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Ban on Carolina Kostner Over
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I think you are not getting how serious lying to an officer is. And that is not a "little mistake". Hmm yes when an officer knocks on your door and ask someone to give sample, you are going to pee into that cup may it be 7am or 2am. That's why its called RANDOM testing. And of all people it should be CArolina who knows about this. When her boyfriend refused to do it and asked her to lie, this should have been a major red flag for carolina. Simone Biles coach', a world champion gymnast has complained about this "random" testings because they go to her in the middle of the night or early moring which disrupts her rest but understand why they do it. You also forgot the part that Carolina was CAUGHT lying because the officers saw her ex leaving her house when she told them that he was not there. And like what you said doping is a real and serious crime thats why I think a year suspension is enough to send a message that you cannot lie to an officer because you become an accomplish to the crime. You never lie to an officer.
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It was the real police who came to her door?
Did one of the doping police ask her to give a sample and she refused?
If the answer to both is 'no' then I'm not interested in anything else.
Some of the folks on this forum would have been right at home in East Germany informing on their best friends.......
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Are you a lawyer? Do you know italian law so well? If you aren't a lawyer , be silent, please.
Ask her to give a semple? Not at all!
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Exactly, this is a witch hunt by power mad little tinhorn officials who need to be told to back off.
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Please never ask a person to be silent is disrespectful.
If you don´t agree signal why we are wrong, but in this forum we respect each others right to an opinion and point of view even when we not agree.
Why cant i share my opinion? If you dont like it then ignore it. And by the way anyone can claim who they want to be in the internet. And so if you claim that youre a lawyer, then OK lol
Who said they asked Carolina's sample? And it was the anti-doping officer/ inspector/ official.
Are you a lawyer? Do you know italian law very well? If your answer is no, be silent about that, please.
She is condamned for complicity. For this crime it's necessary the 'elemento soggettivo' of the crime. The full knowledge of the doping from Carolina. No evidences at all to substain that. Than this accuse has no evidences. She deserve a punishment for the lie ( the circumstances are very important in italian law to define the crime. time, surprise and motivations...are very important elements).
Eventually, she is guilty for the lie ( with all the 'attenuanti del caso') but NOT guilty for the accuse of complicity.
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Againt, if you ever ask anyone in this forum to be quiet you are only calling for us not to take you serious, we are in a forum and as long as we stick to guidelines we can write whatever we want, or do we need a law degree to have an opinion?
And since you already recognized that Carolina "did lie" to the WADA authorities, that it was the offense she was being judge for, what would it be a correct sentance for her? WADA´s regulations signal a 2 years and 3 monts ban. Or do you want WADA to write regulations just for CAROLINA?
So you admited that she is guilty for lying, then since youre a lawyer like you said, what should be the appropriate sentence? Ofcourse basing on WADa's regulations.
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If Carolina had committed a crime as alleged by some here, she would have been legally charged. WADA has authority to impose penalty on her because she is an athlete. If she had been a lay person, there is nothing anybody can charge or penalize her with.
Like most who vigorously voice their opinions here, I am not a lawyer but it's my understanding that in Canada, the US and likely most European nations, one does not have to answer to a police knocking at the door or let them in unless they have a warrant. I certainly could refuse a WADA agent or tell them my boyfriend was not in my house even if he was. It would be my right with no legal consequences or any punishment doled out by any governing body.
Like most who vigorously voice their opinions here, I am not a lawyer but it's my understanding that in Canada, the US and likely most European nations, one does not have to answer to a police knocking at the door or let them in unless they have a warrant. I certainly could refuse a WADA agent or tell them my boyfriend was not in my house even if he was. It would be my right with no legal consequences or any punishment doled out by any governing body.
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It will need to read more about the regulations, but some key points:
-WADA can ask for a sample at any time, since the moment you are considered elite in your country you get into a list, and you compromise to give samples and comply with WADA regulations. At that is all of the events that you see here, to submit samples, to don´t lie to them, to not do doping, etc. Both Carolina and Alex have signed the agreement.
-It does not work like in US where you can deny entry to your house, they aren´t there to searh, they are there to ask for an example. And they need to made sure the sample is yours.
-You submit a list an time scheduale of where you will be, the fact that you aren´t where you said you will be would be a bad signal for WADA.
-WADA´s official are asked to wait in site when an athlete is deny to be there; they also adviced to take notice of everything that is happening (how many cars there are in the place, the car license, specific hours, movements in the house, etc), that´s how they knew that Carolina lie to them.
-Some people has argue that Alex said that he was in another place but they showed at Carolina´s house, why they did, I don´t know. But it is between the regulations because otherwise Carolina´s lawyer would have used the fact to dismissed the case.
-At the beggining the ban that have being requested was of 4 1/2 years according to WADA 2013, she was sentenced according to the new corrections made for WADA code and in action for 01-01-2015. You can find it here. I haven´t read the changes.
-At the moment of the event Alex already was on the list of athletes that are suspect to doping, so WADA will be more harsh in pursuing him.
-As far as I know WADA and CODI where judging Carolina for two( ?) things:
-- For lying to the WADA agents when they were at her house.-- This was the "crime" she received her ban for.
-- For failing to report Alex for doping.-- She was declared innocent of this.
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Exactly! It wasn't her urine they were interested in and the official had no real legal standing in civil law and she had no official connection to the guy's athletic career.
I perceive no ethical basis to punish her unless the doping police* simply want to create a climate of fear in which athletes are coerced into informing on each other.
*not really police
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It's not alleged - she admitted to lying to the doping testers/officials. I do think there are posters that question how much they believe that she had no idea that the man she was dating and living with (?) was taking illegal drugs - which is a fair thing to question.
It wasn't the police but the doping officials/testers that she lied to, and she has an agreement with them that was violated. Whether they were there to test her or him, its probably a violation to lie to testers.
I think the important thing for everyone to remember here is: Carolina is not in trouble with the law - she's not going to prison and there's not a chance she was ever going to go prison for this. She is essentially in trouble with the terms of her employment as an elite athlete.
Considering the case made it as far as it has - whatever agreement that she has as an elite athlete probably extends past her; if she lies for anyone that its a violation of that agreement.
I don't get what everyone's issue is with wanting athletes to have the option to protect cheaters.
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It's called "right to privacy".
It's not about actively protecting "cheaters" but not forcing people to be informers. I live in a former communist country so that seems like a line in the sand I don't want crossed.
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It's alleged that it was a crime - so far nobody in this thread has been able to explain how Kostner's actions where illegal under Italian or German law. What she has probably committed is an infraction with regard to the WADA policies and regulations. Whether the penalty for that is appropriate is another matter.
Personally, I don't care about doping in the sense of fair play/purity of the sport etc. there's a lot if impure, unfair stuff in sports that's worse than doping and nobody seems to mind. I do care about protecting athletes' health, but not everything on the banned substance list is the equivalent of what East German swimmers got. A lot of it is probably no more dangerous than cold medication. I wouldn't be surprised if some of it is cold medication.
Now, so long as there are rules, they should be enforced. But the current rules are invasive of athletes' privacy to a degree that strikes me as unwarranted. Doping inspectors have come after people who were on their wedding night or making funeral arrangements. That crosses the line IMO. I know many people will say that this is the price you pay for competing at the elite level - well, I don't think it should be. And I don't think it's fair to athletes who can't exactly opt out without throwing away years of hard work. The entire system needs a massive overhaul to focus on what matters (athletes' health) and not on so-called purity of sport or punishing athletes whose connection to doping is tenuous at most (e.g. Andreea Răducan)
And I'd say this even if this case involved an athlete I dislike.
Poor Caro sounds utterly humiliated and destroyed by this "shame" 
I can't describe the disappointment, humiliation and pain, says Kostner after receiving ban in doping case
http://www.insidethegames.biz/sport...h-ban-for-assisting-former-boyfriend-s-doping
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