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Alina Zagitova

paji15 said:
I think Alina can be fine with just triples. It's so difficult program, it will be the hardest one without quad or 3A. Her jumps seems absolutelly solid and big, so it can be the biggest GOE, her PSC will be probably highest too. I think she can pretty well compete with Anna and her 4Lutz. It's one jump and Alina has much more maturity, better artistry etc. I can even see her compete with Liza despite three 3A. I don't wanna be mean but it's the only thing she has, I was waiting when her FS will finaly end, and I'm sad to say that bc really like her. Only Sasha's difficulty is probably out of charge. I believe when she will skate clean and will be into it as she is, then she is fine! It's all up to her, as always. :) Also I think she said herself in one interview there will be some changes in composition, so her jumps can be switched, I think it will stay in this layout but maybe a bit in different order. Next year, juniors girls will start getting bigger PCS probably and she will probably need Quad, but she seems be well awared of that and wants to do it. I think slow steps is actually very good. She will keep VERY good technique, all jumps rock solid. It's important after her growth. And her potential quads can be very solid too. Better than rush with it and then constantly have bad edges and under calles like some skaters. Also it's safer. Plus it's very hard to do second Olympic cycle. If they are planning to go all the way it's very good decision to give her one, sligtly lighter, season. She can relax a bit, learn what she need in backstage and have fun. They need her to be still at her level but they needs her to be ready 2 years since now. :)
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I agree. I like their strategy. She is still competitive for the top stop (best case scenario) or a place on any podium. And absolutely a strong candidate to make the team for World's and Euros.

She is getting the opportunity to start strong with her programs and build/complicate them as the season progresses. She can continue to work on a quad if that is in her plans, but she doesn't have to put it in her programs and risk injury by over-training it, or throwing it in at competitions and falling on it.

Even if she doesn't win every competition (I don't think this is possible no matter how much I would like to see it.) she can stay near the top spot. Get on podiums, make the teams, solidify her position in the judges minds, and build her credibility with the federation.

She looked so calm out there. There's definitely something to be said for silencing all your critics and doubters and skating with an Olympic Gold Medal in one pocket and a World Gold Medal in the other.

And she did that after a summer full of shows, a vacation, multiple media and sponsorship obligations. There is no telling what this season holds but I feel like she is starting from a good place mentally and physically. What a change from last year! It's almost like the difference between Milan and Saitama! Just stay healthy. Everything else you can deal with as it comes.
 
flanker said:
Eteri herself wrote a message to him there.
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Danya, no words can alleviate the pain. It's as if someone had ripped a piece of heart out of you.
Your mother left us a happy woman. She was needed at work until the last day. She raised a son who cared for her and loved her immensely. You've made it as an accomplished coach and a lot of credit for that goes to your mother. And of course, Lyudmila Borisovna left a part of herself in each of our athletes.
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Finley said:
I agree. I like their strategy. She is still competitive for the top stop (best case scenario) or a place on any podium. And absolutely a strong candidate to make the team for World's and Euros.

She is getting the opportunity to start strong with her programs and build/complicate them as the season progresses. She can continue to work on a quad if that is in her plans, but she doesn't have to put it in her programs and risk injury by over-training it, or throwing it in at competitions and falling on it.

Even if she doesn't win every competition (I don't think this is possible no matter how much I would like to see it.) she can stay near the top spot. Get on podiums, make the teams, solidify her position in the judges minds, and build her credibility with the federation.

She looked so calm out there. There's definitely something to be said for silencing all your critics and doubters and skating with an Olympic Gold Medal in one pocket and a World Gold Medal in the other.

And she did that after a summer full of shows, a vacation, multiple media and sponsorship obligations. There is no telling what this season holds but I feel like she is starting from a good place mentally and physically. What a change from last year! It's almost like the difference between Milan and Saitama! Just stay healthy. Everything else you can deal with as it comes.
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Just wanted to make a quick remark. To me, quad or 3A just disrupt the flow of the program (too much freeze up moment to prep for the take off). I rather watch well balanced program with high artistic quality. Honestly, nobody can match the artistic quality delivered by Alina. She has the perfect body proportion and god like hand movement.
 
johnlawyer999 said:
Just wanted to make a quick remark. To me, quad or 3A just disrupt the flow of the program (too much freeze up moment to prep for the take off). I rather watch well balanced program with high artistic quality. Honestly, nobody can match the artistic quality delivered by Alina. She has the perfect body proportion and god like hand movement.
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100% agree with every word. And I think she can get away with not having that level of difficulty this season. Next season might be a different story, but that is next season. For now she just needs to do her thing, stay competitive, stay healthy, and stay within striking distance of the top spot.

If it's in her game-plan she can continue to train more difficult jump(s) to get some more mileage on them/it. Then maybe debut them/it next season when they are more secure.

If it's not part of her plan to increase her jump difficulty in the coming seasons leading to Beijing then so be it. I will enjoy her beautiful skating for as long possible in whatever context it is presented.

I'm already in love with her programs this season. I am happy there is mostly positive feedback on various social media sites. It's also encouraging that Alina has won over a lot of former doubters with her new routines and beautiful performances.
 
Finley said:
100% agree with every word. And I think she can get away with not having that level of difficulty this season. Next season might be a different story, but that is next season. For now she just needs to do her thing, stay competitive, stay healthy, and stay within striking distance of the top spot.

If it's in her game-plan she can continue to train more difficult jump(s) to get some more mileage on them/it. Then maybe debut them/it next season when they are more secure.

If it's not part of her plan to increase her jump difficulty in the coming seasons leading to Beijing then so be it. I will enjoy her beautiful skating for as long possible in whatever context it is presented.

I'm already in love with her programs this season. I am happy there is mostly positive feedback on various social media sites. It's also encouraging that Alina has won over a lot of former doubters with her new routines and beautiful performances.
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agree with every word. When people that criticize and nitpick you admit you improved miles and miles, there's truly no better testament to the work you've done. The naysayers were defeated :laugh:
She trusts her team and they only wish the best things for her and always act in her best interest.
World, Olympic titles are with her for her life, she's already achieved everything there's to achieve.
If she wants more world/olympic medals in her collection, I'm sure her team will support her and help her to achieve her goals.
If she wants to skate for herself and enjoy performing for the sake of it, she can also easily do that and I'll be happy either way.
She's already doing more than all, but 2 olympic champions before her, keep that in mind!

Frankly, I really can't find things to be worried about :biggrin: She skated so beautifully, with so much energy and character, her improvement on her tes and pcs is so amazing.
I'd say she's in the shape that is better than in her Olympic year, she wasn't skating clean up until Euros that year.
Right now there was ease, enjoyment, fun and you could feel how confident she is. :luv17: I don't wanna jinx it, but I'm happy to see her so happy :luv17:

I think one thing about Alina people miss - she's not going to get disappointed if she doesn't have gold. She's disappointed when she doesn't skate clean or do her best, but she clearly appreciates every medal and every podium, whatever the color, and has enormous respect for her competitors. So if some of other girls go ahead, I know Alina would only be supportive of her competitors and teammate-sisters. She's too kind and generous to have any ill feelings about those things.

In anyway, I digress. All positive thoughts lately, and I just wanted to speak out :laugh:
 
nussnacker said:
agree with every word. When people that criticize and nitpick you admit you improved miles and miles, there's truly no better testament to the work you've done. The naysayers were defeated :laugh:
She trusts her team and they only wish the best things for her and always act in her best interest.
World, Olympic titles are with her for her life, she's already achieved everything there's to achieve.
If she wants more world/olympic medals in her collection, I'm sure her team will support her and help her to achieve her goals.
If she wants to skate for herself and enjoy performing for the sake of it, she can also easily do that and I'll be happy either way.
She's already doing more than all, but 2 olympic champions before her, keep that in mind!

Frankly, I really can't find things to be worried about :biggrin: She skated so beautifully, with so much energy and character, her improvement on her tes and pcs is so amazing.
I'd say she's in the shape that is better than in her Olympic year, she wasn't skating clean up until Euros that year.
Right now there was ease, enjoyment, fun and you could feel how confident she is. :luv17: I don't wanna jinx it, but I'm happy to see her so happy :luv17:

I think one thing about Alina people miss - she's not going to get disappointed if she doesn't have gold. She's disappointed when she doesn't skate clean or do her best, but she clearly appreciates every medal and every podium, whatever the color, and has enormous respect for her competitors. So if some of other girls go ahead, I know Alina would only be supportive of her competitors and teammate-sisters. She's too kind and generous to have any ill feelings about those things.

In anyway, I digress. All positive thoughts lately, and I just wanted to speak out :laugh:
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Thanks for sharing your positivity :) This post test skate bliss reminds me of Nebelhorn last year. I know the season is long and the ice is slippery but I'm grateful that we can all start it off with so much positive energy.

Now we wait for the Japan Open!
 
To basically whole discussin, it's gonna be too long to tag everyone :)
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Exactly! Plus she is not Anya or Lilbet, she is completelly in different situation than rest of the girls, she can't just go to the middle of the ice and hope she will land it this time. Those girls are trying to get where she is, but she is already there. It must be stable in her case. Ice is slippery and fall happen but it must be as stable as possible. She is Alina Zagitova, once it will be in her planned record, it will be huge deal, she is not kind of girl who can fall and everything is nice and we will clapp her for bravery (ok we probably so :laugh: :luv17: ) or just say "ok it's a pitty!". Everyone will be there to say "it was under/pre rotated, wrong edge, weak, definitelly not goe it got, ..."

Also they just can't put into her program quad and downgrade a lot of aristry bc of that. I believe she is able to learn it somehow quite quickly, she is a girl who can jump 5 triples in a row without even euler, she has that power and we saw what Eteri did with her triples in short time, but there is no purpose and it's not a right way for her. She is known for beautifull programs and her crazy entries (which are this year even crazier, people mostly don't realize it, it's not seen but they push her jumps forward a lot by this), it would be a pitty if she had suddenly huge long entry into one jump especially when they are not so sure if she will land it. For me, it's not worthy. I believe from all they said, it's a plan and Alina is determined to do it, she sure will try (or already is), it probably must be even a challenge for her she wanna try, but when she decide she doesn't want it, then I'm completelly fine with it and can't wait to watch her skates, no matter if competitive or in show. :luv17:

I was only wondering, Idk if its possible by rules, but they maybe can try go for 3-3-3 combo as that triple jumps combo later in the season? She would be the first women to do so and it and it would get her higher difficulty, it doesn't need different jump and also we know she is able to comfortably jump those, even 3Lz-3lo3-Lo. :think: (Also Idk how you guys seens it, but her combo with doubles always seems to me bigger mess and weaker than her practice triple combos �� :laugh:)

Btw I had dream today, I almost never have them :laugh: but today with Alina. She was there with some other girls, I think either Sasha or Anya was there too maybe Zhenya, Idk I remember clearly only Alina now. :laugh: And they were in a group secretly learning brand new jump. :laugh: Not quad but brand new (mean different than lutz, salchow, flip, ...) :laugh:
 
JazzUp said:
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Lovely pictures, thanks :-) Weather still nice in Moscow and Alina looks great. Good to see that fan channel caters to the Japanese too. It is clear why Alina is loved and cherished in Japan.

Those Minnie Mouse ears, Japanese young and teenage girls are as fond of those as of Hello Kitty (?) accessories?

Listening to a live stream as I am writing this, the hostess said that Alina went out to the Test Skates to confirm her status as Olympic Champion, in which she fully succeeded IMO.
 
Puma Ads with Alina in Japan? Looks like she's on the road of becoming not just russian but global Puma ambassador!!!
 
paji15 said:
I was only wondering, Idk if its possible by rules, but they maybe can try go for 3-3-3 combo as that triple jumps combo later in the season? She would be the first women to do so and it and it would get her higher difficulty, it doesn't need different jump and also we know she is able to comfortably jump those, even 3Lz-3lo3-Lo. :think: (Also Idk how you guys seens it, but her combo with doubles always seems to me bigger mess and weaker than her practice triple combos �� :laugh:)
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If it is allowed, would it even be worth the risk?
It seems that combos are scored by just adding the 3 jump values together.
So I think she would score just as many points if she did a 3-3 and then a solo 3.

It seems the only way you can really increase the tech score is with quads and/or a triple axel.

Not just because the jumps score so high, but just as importantly you can add these to the 7 "normal" triples you are limited to.
And then I think the limitation is just the number of jumping passes you are allowed to do.

It hurts my head too much to try to figure it all out.
But looking at Sasha Trusova's LP --- I think she did 3 quads and 6 triple jumps.
Why didn't she do 7 triples? Was it due to the # of jumping passes?
Maybe Sasha could benefit by the 3-3-3 to get in a 7th triple?
I don't know.

Hopefully someone can help here.
Thanks.
 
nussnacker said:
Puma Ads with Alina in Japan? Looks like she's on the road of becoming not just russian but global Puma ambassador!!!
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It's all happening! :hap10:

I watched TSL and they love Alina now. :shocked: Never thought I would live to see the day. :drama: It was nice to hear their praise, but grain of salt and all that.... Anyway I had to laugh (in a good way!) at their Sasha assessment. She is by no means their favorite, but they think she is about to win EVERYTHING. (Yes. Yes she is.) Dave was like - "If she lands her jumps then - Goodbye, everybody!" :laugh2:

I love Alina and want her to win everything, but math is math. Once upon a time Alina was the back-loaded weapon of mass destruction. Now it is Trusova's turn. Even as a passionate Alina fan I cannot begrudge her that. She is awesome.

I think paji is right in saying that Alina is not going to spend this season chasing the top spot on every podium. She is going to do what she can do and let the medals fall where they may. She is starting strong and has done herself proud. She needs to peak twice this season - Rus Nats & Worlds. And everything will be what it will.

This new found happiness and freedom that we are seeing in Alina tells me that she has let go of some things. She trains with the 3A's every day. She watches Sasha land those jumps all day every day. If she is going to keep skating it has to be for herself. Having won everything and being the reigning Olympic Champion probably makes that a LOT easier. There aren't any dreams or goals left undone.

That attitude/reality will also be an amazing opportunity for Puma marketing. Going from 'Do You' to 'Be the best version of you for yourself'. That is so relatable to so many people. Usually our best isn't Michael Phelps or Usain Bolt, but we shouldn't stop swimming or running or competing or whatever it is we want to do. I'm here for it.

Like I posted before, if she can stay near the top, continue to hone her skills and develop her artistry, she has next season to take her skating to the next level technically. If that is what she chooses to do. She will be an adult next year and able to make her own decisions regarding career. I'm here for that too.
 
Finley said:
It's all happening! :hap10:
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When quality looks you boldly straight in the eye, all smiling and radiating with pleasure, power and new found confidence, how blind and prejudiced do you need to be to not see it?

And still Alina has never competed in the USA. I wonder how the cynics will react when they watch her compete live. With the current visa situation, any US audience should be very glad to be able to watch any Russian skater.
 
Edwin said:
When quality stares you straight in the eye, all smiling and radiating with pleasure and new found confidence, how blind and prejudiced do you need to be to not see it?

And still Alina has never competed in the USA. I wonder how the cynics will react when they watch her compete live. With the current visa situation, any US audience should be very glad to be able to watch any Russian skater.
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One way to make skating more popular among a wider audience is for the 'stars' (like Olympic Champions!) to have longevity in their careers. With her beauty and charm, Alina is an ideal candidate to spread the popularity of figure skating. Imo, the 4A as a group are an amazing marketing tool for increasing world wide visibility of the sport.

Make it happen, powers that be!

Also, this is precious and I have to bring to Alina's fan thread -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee8HneNyUw0 :love:
 
Somebody must have had a lot of time to make this video, but it was definitely worth it. Just love it! :luv17:
 
I know this post may be late, but I am completely wowed by Alina at test skates! Beyond just her skating. Everything looks so much better when she is happy and smiling. I remember last season, her GP season was not her best, and really her only clean skates (both SP and FP) the whole season were Nebelhorn and Worlds. It was so hard to see her almost every competition nearly be in tears after her skate.

Happy Alina will be better! I think it will be a good season for her. I feel like last season was so rough because she felt like she had something to prove, and her growing pains. The confidence and growing issues seem to be behind her now. Also I just love what a sweet person she is. After Euros, she was so grateful to still have silver. I love how successful she is and still humble.

And idk if this is an unpopular opinion, but I absolutely love her new SP. I know some people don't like the new music choice. But it truly shows off how artistic she can be. She has such a graceful, balletic way of skating. The music choice is such a wonderful addition to her style of skating. I think that's the reason why Black Swan was also a great choice.

Also, those transitions in and out of the flip!!! I think those are the best transitions in and out of a flip, EVER.
 
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