Translation of the conversation between Channel One journalist Pavel Zanozin (Z) with Anna Shcherbakova (A) and Daniil Gleikhengauz (D). The conversation took place back in Beijing, the day after the awards ceremony. The video has been blocked, unfortunately. Part of this conversation was published by someone with English subtitles, but only part of it:
Z: And now - the newly-minted Olympic champion, Anna Shcherbakova, is on our live broadcast! We have a unique opportunity to communicate with her. And Daniil Gleikhengauz, who also does not leave his beloved student at the most pleasant moments, and this is very cool. Friends, hello!
A: Hello!
D: Hello.
Z: I understand that there are not very many emotions now. Probably even less than you had yesterday, Anya, when you went out to reporters. You know, as if nothing special had happened - well, she became an Olympic champion, so what, the usual thing, right?
A: If I really realized this, then, probably, the emotions would be different. So far, it’s just that even the understanding has not come to me that everything has already happened ...
Z: Although at the end of the skating you still had this gesture (shows). Daniil also gave you to understand with a gesture that everything is fine. (to Daniil) Tell me, what did you feel at that moment, what did you think? I can hardly imagine how much nervous energy was expended.
D: The best feeling I want to have is when an athlete comes out and cleanly performs his program, and I understand that at the moment it would be impossible to perform even better. Therefore, when Anya finished her FS, I was proud that today, now, just like in the short program, it was perfect skating. And it happened at the Olympics, there were no mistakes, and I could not experience anything but pride, because all this is happening here and now - an unforgettable feeling.
Z: Before that, there was Sasha, and after that it was necessary to take care of Kamila ...
D: We have to change very quickly because that's our job. Emotionally it is very difficult, and I do not even want to delve into the question of how difficult it is to experience these emotions. As soon as our time in Kiss and Cry ends, after we hear the scores, I have to quickly switch, move on to another athlete and fully focus on the next performance. All other emotions will come later.
Z: Anya, after the announcement of the marks, you went to this green room and sat in the first place, watched Camila perform. We all watched [her performance] and wept. How did you feel at that moment? Your fate was decided - you could become an Olympic champion or just a silver medalist. Just a silver! Ha!
A: To be honest, at that moment I was completely immersed in my thoughts and, probably, I tried to convince myself, to understand ... I asked myself the question: “Do you even understand that your FS has just ended? This is what you have been preparing for so long.” And so I asked myself this question, do I understand what actually just happened. But at the same time, of course, I watched Kamila's performance and was very worried, because as an athlete I perfectly understand her feelings. After the first jump, it became clear that her skating was hard. I, as an athlete, feel the same, worry, and, of course, I was also very worried about Kamila.
But at the same time, there was such a strong devastation in me that I almost didn’t feel anything for myself. Probably, after the announcement of all the results, there was such a emptyness that the emotions seemed to have completely disappeared.
Z: All these days before the start of single skating, there was a lot of talk about Kamila. Everyone was talking about it, and the very fact that such a situation arose came as a shock to everyone. How did it affect you? Maybe the pressure on you has eased a little - on you and on Sasha?
A: To be honest, before the start of the competition, I was so focused on my skates and on some of my feelings and problems that I completely pulled away [from the situation with Kamila] and thought only about myself, because I also stroved to this moment for a very long time , I had a lot of my goals and ambitions, different experiences. Therefore, probably, before the competition, before my performances, all thoughts were only about my programs, about how I could show the best skating. Thus, before the tournament, this situation did not affect me.
Z: Even in a positive way, because…
A: No, I don't think it affected me at all. In general, I just prepared and continued to do it.
Z: Daniil, let's remember...
D: Same question for me?
Z: No, not the same question. Let's remember how you first saw Anya Shcherbakova.
A: Unexpectedly topic change ...
Z: I'm just wondering how it was. How old were you then? Nine, right?
D: No, a little more than 9...
A: Ten, probably.
Z: Ten.
D: Yes, just then I came to the group to Eteri Georgievna. I was still very young, green, ambitious guy. And besides those trainings that we had at Khrustalny, Anya and I went to additional classes at the skating rink, which was located nearby. We went there before morning training, and Anya was one of the children who was entrusted to me to try to prove themselves and improve their skills. They needed extra classes, and that's how we started to work harder than during normal training days. That's how I got to know her parents better. Three times a week we went [to these extra classes] and worked on gliding and jumping. Just at that moment there was a “breakthrough” - as I was told, before that, for almost a whole year, Anya could not perform a triple jump, although all the coaches, including Eteri Georgievna, understood that this element should already appear. The only question was when Anna will make the first landing, and from that moment she will go further. That is exactly what happened. She landed a triple toe loop, and then in about a month she mastered all the other triple jumps, which actually happens very rarely in our sport.
A: The last one was the double axel…
D: Yes! The most recent was a double axel, oddly enough. Right after that, we broke into a very important season (laughs).
A: At that time it seemed that this was the most important season ...
D: I just remember now all my emotions when we went to the children's preliminaries. This is the Moscow Championship, a special children's program of the Russian Championship. And I called Eteri Georgievna and told me about every training session, about every skate - what we did or didn’t do there, why we took this or that place, something else. Now I just imagine how tolerant she was to my emotional calls at that moment, during the preparation of older athletes for the Grand Prix final, for the World Championship - and we are there in Moscow with our children's competitions. "We jumped a triple toe loop!" (everyone laughs) "We were selected for the children's championship of Russia!".
Z(to Anna): Do you remember the moment of your first triple jump? What happened then that didn't work before?
A: Yes, I remember training when I got my first triple jump. But, perhaps, then all this was somehow less conscious. Therefore, I cannot say now what exactly I could not do for a whole year before. But really, something changed very dramatically in me, I got the feeling of a triple jump, and then, yes, the learning process began very quickly, and from that moment on, training became much more interesting for me. Before that - a year of monotonous work without any special results.
Z: And the next jump - already on quads? Actually, we are already used to the fact that quads are normal, but you [with Sasha] were the first to start doing them. Have you ever imagined what kind of revolution you are making?
A: It seems to me that at that time we did not imagine this. Well, maybe the coaches in their imagination have already seen how we will perform all this at the competitions, but at that moment it seemed that we were really trying something new and it was interesting - would it work? For example, I was not sure that in a few years quadruple jumps would become a regular part of our free program. Personally, I then tried a quadruple sheepskin coat out of interest, I wanted to succeed. I wanted to prove to myself that it was possible. But of course, I had no idea that...
D: That then you will have to do this all your life ...
A (laughs): Yes!
Z: And who came up with this, and how did it happen at all, that [the coaches] decided that the girls would do quadruple jumps, although nothing like this had happened before.
D: No, well, in fact, there were cases in history when girls performed quadruple jumps ...
Z: Well, there were attempts...
D: There were attempts, and they did a triple axel, and jumped a quadruple salchow ... But there really was no feeling that this should become some kind of routine. There really are no reasons why girls could not perform quads. These reasons were only in our heads, because at some point everyone decided that boys should do quadruple jumps, and girls should only do triple jumps. Well, everyone is used to it. But we have a new, very talented generation of girls, and with the right technique, their capabilities were already visible when performing triple jumps. When we saw that this reserve appeared and that triple jumps were performed easily by girls, we began to think that we need to move somewhere further. Of course, all this was gradual, because at that time Alina and Zhenya were training. Then we moved all the jumps in their programs to the second half in order to get extra points for this. We were looking for options for programs with cascades, for example, the Lutz Rittberger that Alina had - so that there would be even more points. And it was clear that in general we had reached the peak here.
What Alina did in 2018 in terms of technical evaluation was the maximum in both programs. And if you do not add a triple axel or quadruple jumps, further movement would become impossible. Therefore, we understood that it was necessary to develop figure skating further. Having such talented girls and seeing that their progress in the performance of triple jumps has reached the required level, we realized that it is time for Sergey Viktorovich [Dudakov] to take up the lounge and with the help of this support and a very large volume of foam rubber, learn new elements.
Z: (to Anna) Do you still skate in pants with a lot of foam rubber in training?
A: Yes, but now these pants at least look better, because when I studied the very first quadruple jumps, in these pants I looked like SpongeBob - there were such huge pillows there (laughs).
D: Yes, I recently watched a video on my own Instagram with one of Anya's first quadruple toe loop. At that moment it didn’t seem so to me, but now, when she has already grown up, it is very noticeable that there really is some kind of SpongeBob.
A: (laughs) Yes!
Z: Well, there are far fewer bruises, no matter what it looks like. Now you have already come to something serious, there are already quadruple jumps - and then that terrible story happens. Daniil, if you can, remember how it was. It seems that this happened in the summer of 2017?
A: Yes...
D: Oh yes... It was in Novogorsk, and that day I had the first day off when I did not come to training. I remember that I was driving a car when Eteri Georgievna or Sergey Viktorovich called me (I don’t even remember who exactly) and I found out about it. I immediately went to the hospital, where Anya was taken. Well, what can I say... Maybe it's even a good thing that I didn't see it myself, because I don't know how I would have survived it. But it was a very difficult moment and a difficult period. I think Anya can tell more about it, because she was the one who went through it. For our part, we did everything we could to help her cope with this. Then there was a very difficult period of recovery. But we see that everything was overcome, and everything was not in vain.
Z: That's right! (to Anna) If possible, show again so that everyone understands that everything was not in vain.
(Anna raises and shows the gold medal)
Z: (to Daniil) Anya and I already discussed this - once again I want to go back to last summer, when some strange nonsense also happened with a broken little finger. That's what you thought at that moment - you wanted to give her a cuff or say: “Gods, how?! What a little finger, we have the Olympics soon! ?
D: Well, I was angry, I can’t say anything (laughs). Even though I saw her alive and well as I walked past her into the dining room, and 15 minutes after I had eaten, she was already sitting on the couch with her finger pointing the other way.
Z: Anya, tell me how you broke ...
A (laughs): Well, stupid story, I don't even want to go into details. It happened on my day off. Injuries received in training are still a little different, this is work, but here I reproached myself, because I understood that I was losing training time due to some stupidity. Therefore, I wanted to quickly forget this moment and never remember it again, and, I don’t know ...
D: Don't break your little finger anymore.
A (laughs): Yes!
Z: Could any of you at that moment imagine that you would become an Olympic champion?
A: At that moment, there was no time for such thoughts at all.
Z: But it’s the Olympic season and you still went to this all the years while you were engaged in figure skating?
D: That's why this is the last thing I would like to see at the beginning of a sports camp, when ...
A: There was just another story: I arrived from vacation a few days before the start of the sports camp and even then I started training. It seemed to me that if I started three days earlier, it would be very important for me. These three days, each of which counts ... That's when the thoughts really were about the Olympic season. It seemed to me that I needed to get in shape without wasting a second. Every day seemed very valuable, I wanted to be ahead of time and prepare for the season in such a way as to approach it fully armed at the beginning. And at that moment, when I so appreciated every workout and every day - because of one stupidity, I lost two or three months of full-fledged training. With such thoughts, it was hard to sit and think about what I had done. But, probably, nothing could be done about it, it was necessary just to get out of this situation in all possible ways.
Z(to Daniil): We know that Anya has a unique feature - to get ready at the right time and show the maximum. So it was at all the most important tournaments in her career. Do you understand why this is happening? When it seems that everything is bad, everything is not right - and suddenly bam - she goes out and does something brilliant.
D: Well, everyone has their own talent. And I think that this is just her talent, her feature. To do this, you need to be a very strong internally and self-confident person. But in any case, this should be backed up by training. Because if you can go out and show more, that's great and it's very important, but you have to have a base that you build on. Therefore, when it is 100% ready, it means that it is able to show 120-130%. And if the form is only 50%, then you get 70-80%, and this is not enough for clean skating and a good result. Therefore, during the training process, you still can’t think that you will just go out and do that today’s result is not important. We still want to see [a high level of performance] in training. It is clear that it is difficult to show such a maximum every day and remain perfect, but you cannot lower the bar below a certain level.
Z (to Anna): For me, your image looks like such an excellent student who always wants to do everything perfectly and well. Do you really do this every training session, or do you also have moments when you are lazy?
(Anna laughs embarrassedly)
Z: Well, just now let's try to show not ideal Anna Shcherbakova.
(Anna thinks for a long time, then starts laughing again)
A: It’s so embarrassing to talk about it, and there’s also a coach behind my back ... No, well, of course, I’m not an ideal person and I certainly don’t stay in the image of an excellent student every day. I often have difficulties in training. I think this was evident from the broadcasts of training before performances at competitions. If only everything was so perfect...
Z: But it's obviously not laziness, because you have problems with jumping, but judging by what I've seen, you always try. We see little, for us, unfortunately, this is a closed process.
D: You yourself answered for her, and she does not mind, as I understand it ...
Z: Well, a modest, modest girl, of course ...
A: Let it stay inside the training process.
Z: Yes, especially since it all ends like this: three-time Russian champion, world champion, Olympic champion.
A: In training, we work in order to show results in competitions. Therefore, let everything that happens in training stay in training. (laughs) I just thought and came up with the answer. That's what happens at the competition - it's for the audience.