't easy to handle and I can see how some would find them to be bad people, rude and whatever more. But what I can't understand is how some can turn off an athlete they liked a lot previously in the matter of a few seconds, in the matter of reading one comment? However, you have every right to do so and I apologize because my comment was uncalled for and rude. It's just that I don't get this and I've seen this a lot on here. "Oh, I liked her so much but after what she did here, I can't support her anymore"? Do you turn away from a friend when you find out something you don't like about them, something bad about their personality you didn't know before? I don't and that's why I can live with comments like these from Liza and Ashley. I mean, there are some things that can't be supported obviously and there have been some cases when I found out terrible things about a person that I turned away from them, too. But being a bit of a sore loser and a bit petty isn't one of them. To me at least, it isn't. It's not nice but it's not like it's the ultimate sin either.

And again, I'm sorry for having been so rude in my original comment.

It's ok. You are one of my favorite posters here.

I want to clarify what I meant exactly when I said "I was such a fan". I liked Liza very much. Because I liked her I was disappointed she said something disparaging and uncalled for about Alina's skating. I'm also disappointed about the way she is continuing to handle it. Like this would be an ideal time to de-escalate things! Also, turning this into a matter of 'standing for truth' ? Seriously? What is the Russian phrase for - when you are in a hole, stop digging.

But Liza doesn't have to do or say anything for the sake of pleasing me. Nor does she have to live up to my expectations.

And even if I am not as much as a fan or well wisher as I used to be, I would NEVER wish her (or any other skater) anything less than the best season they are capable of having.

I think Liza is lucky to have supportive, caring, respectful fans like you.

I always appreciate your posts in this thread. Even if this is the one time we disagree. :giveup:

 

[Finley]

I wrote after olympics. And Alina was there too.

I remember that. There are pictures. Zhenya, Alina and Eteri and some guy walking in together. Zhenya carrying the flag. I don't know who the guy was but he looked like he was feeling festive.

I remember wondering why Alina wasn't carrying the flag, but after looking at that pic, I kind of thought - never mind.

 

[Fluture]

It is infuriating. The only one of fame who praise Alina was Adelina remember when Ade went up to Alinas dad and hugged him on that tv show where TAT was praising Zhenya and Adelina thought enough to go to daddy Zagitov and give him a hug for Alina one OGM to another. That was so nice as it must have akward for Alinas dad to hear about Zhenya from TAT and others.

Adelina probably knows how it feels like. It wasn't as bad with Alina as it had been with Adelina but still... I think it's really a nice gesture. TAT's comment was awful. And mind you, Adelina too expressed some issues with the current system, I remember an interview where she was in favor of even raising the age limit. But she still praised Alina and said she had a memorable program at the Olympics and deserved her victory. So, you can do both. Really classy of her. She seems to have matured a lot since Sochi.

I wrote after olympics. And Alina was there too.

Well, you only saw photos. No offense but this sounds like a lot of assumptions and speculations. Who knows Alina wasn't carrying the flag, too, at some point? They're both Russian, they both did a lot for their country and they certainly both have every right to carry the flag. The only issue I'd have with this would be: Why on earth wouldn't they prepare two flags for them?

 

[lesnar001]

Seeing some of these posts is bringing back my memories of the Olympics.

I was disappointed that Russia couldn't get their flag back for the closing ceremonies because Alina & Evgenia wouldn't get a chance to carry it into the stadium.

Sorry Russia - but I was rooting for the hockey team to lose the Gold Medal game because I liked the thought of Alina being the only Gold Medal winner from Russia. Kind of like when Peggy Fleming was the only USA Gold Medalist in 1968.

Tara Lipinski summed it up best (and probably explains but does not excuse the sour grapes interviews etc....) about Alina's eventual win

"She has completely changed the narrative" --- I think she said that before Alina actaully won the gold medal, maybe right before the long programs started.

Also reminds me of some of the crappy parts of NBC's coverage.
No interview with Alina after she won.

Camerawork which gave the impression Alina was all by herself - when in fact both Satoko Miyahara and Kaetlyn Osmond were very supportive of her.

When Scott Hamilton was about to "gush" about Alina (as only Scott can) the night after the team competition, what's his name that hosted the show with Scott and Tanith Belbin wanted to talk about Mirai's triple axel. AAAAARGHHH.

Why do I get so worked up about this stuff???? Like someone said earlier, probably doesn't even bother Alina.

Then again, that's why she's an OGM and world class athlete.

And I am not!