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whaaaat? What does Mirai cutting practice have to do with Cohen? But where did that rumor come from?

I believe it was grossano who said he saw that Sasha was not at practice on Friday. Someone asked who was there and i think the answer was Evan and Carolina were practicing but not Mirai.

I have no idea what that might mean........
and I was kidding sort of.
Mirai is my girl :cool:
 
Back to Sasha - 2002 - why can't our US girls give us something more like this?

The fire is missing - maybe Mirai will bring it by next season

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEZoyGyxsAo&feature=related

That was gorgeous. Thanks for posting. Never get tired of that program. I didn't realize she tried 2 triple-triples there, one landed very cleanly. Sorry, but Mirai and Alissa can never top this. There is only one Sasha in a lifetime.
 
I believe it was grossano who said he saw that Sasha was not at practice on Friday. Someone asked who was there and i think the answer was Evan and Carolina were practicing but not Mirai.

I have no idea what that might mean........
and I was kidding sort of.
Mirai is my girl :cool:

Don't make more of things than they were folks. Evan and Carolina where at Lake Arrowhead. Who knows what Mirai was up to, or Sasha. Don't know. No info on the others is no info. Nothing more. There are a lot of other rinks in So. Cal.
 
Don't make more of things than they were folks. Evan and Carolina where at Lake Arrowhead. Who knows what Mirai was up to, or Sasha. Don't know. No info on the others is no info. Nothing more. There are a lot of other rinks in So. Cal.

Evan and Carolina were at East West IP two days ago...hockey at Toyota..Thanksgiving time...lots of hockey around So Cal.
EWIP also had synchro buy much of the ice not given to hockey.

Aliso, Anaheim and YL all had hockey tournies...so too not to many other places for figure skating...either Lake Arrowhead or take the weekend off.
 
Don't make more of things than they were folks. Evan and Carolina where at Lake Arrowhead. Who knows what Mirai was up to, or Sasha. Don't know. No info on the others is no info. Nothing more. There are a lot of other rinks in So. Cal.

All this is confusing me. Is Toyota Sports Center closed? Why were Evan Mirari and Carolina at East West? Is somebody skating at Sasha' rink on a regular basis to know that she is not there one day? I thought Sasha was in Orange County now with Mr. Nicks? man.
 
All this is confusing me. Is Toyota Sports Center closed? Why were Evan Mirari and Carolina at East West?
crzesk8dad posted above that there's been "hockey at Toyota" (El Segundo rink) and that Evan Lysacek and Carolina Kostner were at East West (Artesia rink) "2 days ago" (Thanksgiving Thursday, I assume), while gsrossano mentioned that Lysacek and Kostner were sighted skating at Lake Arrowhead on Friday. No one has mentioned seeing Mirai Nagasu practicing during the Thanksgiving weekend in this thread (although someone I know mentioned having seen her looking good in a practice within the past couple of days, so there's no need for anyone to assume she's been "cutting" practice ;)).

Is somebody skating at Sasha' rink on a regular basis to know that she is not there one day? I thought Sasha was in Orange County now with Mr. Nicks? man.
I don't believe anyone has posted recently in this thread about seeing Cohen practice at Aliso Viejo?

I came across these tweets from November 17 about the Pepto-Bismol lunch in NYC: http://twitter.com/LynnRutherford
Oly sponsor Pepto-Bismol had a lunch with S. Cohen in NYC. She's breaking in new skates, 4th or 5th pair this season, but is feeling better.
Said she will begin training again all out tomorrow, part with Arutunian, part with Nicks, and hopes to do a 7-triple program at nationals.

This brief video clip of Cohen doing a footwork sequence into a forward scratch spin at the Rockefeller Center rink is dated (was uploaded on?) November 24 but I assume may have been filmed when she was in NYC for the Pepto-Bismol lunch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPM8xCC4JIY
 
Thanks for posting Sasha's Rahmaninov program.
Somebody mentioned in another thread that listening some music makes you think of Michelle Kwan, for me listening to Rahmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto makes me think of Sasha. She had perfect intropretation of this music and beautiful program made by TT.
 
That was gorgeous. Thanks for posting. Never get tired of that program. I didn't realize she tried 2 triple-triples there, one landed very cleanly. Sorry, but Mirai and Alissa can never top this. There is only one Sasha in a lifetime.

First off, good. I'm glad there is "only one Sasha" because in this day and age of cookie cutter COP programs, there needs to be variety and that comes through in the skater's personality. I get what people are saying about Sasha's killer attitude being what kept her on the podiums despite mistakes, I agree. That's the difference in Sasha Vs Alissa-Alissa seems to skate as if she doesn't believe she deserves to be there, whereas Sasha skates with the belief she is the best. IMO, that was the difference for Kimmie too-she skated the best of her life at 2006 Worlds and deserved the title but the feeling at the end was different than when Michelle, Irina, Tara would win a big championship-it felt like disbelief, like,"WHAT did I just do?!" instead of a laying down the gauntlet, a "Beat that!" type of satisfaction.

That all said-I believe Mirai has all the tools to be the next best thing for US Ladies Skating, but it will take time, and of course, it remains to be seen if she'll stay healthy. She does need more confidence, but I believe her growth spurt hit her at the wrong time-both affecting her confidence and has impacted her physically. She has all the pieces-has the basics, speed, spins and spirals, the attitude and presence. She needs to go back and reclaim that sassy confidence we saw as a Jr and in the SP at 2008 Nats. If she can rotate those jumps...she seems to have the ability to stand up when it counts, but URs kill her. Rachael has all that, but she lacks that "IT" presence I believe Mirai possesses. She has terrific basics, super consistency and great jumps, just so s-l-o-w and aside from her initial layback position, needs work on spins and spirals. But she has a lot of confidence, so she may go places. If we could just combine their strengths, we'd have the Super Skater!

I think COP has ended the trend of a sudden superstar at 15, 16 years old. We Americans have been spoiled by Michelle, Tara, NNN, Sarah, Sasha, Kimmie (even Emily, she may have her issues but she brought a lot of pizzazz and command to the ice)-they all came up and stole the show. I really thought Caroline was going to follow in their footsteps. She appeared to have all the pieces, just lacked speed and power, but as she got taller, she seems to have been left behind technically. She did remind me of a young Sasha-came across SO well on TV, but in person was just too slow and small to fill the ice. Sasha outgrew that. I hope Caroline can. But for now, I think our best hope is Mirai, but in the next quad.

Back O/T to Sasha-I think that Rach jump layout is what Sasha hopes to complete this season.We can pretend the 3/3 attempt was a 3flip/3toe since it was an obvious flutz. The 3toe^3salchow sequence would need to be reworked to meet COP requirements, but I think that was the cleanest I ever saw her land that sequence. I would expect her to switch the 2nd flip/flutz (no idea what she attempted) for a 2nd salchow, and then have a 3 combo with the flip. She won't max out potential jumping points with this layout (repeating 3toe and 3salchow) especially since she doesn't get many +GOE's for her jumps but if she can go clean (I know, I know...) this layout should hold her in good stead. And I think her salchow (and axle) is her best shot at +GOE's. Of the top competitors only Miki and Joannie seem to go for 7 triples, and both repeat the lutz-Joannie also repeats the salchow, Mikki (seems like she) repeats the toe.

I'm getting SO excited for Nationals!!!
 
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crzesk8dad posted above that there's been "hockey at Toyota" (El Segundo rink) and that Evan Lysacek and Carolina Kostner were at East West (Artesia rink) "2 days ago" (Thanksgiving Thursday, I assume), while gsrossano mentioned that Lysacek and Kostner were sighted skating at Lake Arrowhead on Friday. No one has mentioned seeing Mirai Nagasu practicing during the Thanksgiving weekend in this thread (although someone I know mentioned having seen her looking good in a practice within the past couple of days..

Sylvia,

I believe the point that gsrossano and I were trying to make, and you further explained, is that with all the rinks we have in SoCal...they are very busy on Thanksgiving weekend (mainly hockey "turkey shoots") and not to take skaters being at other rinks or even taking some well deserved time off, too seriously.

All will be back to normal, soon. :clap:

Plus some that are in the GP/JGP final are leaving this weekend or Monday for Tokyo.
 
But she did fall. She also completed 4 clean triples to Michelle's 6 and Sarah's 5 (with a 3/3). IMO, I think the greater "wuz robbed" argument was why Sarah was 3rd and not 2nd.


I think this is such a subjective matter. For me, I prefer Michelle to Sasha because of her ability to make me feel she is skating for me-or as Dick once said,"She makes you love her, makes you feel she loves you. That's a great quality to have." Sasha has a more introverted, private style. I've used this analogy before, but for me, her skating has a snowglobe effect: you are captivated by the beauty, but at a distance.

R.D...I'm guessing you are getting at Kimmie being held up more in 2008, being the reigning Nat Champ, and a World Champ, but she really did skate poorly. I wish she could've repeated.

I have this thing where everytime I watch a video of Sasha's skating I love her best and then I watch one of Michelle's best performances and think, "no way, there's just no matching her passion and emotion."

I can never decide between the two of them.

They are different and both unique and special. I think Sasha showed an ability to skate to a larger variety of music than Michelle, though. And I wouldn't say she's an introverted skater, especially in later years. Her exhibition program to "Don't Rain on my Parade" is anything but introverted. She shows a real love for entertaining audiences here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnT9...71FE7DCD&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=24
 
Exhibitions are different though. Look at Mao, Caroline. But I dunno...I never truly got a great audience connection from Sasha myself. I always felt she was skating more to draw us into her world. Sorry if that makes no sense! Subjectivity and all...

That said, I think Michelle showed a great deal of variety especially during her peak years. Salome, Lyra, Red Violin, Rach...some of her signature pieces, all had different themes.

I personally preferred Sasha's SP's, I think she took risks there, and let her personality shine through but her LPs were all pretty much the same theme and repetitive. For that reason, I was happy to hear her SP is to Espana Cani, but not happy her LP is to Moonlight Sonata.

But like said before, it is a subjective matter! I don't think you have to compare skaters or put one down to build up another, it's all about what catches your attention most. And yes, I believe they are both unique and special.
 
Exhibitions are different though. Look at Mao, Caroline. But I dunno...I never truly got a great audience connection from Sasha myself. I always felt she was skating more to draw us into her world. Sorry if that makes no sense! Subjectivity and all...

That said, I think Michelle showed a great deal of variety especially during her peak years. Salome, Lyra, Red Violin, Rach...some of her signature pieces, all had different themes.

I personally preferred Sasha's SP's, I think she took risks there, and let her personality shine through but her LPs were all pretty much the same theme and repetitive. For that reason, I was happy to hear her SP is to Espana Cani, but not happy her LP is to Moonlight Sonata.

But like said before, it is a subjective matter! I don't think you have to compare skaters or put one down to build up another, it's all about what catches your attention most. And yes, I believe they are both unique and special.

Sasha myself. I always felt she was skating more to draw us into her world

Sounds like a compliment to me :p

I agree Sasha was at her best in her SPs. But her Romeo and Juliet LP also gave me shivers, much more than any of her other LPs. Just too bad she never did it perfectly.
I have mixed feelings about the Moonlight Sonata choice too.:disapp:
 
I have this thing where everytime I watch a video of Sasha's skating I love her best and then I watch one of Michelle's best performances and think, "no way, there's just no matching her passion and emotion."

I can never decide between the two of them.

They are different and both unique and special. I think Sasha showed an ability to skate to a larger variety of music than Michelle, though. And I wouldn't say she's an introverted skater, especially in later years. Her exhibition program to "Don't Rain on my Parade" is anything but introverted. She shows a real love for entertaining audiences here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnT9...71FE7DCD&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=24


Thanks, it was nice to see that program again.

When I think of modern or jazzy/Broadway style skating I think of more of Sasha and Oksana. They were both such good dancers!

Did Michelle ever do anything but classical for competition and Pop ballads for encores?

Or anything like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6AE...F8D40FA8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=96
 
Thanks, it was nice to see that program again.

When I think of modern or jazzy/Broadway style skating I think of more of Sasha and Oksana. They were both such good dancers!

Did Michelle ever do anything but classical for competition and Pop ballads for encores?

Or anything like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6AE...F8D40FA8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=96

Ahhhhh... I have such a better appreciation for Oskana's two Olympic programs these days. It's hard to imagine any of today's skater doing something that different and fun.
 
I really would like to see both of Sasha's programs so I can see how she has progressed since Torino.

Now, Sasha is attending Nationals, ........... right?? :unsure:
 
Layfan said:
Sounds like a compliment to me
It IS a compliment. I just feel she has a more introverted style, same goes for Johnny Weir. I have enjoyed both over the years. I just prefer the reach out to audience, heart on sleeve type of performer. And for me, that is Michelle.

Did Michelle ever do anything but classical for competition and Pop ballads for encores?

There have been a couple strays, like "A Day In The Life," which is not a fave of mine. I love pop ballads on Michelle, though! I would've been disappointed if she skated to say,"Pump it," by Blackeyed peas instead of Groban's "You Raise Me Up." And one of my fave exhibitions from Michelle is "The World is not Enough" by Garbage, which is not a pop ballad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8rP_CfyByQ

It would be an interesting topic, though, what skaters have used more non-classical pieces? Unfortunately most stay with the tried and true.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8rP_CfyByQ

It would be an interesting topic, though, what skaters have used more non-classical pieces? Unfortunately most stay with the tried and true.

Thanks for the clip but that is typical Michelle - great but not much variety as she is always playing the heroine struggling against some unseen force.

I guess she didn't feel comfortable doing a jazz or broadway style program.

I think Michelle is the greater skater but Sasha certainly was able to be light, spunky, happy, playful, sassy, impish, and interpret jazzy stuff which I have never seen Michelle do.

Maybe there are some Gala programs where Michelle did something that required a different skill set and much different image or a variation in her personality. She is always so serious.....
 
Thanks for the clip but that is typical Michelle - great but not much variety as she is always playing the heroine struggling against some unseen force.

Huh? :scratch: Lyra Angelica, Rachmaninov, East of Eden? How was she struggling against some force in those?


I think Michelle is the greater skater but Sasha certainly was able to be light, spunky, happy, playful, sassy, impish, and interpret jazzy stuff which I have never seen Michelle do.

Maybe there are some Gala programs where Michelle did something that required a different skill set and much different image or a variation in her personality. She is always so serious.....

I don't get how you don't see how Michelle showed variation. Romanza, Salome, Dream of Desdemona, Taj Mahal, Rachmaninov, Lyra Angelica, Ariane, The Red Violen, etc. etc.

Maybe she didn't portray "jazzy" or "sassy". However, Sasha could never project the joy or happiness that Michelle could get across. She had the power to move people - even non skating fans.
 
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