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The nerve of that talentless hack Wagner. The most overrated and overscored skater I've had the displeasure of seeing.
Alina Zagitova
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The nerve of that talentless hack Wagner. The most overrated and overscored skater I've had the displeasure of seeing.
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Super hack Christine Brennan was even worse than Wagner saying Alina should have judges take points from her for loading the second half of her program with 7 jumps. LOL! It's in the rules Brennan. Get lost. Her prejudice against the Russian girls is terrible. She though Alina should have been third in the SP last night. smh.
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Finnish commentators(Laura Lepistö specifically) said that she should get bonus PCS for it because it's a creative way to arrange the technical elements and isn't very common and that's one of the things they look for.
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Rudeness aside, I agree.
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I have to say to this with Wagner and these others being mentioned that "loading" the second half of your program with jumps also means that you have to COMPLETE those jumps...on tired legs...after skating half a program. That's why you DO get bonus points for them, especially after a free skate program. Alina achieves that, nearly every time. Wagner probably couldn't achieve that in her dreams, especially at the age she is now. As always, I think it is a bit of jealousy popping up in Wagner (or maybe bitterness for not making these games). She is entitled to her opinion on twitter, but then she should also expect opposing opinions...which it doesn't look like she is comfortable in receiving. She likes to talk; she doesn't like to listen it seems.
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Obsessed with Russia Today calling her #BitterBrennan. Alina's short program is so spectacularly constructed - you can see the transformation from white swan to black, and it's that fiercer character who does the jumps at the end. It'd be one thing if the elements were arranged arbitrarily, but I wouldn't expect someone who thinks Wagner - good as she is/has been - is the *height* of artistry to get it.
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The Finish commentator is correct Alina should get bonus points for her creative ways. It's clearly part of the rules Sol people who complain about it just have an axe to grind with the Russian because it's the Russians who had the greatest Dynasty by far in the modern history of olympic figure skating and the hateful media sees the end of that dynasty, and they seen that for years but it's not quite there yet thanks to the gret Russian girls and the team event.
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yes doing all your jumps in the second half of your program is incredibly impressive which is why the judges appreciate it it's so easy to understand I don't know why knowledgeable people are having difficulty with it unless it's just the hate for Russians and Russian Sport.
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Both of Zagitova's programs are "transformation"-type choreos with a clear shift when the jumps begin. That really is exactly how you are supposed to build the program. Yes, I don't think she is able to deliver the first half of the FS quite as well as she would like(Although her last FS was a significant improvement already), but she's not the only skater with issues delivering choreo perfectly.
Really, her layouts make much more sense with the overall programs than many others, where the jumps really do seem like they just are thrown there. People get so blinded by the backloading they don't realize that it does make sense for the program. She's one of the rare few skaters who backload everything yet somehow every single skater should do 3-4 or 2-5 layouts like every other skater in the world. I just don't get it.
Really, her layouts make much more sense with the overall programs than many others, where the jumps really do seem like they just are thrown there. People get so blinded by the backloading they don't realize that it does make sense for the program. She's one of the rare few skaters who backload everything yet somehow every single skater should do 3-4 or 2-5 layouts like every other skater in the world. I just don't get it.
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I just love the name bitter Brennan because it's so deserved and so true. As an American I think she's in a disgraceful journalist to our country.
On a side-note where is the outrage from other athletes and coaches for The Interruption of Alina's practice to take a drug test in the middle of her practice? I've never seen anything like it.
On a side-note where is the outrage from other athletes and coaches for The Interruption of Alina's practice to take a drug test in the middle of her practice? I've never seen anything like it.
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It's so funny because Brennan then went on Twitter and said she and Joe Inman felt Osmond should have been ahead of Zagitova because her program was more "balanced," yet she did her first two jump passes back to back in the first half. Why is back-loading more egregious than front-loading? After decades of everyone doing their combination exactly 20 seconds into the program, shouldn't we all be relieved to see something a little different?
The criticisms are not warranted. Her jumps come at the end of musical phrases and serve the same function as cadences in music harmony. Each jump is placed like an exclamation point at the end of a musical phrase . The jumps actually stop about one bar before the end of the phrase so that she can put herself upright and go into the new phrase using different movement. Thus, in addition to marking the end of a musical phrase, the jumps let her begin the next phrase more clearly and dramatically. Her jumps clarify musical structure. One purpose of choreo is to enhance the shape of the music, it's not important where in the composition the jump occurs provided it's done with taste. Alina does this magnificently.
Here is an especially dramatic example of ending a phrase with a jump: https://www.youtube.com/v/_2Izul7WDh4?start=232&end=245 Notice how she ends the jump in time to go into the next phrase of music cleanly.
Also, some jumps are in pairs (in one case paired with a spin) and placed so that they observe musical symmetry. It's all very musical and should be rewarded.
Here is an example of jump-spin symmetry. The phrase is first used with the cascade, and then repeated with the spin: https://www.youtube.com/v/_2Izul7WDh4?start=189&end=209
Here is an especially dramatic example of ending a phrase with a jump: https://www.youtube.com/v/_2Izul7WDh4?start=232&end=245 Notice how she ends the jump in time to go into the next phrase of music cleanly.
Also, some jumps are in pairs (in one case paired with a spin) and placed so that they observe musical symmetry. It's all very musical and should be rewarded.
Here is an example of jump-spin symmetry. The phrase is first used with the cascade, and then repeated with the spin: https://www.youtube.com/v/_2Izul7WDh4?start=189&end=209
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All this backloading whining is just a bland try of criticizing her because there's nothing else they can catch on right now. :sarcasm:
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Wow there is a lot of hate for Alina,. Some peoples' comments are absolutely ridiculous in other threads. Alina deserved those PCS. Skating skills still need work but the transitions were amazing and fully extended. Her movements for spot on with the music with a lot of intensity and she showed so much emotion. Just because she's 15 and this is her first season doesn't mean she should get low PCS, that performance was amazing and if you compare it to Lombardia her first comp, it was heads above that. Sure, I think other's PCS, like Satoko and Kaetlyn should be on the same level as hers with an edge in skating skills. But Alina's GOEs are equal to some other skaters while the quality of her elements are much higher. So I think that balances it out and the lead is fair and Alina has improved faster than anyone I've ever seen before. Goodluck in the free skate, the gold is within reach and may both her and Evgenia skate the lights out as they continue to push eachother
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Alina made a BuzzFeed list for extreme facial expressions while skating 
https://www.buzzfeed.com/gabrielsan...figure-skating?utm_term=.niQx9ERM6#.jveMJLn6d
https://www.buzzfeed.com/gabrielsan...figure-skating?utm_term=.niQx9ERM6#.jveMJLn6d
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Just went to the practice session for ladies. Alina looked very strong and cheerful. Ran through only the step sequence and final part of the program but lots of jumping pass practices. You can see from rocker skating all her jumps. She looks solid and ready. I took lots of photos. 
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Zagitova in practice: 3Lz-3Lo-3Lo-3Lo-3Lo 
Zagitova in practice: 3Lz-3Lo-3Lo-3Lo-3Lo
OMG :eeking:
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She was marvelous yesterday! Her improvement in sp consistently is incredible
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Zagitova in practice: 3Lz-3Lo-3Lo-3Lo-3Lo
Do you have a video? I'm actually dead. Between this and Trusova's 2 quads, I think that's too much tech for me to handle these past 2 days...
Too bad you have to have 7 jumping passes and not allowed 5 jump combos, because if you were she can just do this then take a bow end of free skate...
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