Any Sasha updates?

[janetfan]

Michelle never won Olympic Gold and was an amazing skater and still is remembered as one today. What is the point? Is Michelle planning a comeback too?

I just think it would be nice if some of the other US ladies got a chance to go to the Olympics, Sasha already went and did great and I'm not sure that her jumping in at the last minute is really fair to do.

Why isn't it fair and who isn't it fair too?
First of all, she hasn't skated yet this season so you are accusing her of being unfair just for trying to train?

And your point from your previous post - that Yuna will win anyway doesn't make sense either because if Sasha can beat the other US Ladies and Yuna can beat Sasha then Yuna can also beat the other US Ladies.

So what difference does it make - other than the fact that you are not a Sasha fan?

Us Natls is supposed to be a competitive event with the winner getting a big reward this season. Sasha has a much right to compete under the rules as the other girls.

I happen to be a big Mirai fan - but if she bombs then she will sit home and think about it like the others.

 

[MKFSfan]

We are all just speculating here! What more can we do since there is no news to discuss???

Here is more speculation: what jump layout do you guys think Sasha will attempt...or should attempt...given what we know of her? In 2006, it looked like:

3lz/2t/2lp 8.8
3fl 5.5
3lp 5
3fl/2t x 7.48
3t^3s x 7.5
2a x 3.85
3s x 4.95
For a base total of: 43.08

If the rumors are right that Sasha hopes to include a 3f/3t, I wonder if she is trying for:

3lz/2t/2lp 8.8
3f/3t 9.5
3lp 5
3f x 6.05
2a^3s x 6.8
3s x 4.95
2a x 3.85
For a base total of 44.95

I like the 2nd scenario-7 triples and 2 2axles. And if she falls on the 3flip, she could either do a 3t^3s or replace 2nd 2axle with a solo 3toe.

In contrast, Yu-Na's start value for her 6 triple LP is 45.45.

Joannie's start value is 43.61 points.

Miki's start value is 42.25 points.

Rachael's start value is 46.61.



This is fun!!!...bored to death at work...

 

[Tinymavy15]

If Sasha is indeed planning a 3 flip/ 3 toe makese wonder of she, like mao is not planning a triple lutz for fear for getting a edge call. Otherwise I would think she would try for a lutz combo. This the brings up the question of what she would do in her SP. Maybe 3 flip/ 2 toe, 3 loop and 2 Axel. Would she risk a 3/3 in the short? I doubt it.

 

[i love to skate]

How many times has Sasha landed a 3-3 in competition? I really cannot see her suddenly being able to do one consistently enough to put it in her pogram. I think her jump layout is going to look very similar to 2006 - with some adjustments because of her flutz.

 

[gkelly]

How many times has Sasha landed a 3-3 in competition?

As far as I know, once. 2003 Worlds LP

 

[Mathman]

..............and 150 of those were your posts or should I say gushing. Matter of fact back then you used to be a little bit more fun, what's happened?????

Michelle retired.

 

[R.D.]

...but her influence on the boards remains.

 

[MKFSfan]

If Sasha is indeed planning a 3 flip/ 3 toe makese wonder of she, like mao is not planning a triple lutz for fear for getting a edge call. Otherwise I would think she would try for a lutz combo. This the brings up the question of what she would do in her SP. Maybe 3 flip/ 2 toe, 3 loop and 2 Axel. Would she risk a 3/3 in the short? I doubt it.

When she debuted her "Espana" program at a gala earlier this year, wasn't it reported she attempt the 3lutz, falling on it, and in another program doubled it? Since we didn't hear anything of a 3flip, I assume that means she is trying to get the muscle memory down for the combo, and maybe is going for the 3lz as a solo jump in her SP.

I think she is better off sticking with no 3/3 in the SP and if the lutz is still a flutz (looked like it in the amateur clip from the gala) I think she's better off with a 3f/2t (or 2lp) and solo 3lp. The penalty "e" on the lutz could reduce start value to equal a loop anyway and she's more likely to get +GOEs on a well executed loop over a flutz.

If I were to bet on it, I would say Sasha will stick with the layout from 2006 and repeat the flip and salchow, take the "e" call on the lutz so that she can have a 7 triple program.

 

[janetfan]

How many times has Sasha landed a 3-3 in competition? I really cannot see her suddenly being able to do one consistently enough to put it in her pogram. I think her jump layout is going to look very similar to 2006 - with some adjustments because of her flutz.

How many 3x3's has Joannie landed this season?
How many 3x3's were landed at the GPF?

Don't you think Olympic pressure will be maybe 10 times greater than the GPF?

I am starting wonder if Joannie has ever finished ahead of Sasha at an event?

Is that what you worry about - otherwise it seems odd for a Canadian to want Sasha out so badly? :scratch:

 

[silverlake22]

Why isn't it fair and who isn't it fair too?
First of all, she hasn't skated yet this season so you are accusing her of being unfair just for trying to train?

And your point from your previous post - that Yuna will win anyway doesn't make sense either because if Sasha can beat the other US Ladies and Yuna can beat Sasha then Yuna can also beat the other US Ladies.

So what difference does it make - other than the fact that you are not a Sasha fan?

Us Natls is supposed to be a competitive event with the winner getting a big reward this season. Sasha has a much right to compete under the rules as the other girls.

I happen to be a big Mirai fan - but if she bombs then she will sit home and think about it like the others.

I wasn't talking about the training, I meant that if she shows up at nats and gets 1st or 2nd then go to the Olympics it wouldn't really be fair to everyone else because she's competed once in the past 3 years. Didn't USFSA say they were going to look at the results from the GP season and worlds/junior worlds last year to make a decision? If Sasha does well at one competition, it's not telling enough. Mirai had a great short at CoC, Rachael had a great long at SA, Ashley had a great long at GPF and Alissa had a great short at SC but we all know none of them have been doing tremendously this season.

The thing I meant about Yuna is that, yes, obviously she is capable of beating any US lady (anyone really if she is on), but the other contenders for the US Olympic team do not already have an Olympic silver under there belt like Sasha. I bet the goals of Mirai, Ashley, Rachael, Caroline, and Alissa are to GO to the Olympics this year, the goal of Sasha is obviously to WIN the Olympics because if that wasn't her goal she wouldn't be doing this.

So yes, obviously Sasha should feel free to compete at nationals, but if she comes in 1st or 2nd (especially because if she does it will probably be due to hugely inflated PCS) the USFSA should think twice before sending her, especially if she's still injured. That's all I meant.

 

[janetfan]

I wasn't talking about the training, I meant that if she shows up at nats and gets 1st or 2nd then go to the Olympics it wouldn't really be fair to everyone else because she's competed once in the past 3 years. Didn't USFSA say they were going to look at the results from the GP season and worlds/junior worlds last year to make a decision? If Sasha does well at one competition, it's not telling enough. Mirai had a great short at CoC, Rachael had a great long at SA, Ashley had a great long at GPF and Alissa had a great short at SC but we all know none of them have been doing tremendously this season.

The thing I meant about Yuna is that, yes, obviously she is capable of beating any US lady (anyone really if she is on), but the other contenders for the US Olympic team do not already have an Olympic silver under there belt like Sasha. I bet the goals of Mirai, Ashley, Rachael, Caroline, and Alissa are to GO to the Olympics this year, the goal of Sasha is obviously to WIN the Olympics because if that wasn't her goal she wouldn't be doing this.

So yes, obviously Sasha should feel free to compete at nationals, but if she comes in 1st or 2nd (especially because if she does it will probably be due to hugely inflated PCS) the USFSA should think twice before sending her, especially if she's still injured. That's all I meant.

If Sasha does show up and skate at Natls - and the judges give her huge pcs - doesn't that mean something? Would it be a signal of sorts?

Who knows what will happen? Sasha may show at Natls and bomb.

I think having Sasha in the mix adds a little spice to the weakest group of US Ladies since the early 1960's.

 

[Mathman]

How many 3x3's were landed at the GPF?

That was such a good question that I looked it up. Four.

Joannie Rochette landed a 3T-3S sequence in the senior ladies LP, and in the junior ladies' SP there were Polina Shelepova (3Lz+3T), Kanako Marakami (3T+3T), and Ksenia Makarova (3T+3T).

 

[gkelly]

I think having Sasha in the mix adds a little spice to the weakest group of US Ladies since the early 1960's.

Weakest in what sense?

E.g., in 1995 the top two US ladies went 3-4 at Worlds, and the US bronze medalist theoretically could have been top 10 if the US had had three spots, and if she had skated well.

After that, there really weren't any US senior ladies that year who could hold their own internationally. Kyoko Ina was best of the rest at Nationals and she didn't have many triples.

 

[silverlake22]

If Sasha does show up and skate at Natls - and the judges give her huge pcs - doesn't that mean something? Would it be a signal of sorts?

Who knows what will happen? Sasha may show at Natls and bomb.

I think having Sasha in the mix adds a little spice to the weakest group of US Ladies since the early 1960's.

A signal that Sasha can't jump and needs PCS to be competitive? Maybe. But that's kind of the name of the game now that no one lands a lot of triples regularly anymore.

Ouch, they aren't really that bad are they? I mean, Caroline and Rachael can hit 6-7 triple LPs regularly. Alissa and Mirai can be great if the jumps are on. I guess they all skate pretty slowly (except Mirai) but technically I wouldn't say Sasha or Emily or any of the other has beens are really better

 

[i love to skate]

How many 3x3's has Joannie landed this season?
How many 3x3's were landed at the GPF?

Don't you think Olympic pressure will be maybe 10 times greater than the GPF?

I am starting wonder if Joannie has ever finished ahead of Sasha at an event?

Is that what you worry about - otherwise it seems odd for a Canadian to want Sasha out so badly? :scratch:

Janetfan, this is one of the most ridiculous posts I have ever read! :scratch: Where did I mention Joannie? I know Joannie is not planning on putting a 3-3 in her program and I know that she isn't consistenly able to do one!

I was simply commenting on the fact that at the age of 25 that it is highly unlikely that Sasha is magically going to be have a consistent triple triple when she never had a consistent one back in her competitive days. Not to mention three years off from serious training and with tenditinitis.

I really don't care one way or the other about Sasha making it to the Olympics. I have only made a handful of posts is this thread and they have been about her technique issues and the fact that I have found her comments and actions about her injury confusing. Sasha has never been one of my favourites and I really don't understand why you brought Joannie into this.

 

[silverlake22]

I was simply commenting on the fact that at the age of 25 that it is highly unlikely that Sasha is magically going to be have a consistent triple triple when she never had a consistent one back in her competitive days. Not to mention three years off from serious training and with tenditinitis.

Yeah, you make a good point. I mean Yuna is like wonder woman and even she has been having problems with her 3-3s, not to mention Mao doesn't even attempt 3-3s anymore. Miki hasn't done it this season either, Caroline as a 16 year old is getting hers downgraded a lot, Rachael's is usually fine but not always. The only other person who even attempts them is Carolina Kostner, but she's so unpredictable. And if Joannie can't do a 3-3 with those kind of muscles...

So yeah, I kind of doubt Sasha, who wasn't much of a jumper to begin with, will do a 3-3 after taking 3 years off and having tendonitis. I guess the one thing she has to her advantage is her being 5'1" and like 80 pounds-she's almost built like a little girl just because she's so tiny

 

[janetfan]

Janetfan, this is one of the most ridiculous posts I have ever read! :scratch: Where did I mention Joannie? I know Joannie is not planning on putting a 3-3 in her program and I know that she isn't consistenly able to do one!

I was simply commenting on the fact that at the age of 25 that it is highly unlikely that Sasha is magically going to be have a consistent triple triple when she never had a consistent one back in her competitive days. Not to mention three years off from serious training and with tenditinitis.

I really don't care one way or the other about Sasha making it to the Olympics. I have only made a handful of posts is this thread and they have been about her technique issues and the fact that I have found her comments and actions about her injury confusing. Sasha has never been one of my favourites and I really don't understand why you brought Joannie into this.

I was simply noting that whether Sasha does a 3x3 in no more relevant than if Joannie does a 3x3.
Since they are in the same age range it is probably too late for either of them to perform this jump consistently under pressure.

I don't think either of them would need a 3x3 to medal in Vancouver if they skated well enough.

ETA: I have made many posts more ridiculous than the last one

 

[silverlake22]

I was simply noting that whether Sasha does a 3x3 in no more relevant than if Joannie does a 3x3.
Since they are in the same age range it is probably too late for either of them to perform this jump consistently under pressure.

I don't think either of them would need a 3x3 to medal in Vancouver if they skated well enough.

ETA: I have made many posts more ridiculous than the last one

It all depends. If Miki and Mao skated up to their potential, I'm sure they'd be right up there with Yuna. But no one knows if they will, or if Yuna will meltdown and come in like 2nd or 3rd. I'm just upset by how underwhelming everyone has been this season (except Akiko! woo :agree: ). I just hope it isn't a splatfest where the winner does like 4 triples....that would be boring. I suppose a Yuna-Mao-Miki podium might be boring as well.

Hopefully there will be some surprises! I want Akiko to medal....is that possible?

 

[Mathman]

I want Akiko to medal....is that possible?

I don't think so. She mopped up the ice with Yu-na and Miki in the Grand Prix Final, and they still only gave her third.

 

[janetfan]

I don't think so. She mopped up the ice with Yu-na and Miki in the Grand Prix Final, and they still only gave her third.

Well "third wins a medal."

Are you saying in a larger field there will be other skaters the judges will decide to place over Akiko because they did better last year or maybe the season before?

Please go back to the COP thread and see if you and the others can get if fixed before Vancouver because it is horribly unfair and inacurrate imo.:scowl: