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Alina Zagitova

Off on a tangent, I disagree about some of the scores for combos.
They just seem to add the 2 solo jump values together.
So a 3Lz-3Lo doesn't score much higher than a 3Lz-3T.
And yet, intuitively I know that it is MUCH harder.
Why? .... Because so few skaters attempt it.

But it is what it is.

And further more - just for argument's sake....
If a skater did a 3Lz and then a 3Lo as 2 solo jumps, the score is exactly the same as a 3Lz-3Lo combo.
Yet a 3-3 combo is infinitely more difficult than 2 solo jump passes.

If I am incorrect in the way I have interpreted the scoring of a combo, please let me know.

I believe furthermore, the GOE of the jump is calculated as the GOE of the higher scoring jump, and added on. So a +5 3Lz and a +5 3Lz-3T score the same in raw GOE value :scratch2:. Please correct me if I am wrong.

The advantage to doing 3Lz-3Lo would be the higher BV, and the potential for a better layout. Since you can add the Lo to the Lz, you can add the T to another jump without sacrificing BV.

I don't know what is fair in skating, since no one appears to agree with ISU or with each other :laugh: but everyone was calling the new system the Zagitova Rule when it came out. Then, Alina in her first competition set three new WRs under it :2thumbs: so I was feeling like :rofl2:. 6.0 to IJS was a difficult shift for a great number of coaches and skaters, so for Alina and her team to hit it out of the ballpark immediately was immensely satisfying.
 
the only danger I see in Alina's going to Canada is that she needs to have her documents/visa in order! :)
The rest she can handle!

And I am hoping for a spectacular showdown for Alina and Rika, which will bring great skates for both.

Time difference is very big this time , 11 hours. Alina needs to come earlier to be able to adjust.
I will pray for Alina :pray:
 
I believe furthermore, the GOE of the jump is calculated as the GOE of the higher scoring jump, and added on. So a +5 3Lz and a +5 3Lz-3T score the same in raw GOE value :scratch2:. Please correct me if I am wrong.

The advantage to doing 3Lz-3Lo would be the higher BV, and the potential for a better layout. Since you can add the Lo to the Lz, you can add the T to another jump without sacrificing BV.

I don't know what is fair in skating, since no one appears to agree with ISU or with each other :laugh: but everyone was calling the new system the Zagitova Rule when it came out. Then, Alina in her first competition set three new WRs under it :2thumbs: so I was feeling like :rofl2:. 6.0 to IJS was a difficult shift for a great number of coaches and skaters, so for Alina and her team to hit it out of the ballpark immediately was immensely satisfying.

I just want to add some additional information:

as per Rule 612:
A well balanced Free Skating program for Ladies must contain:
 maximum of 7 jump elements (one of which must be an Axel type jump);
 maximum of 3 spins, one of which must be a spin combination, one a flying spin or a spin with a flying entrance and one a spin with only one position;
 maximum of 1 step sequence.
Individual Jumps:
Individual jumps can contain any number of revolutions.
Jump Combinations and Jump Sequences :
A jump combination may consist of the same or another single, double, triple or quadruple jump. There may be up to three jump combinations or jump sequences in the Free Program. One jump combination could consist of up to three (3) jumps, the other two up to two (2) jumps.

Note: based on that rule they may have 11 jumps total.

Repetitions:
Any double jump (including double Axel) cannot be included more than twice in a Single’s Free Program (as a Solo Jump or a part of a Jump Combination / Sequence).
Of all triple and quadruple jumps only two (2) can be executed twice. Of the two repetitions only one (1) can be a quadruple jump

So, based on that rule skates are trying to execute the most valuable jumps and spins to get more points, of course of the best of their abilities.

https://www.isu.org/inside-single-p...igure-skating-rules/regulations-rules-fs/file
 
This x1000 times!!! Exactly, people are just complaining and complaining about subjective things like music choice, choreo, I don't like how she holds her hand here, I don't like her hair, etc.:handw:

But when we start to analyze every single element: jumps, spins, transitions, step sequence, Alina executes everything perfectly. When we take point by point every component from the PCS score, we'll see Alina's programs are build in such a way that they will meet every single requirement for maximum scores. (how I think we did a couple of weeks ago) And all these things scream one thing: lots of work, lots of dedication, time spent on ice and ambition. It's hard to complain without facts, but Alina will just receive great scores because well...she deserves them. :thumbsup:


I Love, Love, Love Alina's POTO since beginning. People did not like music choice, but I Loved it. I saw in my mind how it will look and sound when it will be ready for competition.
and now we see that it is just perfect! :luv17::luv17::clap::clap:
 
Alina is playing her own game of "Risk" (that's a board game for those unfamiliar with its USA name), while taking lots of actual risks with one of the harder program layouts of the season. I'd say factoring in her spins, choreo and step sequence, it is the harder layout, no one does that level of difficulty combining jumps and the rest. There are harder to execute jump layouts this season but there is no combo of harder jumps + harder non jumps elements.

3As are worth a lot to a skater because they basically take up the place of the 2A that everyone else has to do after they max out their allowed triples between combos, sequences and singles. In the Figure Skating podium fight, you fight with what you have, and kudos to those that can do a 3A, to me, what Alina does with the whole of her program is amazing. ISU took out the 2nd half bonus, devalued the BV of both the 3Lo (0.20 less) and the 3Lz ( 0.10 less) and still, Alina is right up there (to be fair they also devalued the 3A, but hey).

On her longer instagram live of April 2017, when she ended her Junior Season (first and only season) and got upgraded to Senior for the next one, she was asked and answered the question of how many countries she had visited up until then (presumably as a figure skater, so she answered to that specific type of visit), her answers were France and Taipei. She had also been to Turkey and Slovenia by that point. So 4 countries.

Now here we are, 1 year and 7 months later and in that space of time she's been to: Italy (multiple times), Japan (multiple times), Germany, China, Korea (multiple times), Finland and France (again). And she's just about to go to North America for the first time, maybe she'll go to the US a bit early to train for Canada, who knows, fact is, she is going to Canada. That's 8 countries.

This season Alina's hard earned consistency has been her best friend, and PCS booster, she is keeping it together and delivering. She has the highest total score programs of the season and that distinction was earned, fought for, with tooth and nails. Like Masaru taking Owlina.

She has the perfect mindset to deliver her best performances and it will all come together in both SP and FS, this is not an easy task, but Alina is not a girl for easy tasks, she is a fighter, she is all about smashing glass ceilings. Her growth as a skater this season is mind blowing, she is handling the pressure and thriving as she improves her abilities.

Her combo is the hardest one for UR calls (the 3Lz+3Lo), that's the major problem one can have when executing this combo, I can see by her diligence in working it that she is trying to get the rotations back to a stable form, and she will succeed. Calls this season have been harsher all around, but she is on it, she'll get it. Girl who didn't have a cantilever 2 years ago and is now performing it in her EX can get anything under her belt.

One more cool factor for my already extra long post: For the first time in 26 years we had two Olympic Single Gold Medalists competing together in the same season, not only that but they also competed together in the same GP events, both won Gold at all their GPs and both are the 1st place seeded skaters in their categories for the GP Final. Talk about historical right there. Our girl is not reading history, she is writing it.
 
Time difference is very big this time , 11 hours. Alina needs to come earlier to be able to adjust.
I will pray for Alina :pray:

Good point. I know Eteri has gone to North American competitions before, and Daniil and Anna S went to Vancouver for her second stage, so hopefully the team understands how to deal with time zone issues.

It will be a real party, won't it? Alina, Anna, Alena, Alexandra, Eteri, Daniil and Dudakov...am I missing anyone? :laugh: I hope the girls have fun and wins lots of medals! I know that Ted Barton, for one, is eager to welcome Team Tutberidze to Canada.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqTQ3k0Bbc5/
 
I Love, Love, Love Alina's POTO since beginning. People did not like music choice, but I Loved it. I saw in my mind how it will look and sound when it will be ready for competition.
and now we see that it is just perfect! :luv17::luv17::clap::clap:

:agree:
I am the same. I started looking forward to Alina's POTO from the moment it were announced. Her costume was actually the part that took some time to grow on me. It is a very nice costume, and I like Olga's work, but :laugh: some might remember my hopes that Alina would wear another tutu.
 
Good point. I know Eteri has gone to North American competitions before, and Daniil and Anna S went to Vancouver for her second stage, so hopefully the team understands how to deal with time zone issues.

It will be a real party, won't it? Alina, Anna, Alena, Alexandra, Eteri, Daniil and Dudakov...am I missing anyone? :laugh: I hope the girls have fun and wins lots of medals! I know that Ted Barton, for one, is eager to welcome Team Tutberidze to Canada.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqTQ3k0Bbc5/

Ted is just the best. He’s like everyone’s loving and supportive uncle.
 
There are harder to execute jump layouts this season but there is no combo of harder jumps + harder non jumps elements.

I would go one step further and say that there are no skaters who have shown themselves capable of executing a layout, including the non jumps elements, of this caliber, in competition. While I don't doubt that the other top ladies and top men are capable of doing Level 4 spins and steps, competition is a mental game as much as a physical one, and there is a reason fans are always lamenting missed levels. Whether it is due to intense training, Eteri's coaching, Alina's own mental discipline, or all of the above, Alina has shown that she can consistently perform at the highest level. :)

ISU took out the 2nd half bonus, devalued the BV of both the 3Lo (0.20 less) and the 3Lz ( 0.10 less) and still, Alina is right up there

I am finding that I mind the ISU changes less and less as Alina sets more and more WRs under it. :laugh:
ISU did their best, but all it did was make it so that instead of owning one WR, Alina was able to go out immediately and snatch up all three.

Her combo is the hardest one for UR calls (the 3Lz+3Lo), that's the major problem one can have when executing this combo, I can see by her diligence in working it that she is trying to get the rotations back to a stable form, and she will succeed. Calls this season have been harsher all around, but she is on it, she'll get it. Girl who didn't have a cantilever 2 years ago and is now performing it in her EX can get anything under her belt.

Absolutely agree. I remember the 3Lz-3Lo-3Los Alina was doing before in practice at Rostelecom. When a program isn't working in competition, Alina and her team respond by making their practices tougher, not by making their programs easier. You can see that the girls are the ones pushing themselves, too, not just the coaches. I think that their training environment is good for this. When you're next to Miss Sasha "I can do 4Lz, I can do ANYTHING" Trusova, there is no room for complacency.

One more cool factor for my already extra long post: For the first time in 26 years we had two Olympic Single Gold Medalists competing together in the same season, not only that but they also competed together in the same GP events, both won Gold at all their GPs and both are the 1st place seeded skaters in their categories for the GP Final. Talk about historical right there. Our girl is not reading history, she is writing it.

:hap57:
Go Alina! :hap10:
 
Alina is playing her own game of "Risk" (that's a board game for those unfamiliar with its USA name), while taking lots of actual risks with one of the harder program layouts of the season. I'd say factoring in her spins, choreo and step sequence, it is the harder layout, no one does that level of difficulty combining jumps and the rest. There are harder to execute jump layouts this season but there is no combo of harder jumps + harder non jumps elements.

3As are worth a lot to a skater because they basically take up the place of the 2A that everyone else has to do after they max out their allowed triples between combos, sequences and singles. In the Figure Skating podium fight, you fight with what you have, and kudos to those that can do a 3A, to me, what Alina does with the whole of her program is amazing. ISU took out the 2nd half bonus, devalued the BV of both the 3Lo (0.20 less) and the 3Lz ( 0.10 less) and still, Alina is right up there (to be fair they also devalued the 3A, but hey).

On her longer instagram live of April 2017, when she ended her Junior Season (first and only season) and got upgraded to Senior for the next one, she was asked and answered the question of how many countries she had visited up until then (presumably as a figure skater, so she answered to that specific type of visit), her answers were France and Taipei. She had also been to Turkey and Slovenia by that point. So 4 countries.

Now here we are, 1 year and 7 months later and in that space of time she's been to: Italy (multiple times), Japan (multiple times), Germany, China, Korea (multiple times), Finland and France (again). And she's just about to go to North America for the first time, maybe she'll go to the US a bit early to train for Canada, who knows, fact is, she is going to Canada. That's 8 countries.

This season Alina's hard earned consistency has been her best friend, and PCS booster, she is keeping it together and delivering. She has the highest total score programs of the season and that distinction was earned, fought for, with tooth and nails. Like Masaru taking Owlina.

She has the perfect mindset to deliver her best performances and it will all come together in both SP and FS, this is not an easy task, but Alina is not a girl for easy tasks, she is a fighter, she is all about smashing glass ceilings. Her growth as a skater this season is mind blowing, she is handling the pressure and thriving as she improves her abilities.

Her combo is the hardest one for UR calls (the 3Lz+3Lo), that's the major problem one can have when executing this combo, I can see by her diligence in working it that she is trying to get the rotations back to a stable form, and she will succeed. Calls this season have been harsher all around, but she is on it, she'll get it. Girl who didn't have a cantilever 2 years ago and is now performing it in her EX can get anything under her belt.

One more cool factor for my already extra long post: For the first time in 26 years we had two Olympic Single Gold Medalists competing together in the same season, not only that but they also competed together in the same GP events, both won Gold at all their GPs and both are the 1st place seeded skaters in their categories for the GP Final. Talk about historical right there. Our girl is not reading history, she is writing it.

Yeah and has forever ended those godawful Tara Lipinski comparisons. Our girl is in it for the long run and can't wait to see her career progress from her.
 
It will be a real party, won't it? Alina, Anna, Alena, Alexandra, Eteri, Daniil and Dudakov...am I missing anyone? :laugh:

OMG I did not realize until now Eteri will be have there full 4A :laugh: Hope girls will have fun together. Maybe they can make a small trip (sightseeing or shopping) as a reward after the comp :cheer:

Edit: Just imagining "big boss" Alina :laugh:
 
OMG I did not realize until now Eteri will be have there full 4A :laugh: Hope girls will have fun together. Maybe they can make a small trip (sightseeing or shopping) as a reward after the comp :cheer:

Edit: Just imagining "big boss" Alina :laugh:

And one small chocolate bar allowed :laugh:
 
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