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Alina Zagitova

That's great! Looking forward to this meeting and the goodies that we'll receive from it :love: This reminds me of this picture:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bi_rmXFh6D7/?taken-by=teamzagitova

Alina is such a great figure skater ambassador. I am sure that her success has inspired many young girls and boys to pursue a figure skating career. And that is something amazing, something that will last many more years from now on. :luv17:

Agreed. She is so good on and off the ice.
 
Kostornaya said they start the training from 4 of June , also she said that Alina will not jump quads in the next season

Little Alena would never be accepted into the KGB. [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

I never thought Alina needed a Quad or a 3A, after the new rules (that penalize mistakes heavily), I think she’ll need them even less. Her plan to stabilize her jumps and improve skating skills is a winning plan.

At the Russian Ladies thread here at GS they are doing analysis of her layouts and what she could gain or loose. I’m with the peep that posted that she’ll gain under the new system and increase her numbers. She got a high GOE for her skating skills elements at WC2018 (in her FS no less).

She should be super fine with her plan.
 
For the curious and/or number lovers among us.

There is a blog that calculated what new TES (technical element scores) with new GOEs would look like considering several skaters performed layouts. It does not account for any PCS scores, just the technical stuff and grades programs from the past in the new system for comparison.

They re-do several skaters programs, including Alina and Zhenya's (from their FS at the Olympics, their individual FS which in the case of Alina scored 1.44 less then her team event one) and the results are:

- Alina's FS from Olympics scored under current system got a TES of 81.82, same program scored under new system would score a TES of 84.00. Zhenya's also increased from 79.18 to 81.98, the gap between them got reduced under the new system by 0.4 points (was 2.4 and is in the new system is 2.0). That is not a big change, and if Alina's best FS (the team one) was used she would have gained even more points.

So, her strategy to stabilize her jumps and improve skating skills (and PCS along with that) is a very sound one, and a winning one too.

On the same blog post they also take Shoma's WC2018 skate to illustrate how the penalty for errors is changing and how it will affect a "really bad" skate. He would loose 3.3 points in the new system compared to the old one. Falls are now more heavily penalized (under-rotations on the other hand are less penalized now, on a Quad program like Shoma's in the new system can translate to a penalty of -5.25 for that one element alone - the 4Lo where he fell, he got a total of 8.0 for that element at WC2018 and under new rules would get a 5.25).

Here is the link to the complete blog post that has all the tables (that are very nice and show each element) http://the-real-xmonster.tumblr.com/post/174214240154/hey-alice-hope-your-day-is-going-well-if-its
 
I get that she needs to focus on her current jumps for this season, but she’s probably going to need a quad or 3A to remain competitive when the juniors turn senior. I don’t understand why they wouldn’t want to train for this. She can do 5 triple jumps in a row, I imagine she has the strength for a 3A if she trained for it. From what I can see of their program they have the training technique down for preparing girls to do more advanced jumps. I could see Eteri not wanting to risk the health of her top skater but that may be to the detriment of Alina’s career. She could easily be surpassed by all three juniors from her own team by the time she is 17.
 
I get that she needs to focus on her current jumps for this season, but she’s probably going to need a quad or 3A to remain competitive when the juniors turn senior. I don’t understand why they wouldn’t want to train for this. She can do 5 triple jumps in a row, I imagine she has the strength for a 3A if she trained for it. From what I can see of their program they have the training technique down for preparing girls to do more advanced jumps. I could see Eteri not wanting to risk the health of her top skater but that may be to the detriment of Alina’s career. She could easily be surpassed by all three juniors from her own team by the time she is 17.

I'm not a great technical appraiser, to judge future potential from present jumps, but I think that for a 3A you need to have a 2A with lots of strength and distance. Take Mirai's 2A, it is huge and goes long, that said she nearly does a full lap around the rink to set up her 3A. From what I currently see of Alina's 2A, it is nice but not huge, I'd say she has a better chance at getting one of her strong jumps (3F or 3Lo) into a quad than getting a 2A to become a 3A. Her 3Ltz is also a very strong jump but the 4Ltz is the hardest of the quads so that's why I picked the other two.

That said....who is to say she never did a quad in her life. Maybe they do them in practice and since she never did one consistently enough or super big and successful we just have never seen one. They pick very carefully what they let us see in videos from practices, can't say from what we have seen that she never attempted or landed one in her life. But to use it in competition you have to be way more successful and have over 50% chances of landing it regularly. I'd say you need to be 60% or 70% consistent. Maybe she did do them and never got consistent to "lets risk it in competition" levels. The reason I say this is because Zhenya actually mentioned that she did a quad in practice but never well enough, if she did why wouldn't Alina have done it also in the years she's been with Eteri.

My interpretation of Eteri's (and Serguei's and Daniil's) reasoning is the following: why would you risk your current success for your future needs. In the current field, as it sits, she doesn't need a quad, why risk injury and heavily taxing (score wise) inconsistency in something she doesn't need. To try to get better at this she would have to forgo getting better at other things that may make a difference for her right now. If we look at the current tops of the podiums there are people that live so far of from quadland that they wouldn't get there even with a map, and they are placing high and winning some events, those are the people she needs to worry about, her actual competition right now, this is her 2nd senior season.

Consider also this, Alina, as a Junior, competed with 3A people, lost to them (when she had skates with falls) and won from them. One that comes to mind, a beautiful skater, is Rika, she had a 3A to cry for. Alina beat her and lost to her with no 3A, it wasn't that much of a factor. In the Japanese ladies field, Rika is the same age as Alina, just now moving into seniors, and she was not considered to move up as the 3rd Japanese lady (even considering the current top ones don't do 3As).

To your point, the rear view mirror shows the Quadsters approaching, but as Rika's story illustrate, they have to actually get here (and get here with consistency), she is in a better position to access what they'll do and how they'll be than any other skater (she sees them everyday). Her team is too, Eteri mentioned several times in interviews how Alina was better technically than Zhenya, she will tell her when she needs to move up her game (and will access if she can do it, and in case she can't, how can she have a fighting chance with the elements and jumps she has).

It is a developing world for Alina, she is still uncovering her potential and exploring what she can do, I have trust that with the love she has for the sport (and what her success in it helped her achieve) she will move at the speed she needs to remain successful.
 
I get that she needs to focus on her current jumps for this season, but she’s probably going to need a quad or 3A to remain competitive when the juniors turn senior. I don’t understand why they wouldn’t want to train for this. She can do 5 triple jumps in a row, I imagine she has the strength for a 3A if she trained for it. From what I can see of their program they have the training technique down for preparing girls to do more advanced jumps. I could see Eteri not wanting to risk the health of her top skater but that may be to the detriment of Alina’s career. She could easily be surpassed by all three juniors from her own team by the time she is 17.

Yeah, yeah .. I see, now Eteri turn off monster mode - Alina will be in save and absolutely sugar coated in a golden cage and do nothing
 
So many pictures today that it is getting hard to keep track of what has been posted before, so apologies in advance if I'm reposting something that was already signaled by another amazing peep.

A few more pictures of Alina with students and people at her former school in Izhevsk:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BjKcNW1jDDi/ (girl that gave her flowers)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BjKQNRAD-1L/ (little girl and her mom)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BjKmDrwDEm-/ (with teenage girl)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BjLKzldDtE6/?tagged=alinazagitova (with lady outside holding flowers)
 
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