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I'm very confused how he skated that bad. It wasn't injuries because in the warm up, he didn't fell, all his jumps were clean. He did miss the morning practice that day though. He should have at least won the sliver medal. This was the easiest field of men compared to the past years.
Can't believe I'm actually delurking on here, this place scares me, but I've come for some Boyang love
Anyway, witnessing the free skate in the arena was scary and I knew it was gonna be bad the moment he started preparing for the Lutz. But wow, -9 deduction, you don't see that every day... Well I'm not too bummed about it anymore, I'm confident he's gonna show everyone what he's capable of next season. The thing I'm still most salty about is the SP score, how dare they, and without even ashamed of being so obvious, because they know no one's gonna do anything about it... Fighting, Amajin Boyangman, get some awesome programs for next season!!!
Anyway, witnessing the free skate in the arena was scary and I knew it was gonna be bad the moment he started preparing for the Lutz. But wow, -9 deduction, you don't see that every day... Well I'm not too bummed about it anymore, I'm confident he's gonna show everyone what he's capable of next season. The thing I'm still most salty about is the SP score, how dare they, and without even ashamed of being so obvious, because they know no one's gonna do anything about it... Fighting, Amajin Boyangman, get some awesome programs for next season!!!
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Welcome to the Fan Thread and Golden Skate. Post often. I'm just relieved it's not an injury. It's very tough to keep a peak condition over a long time especially with the Men as so many quads are required in the Free. I believe Boyang can learn from this and be stronger next time it happens. Looking forward to new programs next season.
About scores, Boyang needs to be more clean, more consistent than all the others, because the judges won't give him reputation points easily. That's the harsh reality. He must deliver.
Welcome, MajaHled! There is a small group of Boyang loving fans here. Were you in the arena watching the skate 'live'?
I am starting to wonder whether there are other 'things' affecting these skaters, putting pressure on them. I was also shocked to see the 2 Russian ladies - Alina/Stanislav with 4 point deductions, especially Alina (she is consistent as). Boyang too, is a consistent skater. Boyang's FS marks tells me that he skates worse than the 3rd tier skaters, which is absolute BS. I just sense there is something else at 'play' here and it is not a reflection of the skater's true skating abilities. Sorry, this is just my deduction.
Yes, I was there, and it was a little traumatising, but the SP was actually great (I got to see CTHD, I was so so happy). And there's always something going on behind the scenes, isn't there. Not like we can do much about it tho. I guess Boyang will really have to fight for every single point the judges give him and more, and he's completely capable of doing that and beating all the other top guys (well, save for clean Yuzu). But IMO, he has the most potential among the younger ones rn, and if all goes well he will get better and better still.
Hi guys something's bothering me this World Championship so I want to ask here to see if I'm imagining things.
I've never seen him in person, but to me he seems thinner by a considerable amount during the WC, in comparison to how he looked a month ago at Pyeongchang. Does anybody else feels this way?
I've never seen him in person, but to me he seems thinner by a considerable amount during the WC, in comparison to how he looked a month ago at Pyeongchang. Does anybody else feels this way?
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I’m not sure. I had the same thought. Maybe a slight loss in muscle tone due to less intense training, because everyone goes non-stop before the OWG. I also wondered if he might have grown a tiny, tiny bit given the jump issues?
He’s very lean already, though not unnaturally so, but when you’re at set point or have that kind of lanky body type, any weight shifts (muscle loss, fat loss, redistribution from height shifts) is going to be very visible, simply because there isn’t any weight to lose. Same story with Hanyu at OWG (looked healthy, but had clearly lost some muscle from deconditioning/lack of training).
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I thought he looked slightly different, but healthy. I did actually think that he might have grown slightly, given how he was crashing even during the practices. So maybe a combination of both your observations?
Might also explain: http://the-real-xmonster.tumblr.com/post/172232439419/the-mens-free-skate-aka-the-apocalypse-ive
Why he looked stiff and was going away with too much speed.
Though, honestly, maybe he might've just been "too relaxed" as he said in an interview. Hopefully he'll learn from it, and also shrug off the event. His reaction to everything gives me faith.
Might also explain: http://the-real-xmonster.tumblr.com/post/172232439419/the-mens-free-skate-aka-the-apocalypse-ive
Why he looked stiff and was going away with too much speed.
Though, honestly, maybe he might've just been "too relaxed" as he said in an interview. Hopefully he'll learn from it, and also shrug off the event. His reaction to everything gives me faith.
I'm trying to remember which video it was, but Yuzuru did say that working on his skating skills actually made his jumps uncontrollable at the start-he had to readjust his jump technique, since the speed pick up was too much initially.
Now other than a potential growth spurt, lack of full run-throughs, I do wonder if his skating skills have changed to the degree they are affecting his jumps-specifically his entry speed. I don't think he went that much closer to the boards compared to previous year, but his jumps are bigger this season.
Now other than a potential growth spurt, lack of full run-throughs, I do wonder if his skating skills have changed to the degree they are affecting his jumps-specifically his entry speed. I don't think he went that much closer to the boards compared to previous year, but his jumps are bigger this season.
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poor boyang 
i don't care if he gets bad results - i love him regardless
i just hope he didn't hurt himself with all his falls. he lost a lot of weight between pyeongchang and milan. i hope he's not sick or still have unhealed injuries
watching that free skate was the worst thing i saw in a very long time - not because of the fact that he did so poorly (i feel sad for him but i'm not angry or disappointed in him), but because the falls looked SO NASTY
and tbh, even his smiling face in the k&c after the skate looked like he was just trying to put on a brave face
not to mention he's copping it from the media too with his bad placing this time. i swear, those headlines in the sports news makes me wanna punch something. it's like suddenly they forgot he came back from bad injuries on both ankles to win 4cc and get 4th at olympics! so what if he screwed up this time? WHO hasn't screwed up one time or another in figure skating! even the best champions have bad days! the skaters are human, not machines!!!
i don't care if he gets bad results - i love him regardless
i just hope he didn't hurt himself with all his falls. he lost a lot of weight between pyeongchang and milan. i hope he's not sick or still have unhealed injuries
watching that free skate was the worst thing i saw in a very long time - not because of the fact that he did so poorly (i feel sad for him but i'm not angry or disappointed in him), but because the falls looked SO NASTY
and tbh, even his smiling face in the k&c after the skate looked like he was just trying to put on a brave face
not to mention he's copping it from the media too with his bad placing this time. i swear, those headlines in the sports news makes me wanna punch something. it's like suddenly they forgot he came back from bad injuries on both ankles to win 4cc and get 4th at olympics! so what if he screwed up this time? WHO hasn't screwed up one time or another in figure skating! even the best champions have bad days! the skaters are human, not machines!!!
I think regaining perfect control of his jumps and getting them away from those blasted boards should be high priority for him in the off season. Not only is it scary (and dangerous), he can also forget about hitting most GOE bullets with that. That said, I don't think it's going to be easy, since he's been jumping that close to the boards for a long time and it's probably built into his muscle memory at this point. I don't really know how bad the fall on the first Lutz was, since I couldn't see it over the boards and I don't have the guts to rewatch it, but he took a while to get up, so I'm gonna assume it was pretty bad. If there's one lesson I think he should really take away from that skate, it's "boards are not your friends so don't hug them"
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he fell on that 4Lz and his fall was so bad he slid and bounced off the boards (at least that's what it looked like in the broadcast)
it must've hurt like hell because he was visibly stunned for a couple of seconds before climbing back up, and then he just continued falling through the whole skate
the bloody cctv commentator even had to gall to say boyang gave up on his skate - yeah, why don't they try falling hard and bouncing against the boards like that and then keep falling on hard ice consecutively 5 times? see if they can still get their asses up to continue the rest of the program!
anyway, his problem with jumping too close to the boards has been there for a long time and he really, really needs to fix it. not only for goe/points, but for his own safety. it's gone from something like a cute quirk to something actually dangerous now. unfortunately, it's gonna be hard and will take time and lots of effort.
he also needs to improve on skating skills and TRANSITIONS!!! in general. again, lots of hard work needed
he's losing a lot of goe points because his jump have long intervals and lack of transitions. yes, those bloody isu judges are biased af but boyang himself also has shortcomings that the judges are preying on, using every opportunity they have to take points away from him
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i remember seeing yuzu say this before in an old video too
boyang's jumps are indeed bigger now than they were in his younger years. he's grown and also gotten stronger, so that's expected. which is why it's even more important that he fixes his jump technique so that he takes off earlier (instead of skating for a long distance before jumping). i heard that he's always jumped using the boards as a visual mark so it's gonna be very hard habit to break, but he must fix this because it's actually becoming dangerous. also he needs to have more transitions before his jumps. right now he skates and then jumps - there aren't enough transitions and so he loses lots of points for that (not only goe but more importantly, pcs!)
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definitely not just you
i thought he lost a lot of weight between pyeongchang and milan
i started wondering if he's sick or still injured
his costumes are a lot looser on him now than they were in 4cc or olympics
look at his legs, arms, and body in general
he's lost a lot of muscle bulk and his cheeks are sunken (like back during the grand prix series when he was secretly nursing 2 ankle injuries)
Oh my god, now I'm really glad I didn't see it, poor Boyang. And commentators like that really get my blood boiling, that's like kicking someone who's already down. Which only makes me appreciate the commentators on Czech national TV even more (when they broadcast FS, which is basically just Olympics).
Speaking about them, they had pretty interesting commentary for Boyang at PC. One of them (Tomas Verner I think it was?) said that he was there at Boyang's choreo sessions with Lori and that they actually did try to get him to jump further from the boards, but he couldn't do it. I'm not sure how much effort he put into it at the time, but it worries me quite a bit. And he also said that another problem of Boyang's is that he has trouble focusing for a long period of time.
And yes, Boyang's lack of transitions is another area he has a lot of room for improvement. But it's his willingness, even eagerness to improve in all areas that makes me love him. I think that sets him apart from some others *cough cough*Nathan*cough cough*. And, unfair as it may be, I think the judging might actually help him stay motivated to do that. He really has to work for every single point he gets and that doesn't leave him much room for imperfections.
Plus the rule change about cutting the free skate by 30 sec (is that confirmed?) will also work against him since he takes a long time to prepare for his jumps. So yes, a lot of work is needed indeed, but I believe he can do it.
I haven't watched Boyang's LP yet, I'm debating if I want to watch it after reading comments.
Boyang is definitely working on his PCS areas-if anything this WC pounded into his brain that sadly, he will never get the cushion that bigger feds do. He'll have to go squeaky clean and then some to wrestle points out of judges hands. And even then we may debate about whether or not he's underscored.
As for the free skate being cut by 30 seconds...I might be too optimistic, but I think the guys who could get through this change okay, and not lose too much quality, are Yuzu, Shoma and Boyang. I think Boyang will work hard on improving overall, and I still have a bit of faith in our spidey. He is so far away from the TES and PCS cap, the only way to go is up.
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thanks for the notes about tomas commentary - yeah, i heard that boyang has always jumped like that since young so it's gonna be very, very hard to break this habit. he may even need to "relearn" his jumps, which will take lots of time and effort, but in the end it needs to be done. he can't afford to crash into boards like that and isu judges made it VERY clear that they will take away points whenever they can, so boyang NEEDS to perfect himself or he may never reach another podium in international competitions. i love him regardless of his medals or not, but i want to see him do well because i believe that he deserves to be respected by isu just as much as other athletes. it's incredibly unfair that they pick on him whenever they can while others with powerful feds get away with unclean techniques.
boyang has lots of areas to work on. the jumps is the most important thing, but the lack of transitions, skating skills, and other PCS components are so important. his PCS is ridiculously low for a top skater like him and he needs to work very hard on that to even get a decent score. he's also lost the advantage of TES now with everyone jumping quads (and even if their quads aren't as clean, if they come from powerful feds they will still beat boyang's GOE scores). the judges look down on his perceived lack of skating skills and transitions (his SS aren't actually that bad but there's the ongoing bias that he's nothing but a jumper)
it's a sad fact, but skaters like boyang are consistently being picked on by biased judges - they don't even bother to hide their corrupt judging and double standards, so there's nothing for boyang to do except be as perfect as he can. he needs to wrestle with the judges for every point. he needs to show the world that he can be consistently clean AND he is NOT just a jumper. i see how much he's worked and improved his PCS components, but unfortunately the judges aren't convinced. in that case, boyang just needs to become even better.
as for the 30 second cut - i'm disappointed by this because i believe it will make the programs lose out a lot of choreo elements, but i hope boyang can improve enough that he can still get enough transitions and choreo in the shorter programs. right now, he's taking a bit too long in preparing for his jumps, so that's another thing he should work on. i wish him all the best and i hope that this very sad WC taught him a lesson that he will always remember - that there's no limit how much judges will punish him and that he needs to be as clean as possible to even get competitive scores. he's already 20 and there are younger skaters with much more powerful feds behind them just itching to kick him off the top skaters group. boyang needs to improve even more if he wants to stay competitive.
i believe in boyang and i hope that he will only improve from now on. i hope he learns from this WC and puts the sad episode behind him. move on and become stronger!
About his jumping habits, I remember seeing a news clip of him after 2012 JGPF and he was saying needed more steps to get the speed needed for a jump (I'm guessing due to his rough skating skills and his small built at the time? - He did look quite small compared to boys his age when he was younger.) That might have been a part of jumping routine for an extended period of time. Now that he's bigger and skating faster than before, this could place him much close to the boards.
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