Asada, her fall and her PCS

[luckyguy]

I think, Asade deserved to win.

But how could a figure skater win the PCS after such a heavy fall? She needed
10 seconds(!) to come back to her program and became the highest points for transitions. It is a bad joke.

 

[Mafke]

But how could a figure skater win the PCS after such a heavy fall? She needed
10 seconds(!) to come back to her program and became the highest points for transitions. It is a bad joke.

I take no stand on who should have won. But as strong as her comeback was, that fall took all the presentation right out of the performance. It was like watching a male Timothy Goebel or Plushenko at Turin, jump, jump, concentration don't even pretend to have any choreography jump. The PC scores should have taken a big hit.
PC scores never make a whole lot of sense but they made even less than usual here.

 

[inskate]

IMHO, there's no comparison between Plushenko's skate and Mao's. Mao still related to the music, and her spins and steps were superb. I've watched a few versions of her skate (British ES, Russian ES, CBC) and all the commentators were VERY impressed with Mao's performance. Chris and Nicky said that it was as if the fall didn't happen at all. Kurt said he couldn't believe his eyes, and while the fall was bone-chilling, the rest of the program was "nothing short of spectacular". Then he added "Kids at home, record this! How many times we've seen a skater miss the first jump (...) start over, stop the music and try again. THIS is how it's done!". And then wnet on waxing poetic on Mao's ability to flow from one element on another with no effort.

The PCS, on the whole, were a bit of a joke - IMHO YuNa and Yukari should have been ahead of Carolina, who, as much as I like her, managed to both up every element except for the opening combo, and on the whole her performance ended up looking very sloppy. Mao's scores, however, were well deserved.

 

[alain707]

I think, Asade deserved to win.

But how could a figure skater win the PCS after such a heavy fall? She needed
10 seconds(!) to come back to her program and became the highest points for transitions. It is a bad joke.

I too am happy that Asada won (rather than Kostner or Yu Na kim for their performances yesterday).

But I agree with the second statement : so unfortunate and dangerous as the fall was for her, a deduction should have been made in the PCs - because it put her out of her choreography for well over 10 seconds. The judges are not using the PCs as these marks were meant to be.

 

[dizzydi7]

After watching Mao's performance on You Tube, I'm just amazed at her quick recovery after the fall. It just proves her mental toughness. After the fall, I think she performed an amazing, beautiful program. Her skating was fast and she was just miles ahead of any other skater at Worlds. It would have been a crying shame if she hadn't won the title. As much as I love Yuna's skating, she just wasn't at her best at Worlds. Let's just say that I wouldn't have put Carolina on the podium but that's just my opinion. To sum it up, Mao was the best skater at Worlds this year and I'm thankful that she won the gold.

Dizzy

 

[Mathman]

This raises an interesting question: which is worse, one big mistake or many small ones.

In terms of choreography, interpretation, and presentation/execution, Mao's fall did result in a substantial reduction in PCSs. She scored in the middle 7's, whereas if she had skated perfectly her scores would have been in the low 8's.

Carolina Kostner, on the other hand, had major problems on her 3Lz, 3F, and 3S+2T, and minor bobbles on both of her Axel passes. She received negative GOEs on all five of these jumping passes, on the TES side. But in addition, little mistakes like a turn-out, hand down, no flow out of the landing, etc. -- these negatively impact the choreography, interpretation, and presentation as well.

 

[mizu_iro]

This raises an interesting question: which is worse, one big mistake or many small ones.

In terms of choreography, interpretation, and presentation/execution, Mao's fall did result in a substantial reduction in PCSs. She scored in the middle 7's, whereas if she had skated perfectly her scores would have been in the low 8's.

Carolina Kostner, on the other hand, had major problems on her 3Lz, 3F, and 3S+2T, and minor bobbles on both of her Axel passes. She received negative GOEs on all five of these jumping passes, on the TES side. But in addition, little mistakes like a turn-out, hand down, no flow out of the landing, etc. -- these negatively impact the choreography, interpretation, and presentation as well.

Let's not forget Yu-Na, who only had the pop on the 3Z as her one big mistake, or Yukari, whose downgrade on the 3A killed her. Yukari and Yu-Na deserved significantly higher PCS than Carolina IMO. Would that have been enough to change the results? Who knows.

Carolina landed on the podium the way Jeff Buttle used to score high - do everything no matter what, regardless of the actual quality of the elements. Ironically, Jeff was absolutely perfect here.

 

[Spun Silver]

After watching Mao's performance on You Tube, I'm just amazed at her quick recovery after the fall. It just proves her mental toughness. After the fall, I think she performed an amazing, beautiful program. Her skating was fast and she was just miles ahead of any other skater at Worlds. It would have been a crying shame if she hadn't won the title. As much as I love Yuna's skating, she just wasn't at her best at Worlds. Let's just say that I wouldn't have put Carolina on the podium but that's just my opinion. To sum it up, Mao was the best skater at Worlds this year and I'm thankful that she won the gold.

Well said! ITA.

 

[myasada]

Mao was great after the fall. But I think her PCS was too high. She wasted the first half-minute of her program trying to find her place in the music.

LP score
1. Yu-na 123.38 = 64.82+58.56
2. Mao 121.46 = 61.89+60.57-1
3. Carolina 120.40 = 61.88+58.52
4. Yukari 116.30 = 56.98+59.32

Total score
1 Mao 185.56
2 Carolina 184.68
3 Yu-Na 183.23
4 Yukari 177.40

 

[bekalc]

Mao was great after the fall. But I think her PCS was too high. She wasted the first half-minute of her program trying to find her place in the music

I think Mao's PCS were a bit too high myself. But I think the judges had no choice, because Kostner did not deserve to world champion after that skate. The whole thing was a farce. (Not Mao winning though, i think it could have gone either way with Mao/Yu-na there).

This raises an interesting question: which is worse, one big mistake or many small ones.

In terms of choreography, interpretation, and presentation/execution, Mao's fall did result in a substantial reduction in PCSs. She scored in the middle 7's, whereas if she had skated perfectly her scores would have been in the low 8's.

Carolina Kostner, on the other hand, had major problems on her 3Lz, 3F, and 3S+2T, and minor bobbles on both of her Axel passes. She received negative GOEs on all five of these jumping passes, on the TES side. But in addition, little mistakes like a turn-out, hand down, no flow out of the landing, etc. -- these negatively impact the choreography, interpretation, and presentation as well.

Not in all cases, but in this case I'll take the big mistake. Because it felt like on most of Kostner's jumps she was bobbling. She had what (3 clean jumping passes, that's ridiculous). It should effect the execution score. I'm sorry it should.

 

[summervie]

Personally, I think that was one of the greatest skates in the history of figure skating. Maybe the greatest. (Yes, I can ground this point.) So I am kinda ok with the PCS.

 

[CalebsMom]

Let's not forget Yu-Na, who only had the pop on the 3Z as her one big mistake, or Yukari, whose downgrade on the 3A killed her. Yukari and Yu-Na deserved significantly higher PCS than Carolina IMO. Would that have been enough to change the results? Who knows.

Carolina landed on the podium the way Jeff Buttle used to score high - do everything no matter what, regardless of the actual quality of the elements. Ironically, Jeff was absolutely perfect here.

Mao's PCS was inflated. Carolina was overmarked overall. Yes, Yukari and Yu-Na deserved significantly higher PCS than Carolina and even than Mao who wasted 20 seconds after the fall. And let's not forget that Yuna was a close 3rd. It was neck in neck. It sure would have been enough to change the results.

 

[myasada]

Let's not forget Yu-Na, who only had the pop on the 3Z as her one big mistake, or Yukari, whose downgrade on the 3A killed her. Yukari and Yu-Na deserved significantly higher PCS than Carolina IMO. Would that have been enough to change the results? Who knows.

ITA. It sure would have been enough to change the results.

 

[cera]

i don't think that mao took 10 secs to come back to her program. Ideally, after the 3A she would have done an outside edge spreadeagle (i think thats what you call it) in d same circle that she skated.

But i think after the bad fall she didnt have enough speed to do it. Right after the spreadeagle, or not spreadeagle in this case, she turned and brought her left hand down in front of her face, right to the original choreography.

if you look at it that way, she recovered almost immediately, or at least, very quickly..not 10 secs..which is what ppl started saying at first, then it went up to 20 secs, then half a minute...

 

[Eddie Lee]

Of the three medalists, I like them equally well. I have no trouble with Yu-Na's placement or Mao's. Yu-Na lacked her extreme effortless quality which I lay at the feet of her injury. Bronze was right for her. She and Mao remain the top two ladies without question. Mao was spectacular. Within 10 seconds of her fall, the fact that she had fallen was so far back in the recesses of my mind because of the spectacular quality of everything she skated following it.. (Since it was at the very beginning of her skate, the incident was almost tantamount to her stumbling while taking her place to begin the skate. The difference is she got a point deduction because it was part of her program.)

Carolineas placement is the one I quibble with. She struggled throughout her program--jump after jump. One was constantly diverted from getting in to her program because she continually distracted us with another botched jump. I would have awarded the silver to Nakano and fourth to Carolina.

I think that Carolina will, however, remain one of the favorites from 2010.

 

[SamuraiKike]

I dont have problems with her PCS but Yukari's should have been at least 2-3 points higher than that .

 

[hongligl]

OK, I'm very sorry that Yu-Na didn't win but Mao earned every points she got. I'm really happy for Mao.

Please go watch the two programs from 4CC and the World.
Except for "run through" a short in between spread eagle after the 3A Mao didn't miss or change anything of her program. She resumed her cheorography from the turn right after the spread eagle and everything from there was spot on. You can even match the two programs note by note. There was no half a minute wasted on finding her spot, it was less than 10 seconds cross-over that many other skaters would normally do anyway. She didn't rushed anything or watered down her program as some people imagined. Please take a little bit time watching before talking about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kf5FH__TbQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhV6nHZOz4s&feature=related

Carolina's PCS should be much lower. Yu-na's should be higher but not higher than Mao's or Yukari's.

 

[Tinymavy15]

I think, Asade deserved to win.

But how could a figure skater win the PCS after such a heavy fall? She needed
10 seconds(!) to come back to her program and became the highest points for transitions. It is a bad joke.

becasue the judges, like myself forgot all about the fall after the first 3/3. i think actually it was better that she fell right away and not in the middle. You forgot all about it and she completely performed the rest of the program.

 

[Skye]

becasue the judges, like myself forgot all about the fall after the first 3/3. i think actually it was better that she fell right away and not in the middle. You forgot all about it and she completely performed the rest of the program.

Those same judges gave very high PCS to Kostner who messed up throughout her entire free skate.

 

[jeanettetan]

i admire her for not doing wat zhang & zhang did at the 2006 oly. she deserves to win. Go Mao!!!