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Campbell's and Your TV Impressions

Joesitz said:
Here's mine.

MEN

Tim: He's much improved his flow. the choreographay is good as is the music. The costume is fine. If the quads come back he is podium material.

Brian - I really don't see this guy. He is so lifeless, and Yes, he is good looking.
The choreograph was very TT and the music is much better than last year. Costume was not to my liking.

Emmanuel - Costume, Music and Choreography were excellent. His body language makes him special. He should have won this event. If the quad becomes consistent, he will be podium bound.

Johnny - Choreograph was good but music was much too quiet with little change of pace. He's got to liven it up.

LADIES

Julia - First half of program was great but needs to pace herself to finish without tiring. Choreography was excellent albeit with warhorse music. Costume was a bit busy for me. Highlight: The height in the jumps.

Kimmie - No nerves at this age. Her technique is well defined. Choreography and music were perfect for her style. Lots of potential Highlight: that sitz change sitz was all the way down!!

Sasha - Costume very nice. First one I like of hers. Choreograph beautiful to the warhorse music. Definitely will be a podium competitor if the jumps work. Highlight: Forward Charlotte - not easy when that head goes down!

Michelle - She's gorgeous in lavender. Choreography and Music: I'm not overwhelmed but her body language sells it. my advice to her would be to speed it up and make more of that footwork. Highlight: Camels in both directions.

Shizuka - Costume not as bad as I thought. Choreography was very good to this warhorse music. Needs to liven it up. Highlight: Sasha's I spin.

Miki - Costume fits the music and the choreography fits the music. Much improved flow over last season. Highlight: Speed and flow.

The above are just my opinions and are not based on any prizes.

Joe



I think that the show as good ( for the 1st event of the new season). I just want to point out 2 of your observations.

Brian J.: I have to agree with you & from what DB stated. Brian needs to loosen up & show more passion & connect to tha audience. He is a great skater however right now he is leaving me cold. There is no Fire There. DB pointed out that he needed to get together with he girl someone more( Hinting that she would show him passion). I thought that was vintage DB


As for Michelle: She herself has stated that it is a work in progress. & Her coach keeps telling her about working on the footwork. Christopher Dean is known for Programs. This progam will grow as the year moves along. But, from what I saw for a unpolished program I am liking it very much.
 
One thing that I forgot to mention:

I am happy that Michelle is spinning in both directions again. However, the camel to the right seemed slow and labored. If she wants to do camel spin in both directions, she needs to make sure that the speed is equal. Otherwise a camel in one direction and a sit spin in another may be a better strategy, as it may mask the difference in the quality of the spins.
 
Mathman said:
Show 42 -- Is it good or bad to be "fuller of face?" Are you saying Michelle and Sasha are fat, LOL. I thought they both looked fantastic. To me, what distinguished Michelle's performance was her total control over her body.

Mathman:)

You kidding? Michelle is in the most fitting form compare with her last two early season apperance in Campbells since SLC.

Sasha indeed gets a few pounds. But that's also good, you need some musles to pull off big jumps.
 
FINALLY the season is underway!!!

It was sure great to see FS on TV again!! I missed the performances before E-Man (Tim for sure and maybe one other???) so I can't wait to watch Tim on tape.

I just love E-man's style and I too am hoping for a "once in a lifetime" performance from him this season - hopefully at a BIG event!!

Brian. Well, that bondage looking costume made me think that he should wear it on a date with Miss France while SHE wears thigh high leather boots and brings a whip along. Definitely a contender for the Rusty Hanger Costume Award. His skating really leaves me cold. I agree with others who have been left with the impression of "Yags Wanna Be" but doesn't quite pull it off.

Johnny - I love his style too. I'm sure the program will improve as the season progresses. I'm not sure the music is his best choice. I fell totally in love with his Dr. Z program last year, so I suppose for me it will be difficult to top. I think it's too early to tell though.

YEAH KIMMIE!!! It's always refreshing to see the future faces of Senior skating in their Senior debut. She sure seems to have a solid foundation of tricks and nerves that will serve her well down the road.

Julia - gotta love those jumps. I know nothing looks on TV like it looks live, but I didn't care for the costume. I'm not a fan of "busy" costumes to begin with, but that looked to me like it was just plain heavy to skate around in.

Shiz - someone PLEASE offer this gal some fashion advice!! I know some commented they liked her costume, and of course that's personal preference. She is so quiet and smooth and graceful over the ice. For me I just think she would be a vision in a simple elegant costume. She sure packs in the difficulty and I'm looking forward to watching her as the season develops. To this fashion cop, she gets the Rusty Hanger Fashion Award for the gals.

Sasha - from her interview, it sounds like she took some time off over the summer. If so, maybe that's good since last season there were many comments that she peaked early. It will be interesting to see how the program develops - I agree that the "front loading" of jumps was painfully obvious. It was like "let's get the jumps out of the way.....NOW we can relax and do the fun stuff!" I'm not a master of understanding the COP system yet, but while that might not hurt scoring on the technical side, I have to think it might affect presentation since it definitely impacts the overall impression of the program.

Michelle - Like many, I wasn't sure how Bolero would work, but if anyone can pull it off, Michelle can. I really liked the program and can't wait to see it evolve. Defnitely a powerful season opener for her technical and choreographically. In several ways this music choice seemed a bit controversial. I suspect that's just the sort of challenge Michelle needs to keep herself going to new heights in skating.

Miki - I really enjoyed watching her skate. I liked her music choice and costume choice - nice package. It will be fun to watch her continue to develop.

Can I officially join the GS Fashion Police???? :)

DG
 
Men
I could kick myself in the butt for spacing out and missing the first few men. I did see Joubert's program and do not understand what the fuss is about regarding his skating. Jumps are good when they are on but to me that's it. Well he is cute. I think his spins not great and footwork is reheated Yags and his skating basics are pretty basic. Weir's jumps float and seem effortless and I cannot imagine him not being able to add a quad to his LP. And his flow across the ice and overall skating style are a pleasure to watch. But he seemed a bit off and his spins a bit slower though still fun. Didn't he sprain his ankle?

Women

Michelle
Liked Bolero better than I thought I would considering the music sounds as though it's on a loop. Thanks Ravel. (Anyone ever seen the movie with George Raft dancing away?) First few moments of MK doing this program are commanding. Jumps do seem higher and spins fine but slow at this point. Wish she would hold the free leg up a couple of seconds more on her layback before she drops it. Like the reverse camels. Really like the final footwork and she sells it like crazy, minus the trip of course. As said by others, middle of program needs more. Looking foward to seeing what the triumverate comes up with to make this program memorable, as I think I will be.

Sasha
She seems more composed and engaged with the audience than in the past. And more mature. Not as frantic. Also not as "look ma I can stretch." (I never want to see another BC.) Always seems to front load her programs regarding jump content. What's with that? Some lovely MITF stuff, like the forward Charlotte. She has a nice feel for the music, very prima ballerina. Think this could be a good program.

Shizuka
My word she is lovely to look at. Program chock full. Ina Bauer just stunning. Final pose, awkward. Jumps pretty powerful when they happen. Overall seemed to be thinking about the program too much and not connecting much with her audience. But when she gets it all more automatic, look out.

Miki
Other than the jump potential, I am not impressed with her at all. Wasn't last year and not this year. I do not like much of anything she does. Much prefer Yukina or Fumie from the pool of Japanese women.

Kimmie
Still more a junior skater but in a couple of years she will be really good. A real cutie too.

One word to ABC. Cut the fluff and give us an additional skater.
 
My overall impression is that most of the skaters didn't seem to be in real competitive shape yet, and all of them are still working out the kinks in their new programs. As a result, there were no outstanding performances, but it was really interesting to see all the new programs.

Tim Goebel--I'm just happy to see Tim skating well again. Actually, it seemed like he was one of the better-conditioned skaters at the event. I'm looking forward to seeing a new program from him, though. I like the Queen number, but I agree with a previous poster that I wish the program ended with "Who Wants to Live Forever", rather than "We Are the Champions."

Brian Joubert--His jumps are as amazing as ever, but I'd like to see more speed and better positions in his spins. I'm not crazy about the new program. The choreography seems a little busy and obviously patterned after Yagudin. I'm not sure that the dramatic, intense choreographic style works as well for Brian as it does for Yagudin. I always felt like Yagudin's skating was all about power and intensity, but to me, Brian is more about flow and simple but beautiful moves. I wonder if Brian would do better with a more lyrical type of program. I liked the color of the costume, but the loose cords were distracting.

Emmanuel Sandhu--The progam was very interesting and nicely choreographed. Loved the costume too. He is just an amazing skater. With consistent jumps, he could be right up there.

Johnny Weir--I actually liked Johnny's program quite a lot, but I do agree it could use a few more highlight moves. I liked it better than his Dr. Zhivago program from last year, though. I agree the costume and hair are a bit over the top, but that's just Johnny!!

Julia Sebestyen--Her jumps are beautiful . . . but she needs to be much more consistent with them. And I don't like the new program. Julia's presentation skills are not up to handling such an iconic and challenging piece of music. When you think of Katarina Witt skating to Carmen, and then look at Julia . . . well, there's just no comparison. And the costume should be burned!!

Kimmie Meissner--Really nice performance. Obviously she still has a long way to go in developing her presentation and performance level, but nonetheless I thought she did a nice job interpreting the music. And way to go with the triple/triple!

Sasha Cohen--My overall impression was that Sasha seemed to be putting only about 50 percent effort into this performance. Just some sloppy mistakes with the jumps. However, she still had some lovely moments, and her presentation is second to none. I have mixed feelings about the program though. The interesting thing about Sasha is that she's so strong artistically that it really doesn't matter if she skates to warhorse music like the Nutcracker. Unlike Julia Sebestyen, Sasha is good enough to take any music and make it her own. Even so, though, I'm not sure if this Nutcracker piece is a good selection for her, and a previous poster hit on the reason why. This piece was originally intended as a pas de deux for a man and woman. It's quite romantic and therefore works especially well for pairs. Shen and Zhao created a gorgeous program to the music last year, and prior to that, Bechke/Petrov used it very successfully for their Olympic silver medal program. Gordeeva/Grinkov also used it to win World Professionals at least once. All of their programs were more memorable and special than I think Sasha's will be. And the reason is because they are closer to the original spirit of the music. Sasha's version is nice though, and I'm sure it will be amazing if she skates it really well. I also really liked her costume, which was a pleasant surprise, as I usually don't like Sasha's dresses.

Michelle Kwan--I really, really liked her new program! I'm so excited about it. I agree with everyone that this is Michelle's most promising long program in years. I think it could be one of her best ever. I agree it needs a little more footwork in the beginning, and she needs to not telegraph the jumps so much. But overall it looked very good! And the music really suits her. It's just her style, intense yet measured at the same time. I was so pleased to see her land all her triples; I was really starting to worry at the end of last year that she was losing her consistency (which has been one of the biggest factors in her success all these years). She looked really good, really strong, and happy. I'm really pleased about the triple lutz/double loop too. Now if she could just get a triple/triple, I'd feel really good about her chances this year.

Shizuka Arakawa--I thought Shizuka looked good. Obviously she's not fully in shape yet, but overall it was a good performance, and her triple/triples are amazing. The program, to me, is good but not great. I don't know if it suits her quite as well as Turandot did, but perhaps it will develop with time. The costume is HORRIBLE, though. It's just got to go. I found it really distracting.

Miki Ando--She's definitely improved since last year. The new program suits her much better than the Firebird program, and her flow and positions seemed nicer. And of course the triple/triples are incredible, especially that triple lutz/triple loop (how can she do it so easily and consistently?). However, overall, her presentation still has a long way to go in my opinion. When Miki skates, I just get this feeling that she's in her own world and completely oblivious to the audience. Also, I agree with a previous poster that there is something wrong with Miki's posture on the ice. I feel like her back is always curved or hunched over, instead of nicely straight. And her head seems slightly down, instead of raised, with chin up. (Maybe that's why it feels like she's not really looking at the audience.) I don't mean to be harsh; I do think she has a lot of great qualities to her skating. Not only are the jumps incredible, she also has great flow and speed. But the posture thing is a real problem, I think. It's instructive to compare Miki and Kimmie Meissner on this point. Young as she is, Kimmie already has a classic skating "look" on the ice; she's small and thin, but her posture and positions are good and sharp, and conform to what we expect to see in a female skater. Her posture and look are similar to that of Katia Gordeeva or Tara Lipinski when they were 14. Miki just does not have that classic look to her.
 
I think that Miki's costume would have looked great on Michelle and would have worked with her program.
 
I think my biggest surprise was to see that Takeshi came in 6th place. All in all the competition was OK. I enjoyed the men's comp more so. I thought Tim did a great job. Glad to see him back to being the old Timmy, fighting. Emmanuel is so wonderful, I just love watching him. Hopefully, by Skate Canada his program will have more substance. I liked Brian's program but again I'm sure he needs to fine tune everything. I think I may only one person who doesn't see Brian as an Alexei's wanna be and even if he is so what. I guess I don't think anyone should blame Alexei for that what a compliment to him. Isn't it more of a Morozov thing? I'm glad that Alexei is putting forth effort in coaching and looking to the future. Johnny did seem a little cautious but I loved his straightline footwork.

You could tell it was the first comp of the season from the lack luster performances, falling, falling out and just plain old standing up on their skates. :laugh: :laugh:

Dee
 
eyria said:
Brian Joubert--His jumps are as amazing as ever, but I'd like to see more speed and better positions in his spins. I'm not crazy about the new program. The choreography seems a little busy and obviously patterned after Yagudin.
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Miki Ando--She's definitely improved since last year. The new program suits her much better than the Firebird program, and her flow and positions seemed nicer. audience.) ...............I don't mean to be harsh; I do think she has a lot of great qualities to her skating. Not only are the jumps incredible, she also has great flow and speed. But the posture thing is a real problem, I think. It's instructive to compare Miki and Kimmie Meissner on this point. Young as she is, Kimmie already has a classic skating "look" on the ice; she's small and thin, but her posture and positions are good and sharp, and conform to what we expect to see in a female skater. Her posture and look are similar to that of Katia Gordeeva or Tara Lipinski when they were 14. Miki just does not have that classic look to her.

Joubert's jumps in this competition were definitely not 'amazing'- he made way too many mistakes.

About Miki- I don't think the problem is with her posture. It is a personality thing, IMO. She just seems to have a more introverted personality. Many other skaters do too. It takes a skilled choreographer to bring out the real person to the audience, without trying to change the true personality. It will come with time. While Miki's posture is not great, it is not terrible either.

I also have to disagree with you about putting Katia Gordeeva and Tara Lipinski (and now Kimmie Meissner) at age 14 in the same group, as far as posture is concerned. I never thought of Tara as someone with a great posture,while Katia was a natural. Tara did have a lot of bubbly personality, however, like Katia did. So it is really a personality thing, IMO. Every skater does not need to have the same personality, however. Miki just needs to show that she loves what she is doing.

Vash
 
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Tim: It was so great to see him skate well again, I don't find his FP interesting, I think he should go into another direction but glad to see him back. I saw a better posture on him. He is working on using his arms a little more, before he just let them hang at both sides of his body. He looked tentative, as if he was just want to make a clean program and I think that after last season, that was a good thing to do. His jumps when they are on are beautiful to watch and it was great to see him back on track this time, hope he stays that way during the season.

Joubert: I think Brian is going to have a lot of problems if he keeps trying to be Yagudin, because Brian is good no doubt about that but when you compare Brian vs Yagudin there is no competition there. I don't like the program, I love the music though. I don't know why he does that kind of footwork when he knows that Morozov footwork is not very well seen under COP, he had the same style last season and he got level 1 for it and he was very slow in his footwork this time, but it does seem for the crowd reaction, a showy footwork. I found the 5.8 exxagerated for the program he did.

Emmanuel: I really like this program very much, too bad about his quad but he should have been placed higher in my opinion, He is such an elegant skater that he really now need to focus on get the jumps done, because he should be aware that that's the only thing he really needs to become a great great skater.

Weir: I like this program very much, too bad about the jumps though. But the problems that I found is the same that last season, he is in Weirland where none else exists so it's hard to connect with the program and the pace of the piece is always the same so there is no like a "wow" factor in it. But I did like it.

I would have switched Eman place with Joubert and actually even make it an split between Eman and Tim, Tim won because he was a little bit cleaner than Sandhu and only for that. IMO of course.
 
Dee, are you freakin' serious??? If Brian emulated Alexei and did a good job at it, that would be one thing. But it doesn't work for him. He doesn't have Alexei's passion and charisma, so the program just sits there. You didn't see this program as a wannabe program? What the heck was the scooping up the sand if not a complete ripoff of Alexei scooping up the snow???

I don't recall Alexei skating entire programs on two feet, so there's your difference. Your only difference. :D

As I said on FSU, I don't use this word often, but Brian's program is totally "craptacular."

Laura :)
 
First impressions, watching late at night after a long trip, with the volume rather low:

Goebel: He looked like he was moving well around the ice to his music, but his spins looked slow on TV, and he looked a tiny bit hesitant before going into some of his jumps.

Joubert: He was having trouble with some of his jumps, but the few he landed well had fine edges and lots of attack going into them. He's trying to make his spins more than sit/change/sit, and he threw in a couple of interesting positions. (He's got fine enough position in his camel, and I never understand why he doesn't hold it very long.) I hate much of the footwork, particularly the toe pick steps, and I think it slows him down.

Sandhu: It is a nice program structurally. I love the little one-foot change-of-direction riffs that are sprinkled in the program. I think he runs out of steam in unexpected moments, though, and because his form can be so inspiring, I find it maddening when two elements in a row are stretched and held and right on the musical phrase, and then the next two are sloppy and perfunctory and disconnected from the music.

Weir: I expected him to be in much worse shape after spraining his ankle. The overall quality of his movement and stretch and line were there. The costume looked better in motion than in the photos. I really like the footwork passes, but I wish he'd get rid of the (literally) head-grabbing moment.

Sebestyen: She's one of my favorites, but I'm not optimistic about this program. Clearly there are attempts for difficult entrances and transitions linking movement. I think her music got away from her, and I don't see her interpreting the arc of the music with her movements. I could almost hear her counting out her program. Since there always seem to be a couple of trouble jumps in her programs, I'm not sure she'll be able to relax into her choreography as her season goes on, which is such a shame. I'll have to watch again to see if the program is really that front-loaded, or if it looked that way because she faded as the program went on. I think there's supposed to be a 3/3 attempt rather late in the program (either 3T/3T or 3S/3T).

Meissner: It was late. I was tired. I watched about 20 seconds, got bored, and fast-forwarded. I'll give it another chance when I'm more rested.

Cohen: I liked the way she was moving: her edges look deeper, cleaner, and smoother to me. I think the music really suits her. She attacked her jumps, and even when they weren't working didn't seem to lose her confidence. I look forwarded to seeing this program later in the season.

Kwan: I thought the footwork at the beginning of the program was interesting, but was replaced by too many crossovers between that and the footwork passes. Her jumps didn't look that much higher heightwise, but they seemed bigger because she had a lot of attack going in and more flow coming out. One thing that made me crazy about her programs last year was The Two Faces: the Game Face and the Pseudo-Exotic Face. I thought her facial expressions were a whole different story in Bolero, because she dropped both for much of the program, and seemed to be projecting a lot more. I loved the way the combo spin transitions to the Y.

Arakawa: Oh, she was looking again like she was apologizing for living after concentrating very hard. Not a bad performance for a first public showing, and I expect it to get stronger over the season and look forward to this. Hate the sleeves and the fou-fou on the back. Love the bodice and skirt; even if pink.

Ando: I expected this to be awful, but I was very impressed with this program. I think the choreography is fine, that it suits her, and that she gives a musical interpretation. In person, there might be huge differences in pre between ArakawaCohenKwan (alpha order) and Ando, but I didn't see it so much on TV. She looked like she knew how to interpret each phrase, and she made errors trying to stick with the program with the right energy, instead of backing down and thinking about the elements. Despite these errors, I thought she had some wonderful moments, particularly in the spin in which she tilts sideways, and I thought the performance was committed.

And what was that comment by Button about the Ugly Spin? I don't ever remember him pointing that out when Cohen was doing it. (Of course he's usually jumping out of his seat by then, raving about her.) It's just ugly, no matter who does it.
 
I am so excited to have skating to watch again!!!! I just loved it!

Here are some of my impressions

Kimmie Meisner- She definately needs to polish her movements, but if she can hang onto her jumps she will be a great all around skater one day. I think she has grown much taller since the last time I saw her skate at Sr. Nationals Expo. Or maybe she just seems taller now that she is a sr level skater. Good for her for doing so well.

Sasha- Ok, so I know this music has been used a lot, but I love it! And I disagree that it doesnt work as well with a singles skater, I thought she really expressed the sensuality and magic that I hear in the music. I didnt feel christmasy either, which I was worried about. Can the girl stay on her feet please? I love watching her skate and I think she has the most exquisite form of almost any skater Ive ever watched, but she marrs her performances with silly mistakes. I remember sitting on my couch in 2002 telling my roomates (who know very little about skating) that one day sasha was going to be the best skater in all the world.... I'm still wating for her to prove me right!

Michelle- Ok, so I was very excited to see Bolero and I wasnt disapointed at all. I think she pulled off an amazingly polished performance (by far the most put together of all the women skaters). I think it was a nice nodd to torvel and dean to wear lavender, and I could feel a little of the dean influence coming through in her movements... but the beginning through me a little... it felt a little "the feeling begins" to me. I think that if michelle can be consistant and fill in the routine with some more mitf or flair she can be at the top of the podium without a 3/3... with a 3/3 she would top everyone.

Shiz- Not a fan of her new program at all!!! So disapointed because I had really started to appreciate her last season. The costume was a disaster, she seemed so checked out and not in touch with the music and the choreography was very blase. But she did prove again that she can bring the jumps and consistency.

I didnt really focus when I watched Miki because I was tired, but Dick and Peggy were kinda harsh with her... I'll have to watch again for sure.
 
hockeyfan228 said:
And what was that comment by Button about the Ugly Spin? I don't ever remember him pointing that out when Cohen was doing it. (Of course he's usually jumping out of his seat by then, raving about her.) It's just ugly, no matter who does it.

I made a similar comment in my impressions. However, when Sasha was brand new, Dick did say that it was the only unattractive position (Y spin) she had. I have not heard that comment in the last two years, however. So he must like it when Sasha does it. It is my least favorite spin- call it most hated, actually.
 
hockeyfan228 said:
"And what was that comment by Button about the Ugly Spin? I don't ever remember him pointing that out when Cohen was doing it. (Of course he's usually jumping out of his seat by then, raving about her.) It's just ugly, no matter who does it."
At least when Cohen does it, she usually stays in one place. Miki traveled a yard or two, and her legs weren't perfectly straight. Like everything in this competition, it's a work in progress. :sheesh:
 
hockeyfan228 said:
One thing that made me crazy about her programs last year was The Two Faces: the Game Face and the Pseudo-Exotic Face. I thought her facial expressions were a whole different story in Bolero, because she dropped both for much of the program, and seemed to be projecting a lot more.
LOL. I noticed that, too. In the first few moments she tried on the Smiling Seductive version of the Mock-Exotic Face, but after that I had the feeling that she was just skating on too high a note for anything but the This-is-the-real-Michelle Face. :love:

Mathman
 
Vash01 said:
I made a similar comment in my impressions.
Argh, I went from page 1 to page 3 and missed your review. I'm glad you pointed this out, because I got to read many more impressions.
 
If the position of the Y spin were an identical copy of the A La Seconde ballet position, the skater would not be allowed to hold her skate, and the skating leg would have to be second positioin. Both impossible on skates.

I'm not a fan of any spin where the skater has to hold one skate. Just my taste.

Joe
 
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