All Brian Joubert News!

[NatachaHatawa]

Natacha, this is from passion patinage forum, all the update info about brian is there.. Unfortunately google translator is not doing a great job..
http://forum.passion-patinage.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1130&start=150
Also, if you read Seniorita;s reports, she mentioned she saw Jouby in the shopping mall and he was being shot by a camera crew. Here is the footage from that:
http://sport.france2.fr/stade2/inde..._stade2_extraits_2_20100124_24012010184300_F2
Oh and may I just say, around 2.40 in the video

Thanks - I hadn't been on those sites since Euros.

 

[bekalc]

Darlings, I only write him off, so that he can surprise me.

But seriously, it's not looking good. Seniorita, you write that he just had a bad skate; but the bad news is that in the past three years he had maybe one or two good long program skates. I am not sure if he can manage to pull himself together.

I don't know I think one of Joubert's biggest long program problems is that he hasn't had a COP friendly jump layout, and he also has played it safe way too much. For example at worlds, Joubert should have never even done a double axel when he could do a 3 sal. And if Joubert had gone for and landed a second quad, toe, it wouldn't have mattered tha t he fell on his double axel at the end. He would have still killed Evan on TES.

Same goes with Worlds 2008. He had a great skater there but he gave up a ton of points. When Joubert was doing two quads and two triple axels in 2006-2007 Joubert was dominating the sport. He needs to do this again. I think it might be difficult for him to do this at the Olympics. But at least he can go in knowing that he can do the quad. And I think if he does do two quads two triple axels and stays relatively clean. He'll beat plushenko.

 

[jennylovskt]

And I think if he does do two quads two triple axels and stays relatively clean. He'll beat plushenko.

I have reason to believe that Plushenko could put two 4T and two 3A in his LP too. So he might not. But at least it could keep him on the podium.

 

[seniorita]

Will he beat him with 2 quads and 2 axels?? Plushenko had already been doing 2 3axels with freaking consistency in his program since the beginning of CoP and he will go for a second quad in Vancouver. Unless he is not challenged. But I think he will be challenged big time so he will. In his Tes in europeans, you see from his layout he was going for 3x-half loop-flip and he couldnt get it and he didnt do any flip in there and doubled the lutz. In practice he was doing 4-3-2 clean and he did a 3z-3t-3loop and my eyes went out (i know practice is practice)

Brian's Pcs were slightly better, true. Anyway I believe Evgeni will fix his straight sequence cause he got an alarming level 2. He is also an Lp skater (actually he is both but I think if he has a great sp he will comeback kicking in Lp) unlike Jouby. It is not like he has to beat Plushenko, if Lambiel goes clean with two quads I would say both Joub and Plush will have to move their butt big time to beat him.

Plush weakness is that he forgets (or decides not to) the whatever choreo he has. As much as I was happy in Lp i had seen the practice and he forgot the choreo and the transitions before salcow and loop i think and before his spin combo. I got frustrated cause I liked them too much. He also forgot some sort of steps in gala, so I tend to think he gets all excited and he improvises at some point.

Even if his program is not as ambitious as Joubs he brought the arena down, music of Tango is repetitive and with a strong impact, I never believed I would say that cause I didnt like it in Moscow, but he sells his program like there is no tommorow. I dont know the impact in NA audience. And I suspect that Joub clean can sell it also.

So after three paragraphs rumbling i have no conclusion

 

[schiele]

So after three paragraphs rumbling i have no conclusion

That was the best conclusion I've read in a while..
As for bekalc's comments, my take on the issue is this: I agree that along the way team Joubert got lost in the COP world. Like Plushenko, at some point in time they thought that he didn't need such aggressive jump layout to win and started to water it down. However, during this process they underestimated the power of high level spins and steps and importance of good GOE, so he started getting beaten by 'all round' skaters. Then the concentration on non-jump elements increased with significant improvement so far, while the jump strategy continued to suffer as it was not really maximized to potential while the risk is minimalized. I wish the wake up call would've come sooner than Euros but better later than never..

Btw, I don't think two quads and two axels are needed at the same time, I feel it's more like either-or (but definetely not the current one with one quad, one triple axel and a botched or popped attempt at quad sal). I have doubts that Plushenko will go for quad lutz, or another crazy jump or combo. I think he will play it clean hence safe, the thing that works for him the best. So my conclusion is team Joubert seems to be on the right track for the jump strategy but being on the podium will depend how clean he can go with that.

 

[seniorita]

Plushy will go fot 2 quadtoes, he was joking about lutz.

 

[bekalc]

Btw, I don't think two quads and two axels are needed at the same time, I feel it's more like either-or (but definetely not the current one with one quad, one triple axel and a botched or popped attempt at quad sal). I have doubts that Plushenko will go for quad lutz, or another crazy jump or combo. I think he will play it clean hence safe, the thing that works for him the best. So my conclusion is team Joubert seems to be on the right track for the jump strategy but being on the podium will depend how clean he can go with that.

I think Joubert should frontload and go with the 2 quad toes as a buffer in case he makes a mistake later on this is what I'd be doing if I were him IN order

4toe/2toe
4toe
3axel/2toe
3axel
3loop/3toe/2loop
3lutz
3flip
3sal

As for Plushenko doing 2 quad toes, I think we will see. I wouldn't be susprised if Plushenko bets on his competitors inconsistent. Besides while its been awhile since Joubert has done 2 quads in his program, its been even longer since Plushenko has done this. And he has made some of his own issues (like doubling the lutz...

Medusa Yeah, but he has never done this jump layout, I think. So it will be a totally new thing for him in competition. And we all know how great he is with (new) jump layouts.

I think he is done. Stick a fork into him.

Joubert's problem has been that he creates his jumping layout on the fly based on what his competitors are doing, instead of what he trained in practice.

 

[seniorita]

I wouldn't be susprised if Plushenko bets on his competitors inconsistent. Besides while its been awhile since Joubert has done 2 quads in his program, its been even longer since Plushenko has done this.

I dont think Plushenko counted ever to his competitors mistakes to be on podium or win. I think he sticks to his plan unless a big pressure like previous Olympics. And yet there he left out the program(lol), not the jumps. It 's been a while ( i dont remember last time, worlds 2004?)he has done two quads of course.
Plushenko didnt jump a quad in the whole sp practice falling all over the place which looked like a disaster and me having written him off, and came and landed one in warm up and one in actual program, then came back in Lp and couldnt do one decent jump in warm up and then you know the rest.

Lets say you bet your month salary, to which you would bet to deliver two quads and a clean program?Doubling a lutz in Lp is not the end of world in points.

In his press conference he was asked something like this, he said it is naive to believe that in Olympics he will not have to fight to the very end to medal.

Saying this I hope Joub nails everything so Plush can try his best which he didnt in Euros

With all love to Plushy, Lambiel is a biggest threat, cause he almost delivered and he was the only to do 2 quads, and if he is in short distance after sp he will be the one to beat.

 

[bekalc]

I dont think Plushenko counted ever to his competitors mistakes to be on podium or win. I think he sticks to his plan unless a big pressure like previous Olympics. And yet there he left out the program(lol), not the jumps. It 's been a while ( i dont remember last time, worlds 2004?)he has done two quads of course.

I'm sorry but when Yagudin was around Plushenko was doing a LOT more difficult programs. I wouldn't be surprised if he thought one quad was more than enough. And doubling a lutz can cost you a lot of points. A double lutz is 1.9 points a triple lutz is 6.0 points thats 4 points-nothing to sneeze at in this system.

OF course I'd bet on Plushenko being clean than Joubert.

 

[schiele]

With all love to Plushy, Lambiel is a biggest threat, cause he almost delivered and he was the only to do 2 quads, and if he is in short distance after sp he will be the one to beat.

Seniorita, Lambiel is doing 2 quads and double axels. With all due respect, a quad toe and a triple axel programme is essentially the same as two quad programme since the base value difference is only 1.6. So Lambiel is actually only doing two quads to make up for the lack of triple axel. I don't see this as any big threat. His real threat comes in the form of spins, trnasitions and presentation.

I think if Joubert is actually going for 2 quads and 2 axels, he should definetely take out the flip. He's been getting consistent edge calls on it cos he lips. But then again, I still don't think he needs 2 quad and 2 axels. All he needs is 2 qauds and 1 axel (or vice versa), use all combos properly and be clean on both programmes. I'm sure that would be enough for podium or even OGM.

 

[seniorita]

i meant plush usually sticks to his jump layout no matter how the others skated- even when the others have skated much worse and he could win with just going in there and read a book, not that he didnt do more difficult programs in yag era.
I think it is funny to think they dont know what he needs and we do. I think Mishin and /or Plush have pretty much played by the rules of CoP in the best way and study the competitors since ever, I would be surprised they believe that it would be enough for Plush to skate the same as Euros. Mishin is a genious.

Thats what i meant, Lambiel does 2 quads so he covers the lack of axel and if he goes clean he will get all 9 and maybe 10 in pcs in a competition as Olys. I wanted to say that he is the one to beat cause he covers his Tes distance from the other two and the lack of axel and in pcs he is far far away anyway. His program is amazing. Only prob I could think is if he is far behind after sp, In euros he was fifth and it was only half athletes he will face in Olympics.

 

[schiele]

Thats what i meant, Lambiel does 2 quads so he covers the lack of axel and if he goes clean he will get all 9 and maybe 10 in pcs in a competition as Olys. I wanted to say that he is the one to beat cause he covers his Tes distance from the other two and the lack of axel and in pcs he is far far away anyway. His program is amazing. Only prob I could think is if he is far behind after sp, In euros he was fifth and it was only half athletes he will face in Olympics.

Sure, if he goes all clean, the only thing that will keep Lambiel down will be his SP unless he can get a 3 axel. But by the same token, a clean Takahashi (although I don't remember one for a while now) can beat Lambiel on account of his similar PCS and strength of overall skating. So it always comes down to "who will be the cleanest?" That's why I feel Plush will not push all boundries, his biggest strength is also the biggest advantage you can have in olympics.
Btw, I'm curious to see who else will catch the "Plushy fever". Brian did to some extent at Euros so I'm glad he caught it earlier than others who might catch it at the actual event.

PS: Seniorita, you still seem to be ignoring my email..

 

[seniorita]

lambiel wont go for 3axel. He doest even set up for it. It is clear unless it was stratecically not shown at european practices and competition, which i doubt.
I really dont know what Plush radiates and they catch the fever, I assure you he is not that scary, the contrary i would say.Lambiel I dont think he got any plushfever, he has been skating with plush all last year in his show and he used his past experience and didnt at least.

You sent me mail??where?I hope not here, here box is full

 

[schiele]

lambiel wont go for 3axel. He doest even set up for it. It is clear unless it was stratecically not shown at european practices and competition, which i doubt.
I really dont know what Plush radiates and they catch the fever, I assure you he is not that scary, the contrary i would say.Lambiel I dont think he got any plushfever, he has been skating with plush all last year in his show and he used his past experience and didnt at least.

You sent me mail??where?I hope not here, here box is full

I don't think he will either. That's why it's all the more crucial for him to land the quad combination in SP to make sure he stays in range for the OGM.
I think Lambiel came with low expectations into this and he was actually more succesful than anticipated because of that.. Unlike Joubert, whose expectations were much higher, he was looking for a head to head competition with Plushy..
I think the consistency and success of Plush make some of the other skaters around him nervous. I have not seen him in competition so he may not be scary at all but he certainly knows how to play the "Witt" games.

I sent it to your yahoo email account yesterday, which may also be full cos you were away and busy reporting in Talinn??

 

[seniorita]

What is Witt games?You mean flashy makeup and a short short skirt?
What Plush has is that he enters warmup and looks so concetrated and serious you think he is already transpotted in Plushland and there is no way to distract him (i didnt even try). But then you can get on his way and you might end up like brezina. But i m not afraid of him.
I posted a Joub pic in plush thread and I wrote here for Plush, i think it should have been the other way round.
I havent seen all email yet, please be patient, i will find yours, i looked like 500 spam and 300 non spam which were spam at the end.

 

[schiele]

What is Witt games?You mean flashy makeup and a short short skirt?

I wouldn't rule it out if it's Plush we're talking about. He has no obsession with proving his masculinity as far as I can tell.
What I meant was intimidating your opponents with bold statements (Oh I think I doubled the lutz cos I was training for quad lutz and got confused or anything similar), with warm-up/training gimmicks (skating past them really fast and close, moving/skating to their music when it's playing etc etc) and showing extreme self-confidence in every public appearence.. That's a typical "playing it hard" tough competitor type to me and I remember Witt was also like that. Not that there's anything wrong with it..

I posted a Joub pic in plush thread and I wrote here for Plush, i think it should have been the other way round.

Ok, checking it out now. Now Jouby thread turned into Plushy.. How about that?

I havent seen all email yet, please be patient, i will find yours, i looked like 500 spam and 300 non spam which were spam at the end.

Yes, in the end I thought so too so I refrained myself from sending another one to ask what I actually wanted to ask.. Still holding out..

 

[seniorita]

Ok I got it. But I want to say this. Plush in warmups doesnt pay attention to anyone else skating and surely doesnt horseriding to catch their attention. He is taking a walk most of the times. He doesnt react also to people 's quads, successful jumps etc. Nada. I told the other day i like the way he treats people and I meant it. When the others music is playing he is very careful and goes aside, it is something I noticed in all practices and made me happy. He stops when someone set ups for jump. Ok, Most of them are this way, anyway I saw who jumped wow jumps when someone else was skating and who didnt and it was not the rule.
I can tell it is more probable to see him with the carmen skirt and red lipgloss than bullying a skater.

 

[silverlake22]

Ok I got it. But I want to say this. Plush in warmups doesnt pay attention to anyone else skating and surely doesnt horseriding to catch their attention. He is taking a walk most of the times. He doesnt react also to people 's quads, successful jumps etc. Nada. I told the other day i like the way he treats people and I meant it. When the others music is playing he is very careful and goes aside, it is something I noticed in all practices and made me happy. He stops when someone set ups for jump. Ok, Most of them are this way, anyway I saw who jumped wow jumps when someone else was skating and who didnt and it was not the rule.
I can tell it is more probable to see him with the carmen skirt and red lipgloss than bullying a skater.

Whatever, Verner is totally going to skate clean and WIN! The same thing will happen to Carolina and then they will get married and it will be lovely :agree:

 

[schiele]

Here's a very nice interview with Joubert. Probably the best one I've seen in a while. Google translator works nicely.
http://www.livesport.ru/games2010/2010/01/29/joubert/

 

[Buttercup]

Here's a very nice interview with Joubert. Probably the best one I've seen in a while. Google translator works nicely.
http://www.livesport.ru/games2010/2010/01/29/joubert/

I see there are now two (competing?) Brian threads! Well, I'll stick with the original. I was surprised by how well the translation worked. A few reactions:

• Brian must never skate to Bolero! I forbid it!
• So he and Stephane can be friends. Hmm, I wonder what that means.
• Albena and Maxim have done well with the choreo but the costume choice was a bad idea. He should use the NHK one, it was much better.
• I guess he wants to do CoC because it's the only GP he hasn't won...
• Not surprising that his favorite program is The Matrix; I sometimes think he had it too early in his career. I am surprised the other program he mentioned is Time - it's fun, but he's had better SPs.

I have a great life! I love to skate, I do my favorite job, I get money for it, I travel, I always meet new people ... Of course, I'm happy.

That's good. I hope he really means it.