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All Things Ice Dance: Canadian

Virtue/Moir pre-season chat with PJ Kwong - posted Aug 5 on her blog and YouTube:

http://pjkwong.com/?p=1253

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czMZCPLdc6M&feature=youtu.be&a

ETA:
No questions/answers about their programs for the upcoming season.
And none about training without Shpilband.
But nice to hear from them as they reflect on the Olympics, etc.

A bit more re Virtue/Moir from replies by Pj Kwong ‏@skatingpj to Twitter comments:

@AKapranova ... I asked about music/choreo but they didn't clear releasing it yet with Marina Zoueva - I respect that!
6:19 PM - 5 Aug 12

@artincircles they confIrmed one rumour I had heard but not the other - will email them to see if they will reveal the music...
7:46 PM - 5 Aug 12​

And Kwong has interviews with other skaters (incl. G/P and R/H) in the pipeline:

@4T4S4A ... This week will post Alexe Gilles, Poirier/Gilles, Ralph/Hill and Maxime-Billy Fortin :) am back!!! :)
6:54 PM - 5 Aug 12​

Regarding Gilles/Poirier, Kwong also said:

@AKapranova I am going to post their FD that I videod the other night - it is FANTASTIC!!!! A step up in my estimation (also great kids!:) )
6:51 PM - 5 Aug 12​
 
A bit more re Virtue/Moir from replies by Pj Kwong ‏@skatingpj to Twitter comments:

@AKapranova ... I asked about music/choreo but they didn't clear releasing it yet with Marina Zoueva - I respect that!
6:19 PM - 5 Aug 12

@artincircles they confIrmed one rumour I had heard but not the other - will email them to see if they will reveal the music...
7:46 PM - 5 Aug 12​

And Kwong has interviews with other skaters (incl. G/P and R/H) in the pipeline:

@4T4S4A ... This week will post Alexe Gilles, Poirier/Gilles, Ralph/Hill and Maxime-Billy Fortin :) am back!!! :)
6:54 PM - 5 Aug 12​

Regarding Gilles/Poirier, Kwong also said:

@AKapranova I am going to post their FD that I videod the other night - it is FANTASTIC!!!! A step up in my estimation (also great kids!:) )
6:51 PM - 5 Aug 12​


Has Alexe Gilles started skating for Canada? She seems to be in a lot of their productions? Might be good thing...
 
having one outing under their belts, probably skated a bit more relaxed and performed better overall.

(regarding Lake Placid vs. Minto) That's very likely true also, and part of the story.

I've tracked ice dance scores for Canadian competitors for four seasons now. There is a very clear pattern that emerges; ice dance scores always start out low in the first competition of the season and gradually increase over the season. This is true for almost every team, and it happens even when the levels on their elements stay the same. I think the suggestion of 'from the sidelines' is correct - that performance level is better as the season goes on, as the programs in general become smoother, and there is less 'thinking through the program'. Usually the only exceptions to this trend occur if a team has disastrous performance (falls, or something like that), or if the team is fighting injury or bad intra-team dynamics. This improvement happens in the other disciplines as well, but not nearly to as great an extent. It seems that ice dance programs, in particular, develop over the season and require several performances to reach their full potential.

Having said that, however, I still think part of the difference between Minto and Lake Placid was due to more generous judges. The improvement from competition to competition usually is a more gradual process than what we saw here.
 
I agree with geoskate. I've been tracking ice dance scores for all international competitors since 2006. It is certainly not usual for an ice dance team to have a 10+ point improvement from one competition to the next---unless there was a major whoopsie in the first competition.

Judges at domestic competitions do tend to have a more optimistic view of their home competitors.

I believe Alexe Gilles does intend to skate for Canada. She is Piper Gilles' twin sister, BTW. Alexe hasn't been competitive in the US since she was a junior, so a switch to Canada may be in her best interest.
 
Am not aware whether photos and videos from the recent Scarboro show already have been widely circulated. I stumbled across some low-res pics from Michiko Ono ‏@michiko511 showing Gilles/Poirier and Ralph/Hill in their costumes:
G/P SD Mary Poppins: http://twitter.com/michiko511/status/231743905551486976
R/H SD Gigi: http://twitter.com/michiko511/status/231747458391240704
R/H FD Barcelona: http://twitter.com/michiko511/status/231748585551716352

BTW, Alexe Gilles was billed as "Special U.S.A. Guest Skater" - although I have no clue whether that has any significance in terms of her future plans.
http://www.sfsc.on.ca/so_you_think_you_can_judge
 
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PJ Kwong's video of Ralph/Hill's new SD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp47-pmEdAk&feature=youtu.be&a
Video length: 4:33.​
Kwong's caption: "This delightful Short Dance performed by Kharis Ralph and Asher Hill at the Ice Dance Elite exhibition show - summer 2012."​

Per Kwong's Twitter feed, she will be posting a video interview with them and blog entry shortly as well.

ETA:

- Kwong's new blog post on R/H: http://pjkwong.com/?p=1258

- Kwong's new video of her "summer chat" with R/H: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcX_CfaYZ_g&feature=youtu.be&a
Video length: 5:34.​
 
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I agree with geoskate. I've been tracking ice dance scores for all international competitors since 2006. It is certainly not usual for an ice dance team to have a 10+ point improvement from one competition to the next---unless there was a major whoopsie in the first competition.

Judges at domestic competitions do tend to have a more optimistic view of their home competitors.

I believe Alexe Gilles does intend to skate for Canada. She is Piper Gilles' twin sister, BTW. Alexe hasn't been competitive in the US since she was a junior, so a switch to Canada may be in her best interest.


I don’t think there was much home cooking going on at Minto. The ranks of Junior are full of talent. There was only 1 Junior team that trained in Minto and was from Eastern section. I suspect home cooking when the local teams in the local competition get exceptionally high marks that later prove to not stand up internationally or in other competitions outside of Section. That’s why I think Lake Placid and Minto are great places to access where teams are really at without political agendas or local bias. From my perspective, I think it was pretty straight up judging. It makes some sense that marks vary substantially from competition to competition this early in the season. Fixing an illegal element, up-grading a level, smoothing out transitions and footwork, staying on one’s feet can all make a big difference in the marks.

Not sure if this actually belongs in the Minto thread, but since we are discussing Minto here….

There were actually 2 events, not 1 combined event – 10 teams in the SD and 11 in the FD. Minto added a practise on the Sunday morning for the FD, and monitoring after both events were done on the Sunday, with athletes, coaches and judges. Next year they should spread the SD and FD events out a little more, maybe put the SD in the early afternoon on Saturday, and put other events, maybe the Juvenile, Pre-Novice and Novice dance before the Junior FD on Sunday where competitors normally stay and skate instead of drop out. The Senior Men and Ladies events were first, and there were a lot of withdrawals on Sunday. That tends to happen at this time of year in the singles events.

Bent/MacKeen: very much deserved their wins both days. They were clean, precise, well packaged, and with excellent vehicles. I was especially impressed with the tango FD. It was extremely well done. Of all the Scarboro teams, they really are my favourites, and I think they have the most potential over the long-term.

Poulin/Servant: really liked their SD. The soft hip hop was very effective with the blues. But they weren’t entirely clean, and were a little fortunate to be in 2nd place. Their skating skills – smoothness, flow, presentation – were the strongest in my opinion. FD was very good, with well-developed theme. Bent/MacKeen were just really, really strong. It should be noted that these 2 are only Junior for international purposes. I expect Skate Canada to give them 1 spot as the Junior Champions. With so many strong teams, unless a team can make it to the JGP Final, I think Skate Canada should be spreading around assignments as much as possible. We only have 7 guaranteed spots this year.

Marrow/Mulder: This is a striking, beautiful new team. Long lines, strong edges, soft knees, really solid in the feet. They are both quite tall, and are a great match for each other. The SD was very, very strong, and they took home the bronze medal. The blues patterns were the biggest and most precise of the competition. Great presentation. Music was Harlem Nocturne I think, and It Don’t Mean a Thing (If It Ain’t Got that Swing). FD was a different story. Just not as finished as the SD, and this reflected in the marks. Not really sold on the concept of the program, to be honest. A little light and fluffy and schmaltzy for my taste. This team can manage something bigger and more powerful.

Cyr/Brisebois: They have really developed in the off season. I liked them last year, and like them even more this year. They are elegant with beautiful lines. The SD was ok, but the FD was just lovely. Beautiful classical program. She looks like a ballerina. They certainly earned their 3rd place medal in the FD. It will be good to see how they develop more over the season. It will be quite the jockey at Nationals for top 5 positions I think…. Likely 3 from BC, 1 from Western, 1 from Central, and 2 from Quebec.

Desveaux/Razgulajevs: This is another long-time Scarboro team. They had 2 solid performances. They seem to be quite young, and this showed in their performance marks. They have a lot of potential, and I’d put them ahead of some of the other developing teams. They are just up from Novice, so we’ll see how they grow and develop over the next couple of years.

Kuzmich/Hockley: Not a fan of this team. They have improved over last season. He has a wonderful character and personality on the ice. But I often find what they do to be tacky, and the skating and posture to be weak. In my opinion, the SD was tacky, including the costumes. I did not think the hip hop worked with the blues in this format. The FD is much better, but again I think there is so much more depth, maturity and development they could do with that music.

Collins/Seymour: A just up from Novice team that put in a strong showing. They are small and look young, but have good energy and are developing nicely. They have a lot of potential, and it will be interesting to watch them over the next couple of years. They are well packaged, and have very good material.

Glavine/Hough: Another just up from Novice team. They are definitely still a developing team, missing a lot of polish and flow and finesse. In their FD especially, they looked like they were almost trying too hard. They were off unison with each other, and he especially looked a little wild in his movements. They were out of sync with each other. They have confidence and presence, but are developing the skills and presentation.

Croteau-Villeneuve/Barthe: I don’t really remember this team from Novice last year. Not sure if they are a brand new team? They had some significant errors that kept them down in the ranks. They are a well-matched team, but without the strength and skill and maturity of some of the top teams. We’ll see how they develop over the season.

Moyer/Chapplain: Another just up from Novice team. They were missing some key levels on the blues which really hit them hard in the marks in the SD. It’s early in the season yet, and it is clear their programs are still very much in development. Her dress looked like a free skate dress instead of a dance dress. They might just not have everything together yet for the season.

Penkov/Proulx Senecal: This is the other brand new Junior team this Spring. They entered only the FD event. They are well-packaged and well-matched, but they just weren’t ready for competition yet. Maybe it was first competition nerves, or just not yet ready, but it was not a good performance for them, with so many errors, and we’ll have to wait and see in a couple of months how they develop.
 
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Finally got a chance to watch!

I have to say, I liked R/H's SD. It was light, smooth, and showed off their joy and personality. It was a lot like their Cinderella program, I thought. And for that reason, I fear for them once again. As much as I liked Cinderella, it made them look juniorish, and I get the sense watching this that they're going to have the same problem. I had thought they might have broken away from the cutesy stuff after last season, but I think I jumped the gun on that one. As much as this style suits them, I don't think it does them any favours when they're trying to make a name for themselves amongst the world's best seniors.:unsure:

As for Gilles/Poirier, their technical improvement is really noticable, and a couple of those lifts were really cool. Articstically, though, I'm left scratching my head, just like I was over their FD last year. I just don't get it. All of the moves seemed random again, and the music was sort of painful too. I'm hoping they change my mind when i see them live next weekend.
 
Bent/MacKeen have been assigned to the JGP in Graz, Austria, according to the Skate Canada website. That's well-deserved, IMO.

Also, here's the link to the Hasegawa's short dance from the Quebec competition. (posted because they'll be competing at the JGP in France in two weeks. It looks ready to me).
 
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Really looking forwrd to Thornhill and BC/YT this weekend, and I notice both P/I and G/P are on the list of entrants for SLC Senior B next month.
 
Yes, I'm holding my breath to see the scores for G/P and P/I from Thornhill. Will G/P prevail by as many points as they did at Canadians? It's great that we'll also be able to see both teams skate. As far as SLC, we know that P/I were whupped by all three US teams at Lake Placid. I know that Lake Placid doesn't combine scores from the short and long dances, but anyone with enough fingers knows that the highest points went to an Unknown Canadian team from the Afternoon of Schleppers at last years Canadians.
 
To be fair, P/I had a fall in their FD. They had the 4th highest SD score (48.18)of all the teams, behind Chock/Bates (54.94), Orford/Williams (50.57) and Cannuscio/McManus (48.90).

Interesting that Gilles/Poirier and P/I face off against one another at this week's Thornhill and at the US International "B" in SLC Sept 13-16. The latter will provide an ISU assessment of the two teams.
 
Granted P/I have been a hard luck team as seniors. The interesting thing to me is Thornhill. At last year's Evening of Champions competition, G/P beat P/I by 17.06 points, Now that they have been together another 8 months, will we see that margin of superiority increased, or are P/I gaining on them? I can hardly wait.

ETA: Oh, the Suspense!
 
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Really looking forwrd to Thornhill and BC/YT this weekend, and I notice both P/I and G/P are on the list of entrants for SLC Senior B next month.

Correct choices made. Personally, I would've rather seen Ralph/Hill instead of Gillies/Poirier (only one GP for the former means they need all the points they can get), but if they can get in at Nebelhorn or Finlandia, it'll be okay.
 
Correct choices made. Personally, I would've rather seen Ralph/Hill instead of Gillies/Poirier (only one GP for the former means they need all the points they can get), but if they can get in at Nebelhorn or Finlandia, it'll be okay.

I agree on all counts. I feel a little "What the ?" in regard to R/H 's assignments , so far..I guess it's " Stay tuned ..details as they develop."
 
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