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Alina Zagitova

lusk8 said:
Alina and Daniil would make a great Ice Dance team, maybe she can get him back from retirement.

Hereā€™s Daniil at it back in the day (check out the twizzle sequence, so like the one he did with Alina)

https://youtu.be/-81yn8IN0hM

Side note: their blades are so close together during this routine I got scared just looking at it. I know Ice Dance blades are shorter and all that but still...
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Yeah I notice that too. I hear the interview with expert a few month ago and she said that every year the two ot the pair are closer in the moves. It's a process, it grown with trust etc. But oh boy this two are already pretty close in the "begining". :D
 
flanker said:
Those are the twizzles of best junior dance team of the season. Could be Alina and Daniil worthy adversary? :biggrin:
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Ok I watch the video, and it remind me that there is always THE era. This juniors are good, deffinitelly can skate, but have you ever watch Virtue&Moir or Davis&White in juniors? Those pairs amazed even in much lower age, they clicked, have a connection with each other and audience. They are probably the best era of ice dance all the time. Poor other pair who was amazing, but .. skate in a bad time.

And now there is the best era of female single skating. Yea there was amazing skaters who will stay there forever, and there always was upsets in history. But this Olympics was not an upset, it was start of something huge. Zhenya did outstanding job in free, give everything away and it was that emocional that she cried on the ice. But it was not enough. Alina was better. And a year later, she is better again to prove everyone was wrong about her. And then there are junior girls. It will be thrilling to watch in last couple of years. It's a shame that only 3 of russian girls could go to the Europeans, Worlds, Olympics. And also there are some Japan 3A ladies .. and 3L 3lo starting be common ..whoohoo

And back to Alina and Daniil's twizzles. :laugh: If you think about we saw 3rd and 5th attempt, it's very good. I don't think even pairs who dance together for a long time do it completelly synchronize for the first try. Really don't know how our girl can be that good in everything she does. :yahoo:
 
paji15 said:
Ok I watch the video, and it remind me that there is always THE era. This juniors are good, deffinitelly can skate, but have you ever watch Virtue&Moir or Davis&White in juniors? Those pairs amazed even in much lower age, they clicked, have a connection with each other and audience. They are probably the best era of ice dance all the time. Poor other pair who was amazing, but .. skate in a bad time.
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At those times I didn't watch figure skating, I'm filling the past gradually.

paji15 said:
And now there is the best era of female single skating. Yea there was amazing skaters who will stay there forever, and there always was upsets in history. But this Olympics was not an upset, it was start of something huge. Zhenya did outstanding job in free, give everything away and it was that emocional that she cried on the ice. But it was not enough. Alina was better. And a year later, she is better again to prove everyone was wrong about her. And then there are junior girls. It will be thrilling to watch in last couple of years. It's a shame that only 3 of russian girls could go to the Europeans, Worlds, Olympics. And also there are some Japan 3A ladies .. and 3L 3lo starting be common ..whoohoo
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There are also quad attempts. US Alysa Liu tried 4Lz in competition and korean Young You did 4Lz in training. I'm curious if I would hear that they will lose it before they reach senior level or that this is abusing of children ;) But jokes apart, the rest of the world don't sleep. Maybe we really live in historical moment when all the ladies figure skating is facing new era, and in several years at least one quad will be normal part of the program of any top lady. SOme would probably not like it, as it was probably when ladies started to jump triples or 3-3 combos. But that's the development.

paji15 said:
And back to Alina and Daniil's twizzles. :laugh: If you think about we saw 3rd and 5th attempt, it's very good. I don't think even pairs who dance together for a long time do it completelly synchronize for the first try. Really don't know how our girl can be that good in everything she does. :yahoo:
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Alina is systematic, understands quickly and works hard. That's the secret of her success :agree:
 
flanker said:
There are also quad attempts. US Alysa Liu tried 4Lz in competition and korean Young You did 4Lz in training. I'm curious I I would hear that they will lose it before they reach senior level or that this is abusing of children ;) But jokes apart, the rest of the world don't sleep. Maybe we really live in historical moment when all the ladies figure skating is facing new era, and in several years at least one quad will be normal part of the program of any top lady. SOme would probably not like it, as it was probably when ladies started to jump triples or 3-3 combos. But that's the development.
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Yea I know there are other quads attemps. Some maybe will loose it, but I don't believe that all of them. The fact this girls reach it encourage other's girls that it's possible. They show them the way. Yea it's probably very hard for body, because there are debats about mens quads everytime and some people want to reduce it a lot. (And I don't wanna discusse it, because I don't have any opinion, don't have enough information, only know it's hard and it's amazing int he same time) There deffinitelly will be some rule changes after it happened, like it's not possible to do quad in SP now. But for now it's like it is and that's all whatt metter. And it is not possible to stop development.:)
 
paji15 said:
And now there is the best era of female single skating. Yea there was amazing skaters who will stay there forever, and there always was upsets in history. But this Olympics was not an upset, it was start of something huge.
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Yes! I think moriel posted some stats in the Russian ladies thread about Alina being the first Olympic champion since two-time Olympic champion Katarina Witt :biggrin: to come back and snatch gold at her first return competition. She's still hungry for medals and as long as she is hungry, Alina can do anything.

I ended up watching another documentary about Katarina Witt because no new material is coming out for a few days until SA. After the rules changed, Katarina decided to go to the 1994 Olympics, but she said she knew before time she had no chance of winning, because the girls in the generation after her were too good at jumping. I heard that and thought, wow, one sentence story of ladies figure skating right there. :sad21: It's always THE era. :sad21: Though I have to say that if you're looking for drama in ladies' singles, the 1994 Olympics is THE Olympics for that. :laugh: I really don't want to imagine any future games being that much of a mess.
 
EdRoz said:
Daniil in figure skating since he was four years old.
In 2007 he finished third in the Russian Junior Championship , he was supposed to compete at the Junior World Championships,
but was injured while training. Due to injury at the age of 18, he moved from single skating to ice dance.
For several years, his partner on the ice was Ksenia Korobkova , together they won two international trophies .
At the same time, Daniil's father died, and he began to support the family himself. He ended his career,
began coaching and performing in the show of Ilya Averbukh: first in group , and then with small solo parts.
Since the end of 2014 has become part of the team Eteri Tutberidze
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Thank you for this accurate timelime of Daniil's career. I admire him a lot and it is great to see how he evolved to be the man he is now.
 
zenskate said:
Though I have to say that if you're looking for drama in ladies' singles, the 1994 Olympics is THE Olympics for that. :laugh: I really don't want to imagine any future games being that much of a mess.
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That's not exactly the kind of drama I'm eager to see :biggrin: I even refused to watch that "I, Tonya" movie.
 
Futurology is a complicated game, to accurately tell the future is impossible. You can make predictions but even when they are backed by polls and things like that you can miss the mark. Imagine how much harder it is when you are making predictions on the assumption that what we see now, that we already think is the greatest thing there is, will remain the same. It might, but it just the same might not.

I don't have a deep understanding of figure skating, all I really like is Alina and through watching her I learned to enjoy watching other female skaters, but I only follow her and watch her programs over and over. My interest in the men's field is more widespread and varied so maybe I'm able to be more objective there, I have favorites but the plural here is the norm.

Alina trains possibly 6 days a week, for many hours (let's say from 9am to 7am with breaks here and there, different activities, on ice and off ice time), she does a bunch of things we will never see unless she does them in competition or at an exhibition. Just because we see a lot of the Eteri camp trainings doesn't mean that we see it all. Take this recent video of the twizzles with Daniil, I never thought they did this type of exercise to better skating skills, posture, control, gliding, etc. And a great exercise it is, you can see how committed Alina is to performing the moves, that's her great advantage in figure skating life, she is 100% committed to doing it perfect and doing it right. Now she is probably a coach's dream because she takes instructions and follows them all. She works hard at it and she is talented. Talent that works hard is the winning combination. She cares about how well she does and she is more aware than any other skater in the world about what the next few years of competition will likely bring her way.

She is an incredible dancer, another conclusion from the tons of old and new off ice dancing videos we have of her, she moves fluidly and her feet are perfect. She can move super fast too. To me she is miles above the rest. Figure skating is not just dancing, just as it is not just jumping. She is a great jumper too, more of a developed talent in that department than a natural born jumper but she had the talent to go the distance, and she has the discipline too. Will she do 3A, will she do 4quads? No idea really, she just did a cantilever when before I saw her try and not be even close. That's the meaning of potential vs established reality, she has the infinite potential to do whatever she wishes, if she keeps on working hard and being disciplined.

I'm glad she went through her Junior year without the arms race that is going on right now (and she had 3A Rika there back then too), that allowed her to develop more organically to a style that suits her more, her artistic side had to be worked a lot and it came out in spades. I don't say this to diminish the feats of the current Quad/Axel girls, I think what they do is not trivial nor easy.

But Quads, specially, for me, change the execution of a program in a way that is less pleasing to watch. I'm taking this observation from the Men's Skating events because that's the only other I watch that has Quads in spades. There are men that can't do a reliable quad, not even one, but most of them can wiggle in a 3A or two, if they can't they are not in the groups that I watch. Some of them have great artistry, it is great to watch their quad-less skates. Most men's that do quads use long set-ups to their jumps, and all those "laps around the rink on two feet" kind of take me out of it. That's me, that's my taste. It is super impressive when someone does 4/5 or even 6 of them because I know it's hard but looking at a program with that many of them to me is not as pleasing. And these quads are huuuuuuge, so super pretty in their own right, as stand alone jumps.

I somehow hope that women's skating keeps its flow, some of us miss the spirals and I can see why when I see a beautiful spiral done well, I know winning is a bit of a match between math and your skills to execute the max point moves, but I would like to see the artistry in there too. High in there too. And in an environment where artistry is high up there Alina will always be a top lady, she is still in development in this area but here potential there is simply huge and limitless.

Sorry for this "Gone with the Wind" long post.
 
zenskate said:
Yes! I think moriel posted some stats in the Russian ladies thread about Alina being the first Olympic champion since two-time Olympic champion Katarina Witt :biggrin: to come back and snatch gold at her first return competition. She's still hungry for medals and as long as she is hungry, Alina can do anything.

I ended up watching another documentary about Katarina Witt because no new material is coming out for a few days until SA. After the rules changed, Katarina decided to go to the 1994 Olympics, but she said she knew before time she had no chance of winning, because the girls in the generation after her were too good at jumping. I heard that and thought, wow, one sentence story of ladies figure skating right there. :sad21: It's always THE era. :sad21: Though I have to say that if you're looking for drama in ladies' singles, the 1994 Olympics is THE Olympics for that. :laugh: I really don't want to imagine any future games being that much of a mess.
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Yea Katarina Witt's era was completelly different, but beautiful as hell. I love her Carmen. (But have never yet seen the movie, I know I know, shame on me). It's nice to look to the history of any sport sometime. :)
 
lusk8 said:
The whole post.
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No need to be sorry, Scarlett, Tara knows no hunger anymore :) I understand your feelings completely. What you describe can be shown on e. g. Sasha vs. Alƫna in juniors. Sasha's quads are amazing, but I watch Alƫna's programs much more times, if I compare those two. The same with Alina, of course. It's just the matter of personal taste, not at all anything against Sasha, I like her and wish her all the good.

On the other hand, I understand there need to be shift always in sport. E.g. I much more liked ice hockey as it was played 20 years ago, clever combinations and tactics, today it's about speed and strength. That's the evolution and I can't do anything about it.

In Alina, I think the sakig reached the absolutely optimal ratio between athletic abilities and artistry and the result is just pleasure to watch. I'm afraid that in the future there will be faster shift to technical part of skating. But I don't think the way would be reducing the number of quads or harder combos. That's why sojme countries lost the lead, because they reduced difficulty for the younger girls and in the result they are not able to develop proper skills necessary even for artistic abilities. If that would be possible, I would be glad e.g. for higher evaluation of other elements like stsq or spirals or any other elements, just for making it possible to score higher using different ways. Who is good in jumps, he will choose this way, whose strong part is artistry, he would do it different way. That's by the way why I was against "Zagitova rule", previously it was possible to create a program with some different way, now the number of winning strategies is reduced. If they will folow this way, all skaters will be forced to make programs the same way, both the layout and the tech elements.

Now I don't know if I'm writing about what I originally wanted, so I'm sorry too for this :)
 
For me ,a quad is like a cherry on a cake, something special and exclusive. I do not want everyone to try to do it and the competition would turn into a competition of attempts and not figure skating. Triple jumps are 80% of the maximum for women, quads are already 100% and we know that this is possible, but there will never be stability, they will make attempts, we will watch this lottery and pray so that during this show no one is injured.
But ,if Sasha or Anna will jump quads at 16-18 years old, then I will have to eat licorice candies again, punishing myself :noshake:
 
paji15 said:
Yea Katarina Witt's era was completelly different, but beautiful as hell. I love her Carmen. (But have never yet seen the movie, I know I know, shame on me). It's nice to look to the history of any sport sometime. :)
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1984 , I was then young and in love with Katarina :luv17: ā€œThe Most Beautiful Face of Communismā€, ā€œThe Red Queenā€
 
EdRoz said:
For me ,a quad is like a cherry on a cake, something special and exclusive. I do not want everyone to try to do it and the competition would turn into a competition of attempts and not figure skating. Triple jumps are 80% of the maximum for women, quads are already 100% and we know that this is possible, but there will never be stability, they will make attempts, we will watch this lottery and pray so that during this show no one is injured.
But ,if Sasha or Anna will jump quads at 16-18 years old, then I will have to eat licorice candies again, punishing myself :noshake:
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Sasha's quads've started be very solid. I believe she can do it. Truth is that the next Olympics are in her 17 (almost 18), so this is still a lot of time. But still. But I don't like her style so much. She is amazing jumper, yea. But she really focus only for jumps. I'm not saying she is bad dancer, she is not. But she wanna have everything hard, and she have and she is able to do it right. But with all hard elements she must have place for it and there is not much time to really show something else. I like better Anna's style. Her quad is still weak, as well as Alena's 3A and maybe it will never be as solid as Sasha's, but they are more complex.

That's what I love about Alina. She is very good jumper. I'm sure she is able to learn quads too, if she have a time for it. She could also do that, but because she was older and already senior in Olympic year, they stop with it and focuse more on everything else. That's made her very strong in all aspects. She is spectacular dancer. Hard worker. Competitor. Also very good artist. And since that season she is also able to show more of herself and felt in love with skating even more than before. It's a joy to watch her and I believe they will still treat with her like with Champ and give her good programs enough to compete with this girls. With all difficult entries and skating skills I believe she can keep pace.
 
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