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Personally I found the comments Scott Smith would be the 3rd U.S male almost for sure strange a bit. Other then his jumps his skating is pedestrian, still I concede he is probably the favorite for the 3rd spot, but there are still multiple guys who will probably think they have a shot to take it away from him, especialy if he does not land all his big jumps. The top 2 U.S men are obviously still Weir and Lysacek. If the talk of Weir doing well mastering quads in the off season is true he should definitely beat Lysacek for the U.S title yet again if he holds it together and doesnt throw away too many points by not maximizing jump pass values.
 
Are there any protocols for this event?

Can anyone enlighten me as to how people did in terms of elements? Did any ladies do 3/3s. Did Mao land a 3A? Did any of the men land quads?

thanks
Ant
 
Some more thoughts on Weir’s sp

“and I'd rather see him go back to programs that suit his flow and style like the Otonal or Rondo Capriccioso”

Yes, after that or Valse triste and especially last season’s Swan, this short was looking to me boring and soul empty, not in terms of technical elements, those were ok, you could see Anissina’s hand in there, just like you could see Tarasova’ s before. Only I think Tarasova felt him better, though the lp is still to come.

“And here and there I saw some shade of old yagudin's passion.”

To me it looked more like Joubert trying to be Yagudin a bit. He doesn't need that. I don't want another Yagudin cause we already have him, like we already have Joubert. He could have medaled with his lyrical and soft way of skating and did not only because he messed up, not because his style wasn’t good enough.

“I feel that it is good for him to try different types of music and styles for his artistic development.”

Growing up as an artist is one thing and changing own style is another. His artistry is not learned it’s inborn and you could see him grow through the years without changing the style, now he’s changed it. His elegance is natural for him. I got the impression he was struggling with his natural soft way of moving (eg. look at his hands), and just trying not to show it that much in order to give the program more masculine touch. Sure he’s a good athlete so he can learn any moves and programs but other thing is whether it suits him. Some people can switch styles and they’re either good in them, some just present themselves better in one style, and I guess that’s his case. If that was the first program of his I saw I would even like it, after all it wasn’t that bad (though I would never consider it between my favourites, and some of his programs I do), but knowing what he can do and having seen that I was kinda disappointed. He didn’t look that unique he used to look, just another skater with good technique only more elegant than others. He didn’t move me like he did in the past.

Also I have to agree that he was slow, but still, that’s the beginning of the season. Another thing is he chickened out on the quad again. If he’s not putting it in that kind of competition, then I’m not surprised not to see it anywhere else again. But personally I don’t care that much for the quad as long as he’s skating his best.

And also I would like to see all the circular step sequence since the operator centered more on his upper part of the body, which I find really not appropriate while skating and especially during the step sequence.
 
My first observation would be that Mao's growth spurt may - I say MAY - interfere with her ability to do the biggest jumps. Also, she looked like she was feeling pressure. Overall, my impression was positive.

Kimmie's artistic presentation IS better than last year, and WAS better in this event than Mao's. When you "pop" a jump, I don't think that's an indication that your ability to do the jump has decreased. She popped TWO jumps, which was unfortunate for her score. Overall, I am pleased and still optimistic about her.

Biggest surprise for me was Miki Ando. Are we SURE this is the same Miki Ando that gave such a memorably dreadful Olympic performance? Good for her!
 
If Kimmie wants a national title she better get it together this year. Here comes Caroline Zhang. I expect she will win Juniors this year and win Seriors the next. I don't think Kimmie has improved. I think her Choerography has improved. For the first time they hired Lori Nichol and before her coach was doing it. Kimmie skates like NancyK and Hughes skates almost as good as Tonya. Caroline will be the new Michelle or Shasha. Take your pick.
I think the world of Caroline right now from what I saw in last year's Nats and those snippets on You Tube. Also running neck and neck with Caroline is Rachel Flatt whom I did not see last year but her snippets on YouToub show some remarkable skills. I may be adding Rachel Wagner to that trio for USA"s newest 'Baby Ballerinas'

As for Kimmie, she is, imo, moving a long in the presentaton mode, albeit on the slow side but she's got time and Mao Asada's growth spurt did hinder her whole package. However, that may well iron itself out by Worlds. The 'Dream Girl' seems to me to be Mai Asada - already with that lyrical grace and flow over the ice.

As I said in my first post on this topic is that it is the first competition of the season and one that doe not count for the World Standings. What one can get out of Campbells is a Dress Rehearsal for the skaters to tweek their programs and work on their weaknesses. There's time on their side.

Joe
 
Are there any protocols for this event?

Can anyone enlighten me as to how people did in terms of elements? Did any ladies do 3/3s. Did Mao land a 3A? Did any of the men land quads?

thanks
Ant

I haven't watched the men and I'm not sure if there are any protocols out yet.

Both Mao and Kimmie were all hyped up to be doing 3axles, supposedly were doing nice ones in warmups/practices-Mao got little height on her 1st one, was short of revolutions and fell. She did not do a 2nd 3axle attempt. Kimmie never got up in the air. Kimmie tried both her 3/3's, did the 3lz/3t, fell on the 2nd 3toe of 3fl/3t. Mao did a beautiful 3--/3lp (I say -- becaue it looked like a 3flip, and was called a 3flip, but I think Dick said it was supposed to be a 3lz).

The commentators said Emily had 2 3/3's planned, I THINK she is planning a 3fl/3lp and 3lz/3t, but she did not do either.
 
Why is there so much talk about Quads and 3As for a non scoring Worlds Standing Competition???. Why is that so important at this time of the season?

The skaters, and they were limited in number and nationalities, were lucky enough to get their new programs shown before much more important competitions will be taking place.

Did the fans demanding High Tech Jumps not notice the lovely Mai skating? the complete reversal of style by Weir? the maturing Oda?

Give a guy a break and come back with those complaints after Tokyo next year.

Joe
 
I DVR'd the program and haven't gotten through all the performances yet, but here are my impressions:

Pairs: Wish we could've seen them. :(

B/A: Love the original dance. It seems so much more serious and mature than last year. I can't wait to see their free dance.

D/L: Loved "Somewhere in Time" last year. Love their lifts, but I didn't really like their program. It seem slow and almost ponderous. It doesn't help that I don't like the music.

Japanese men: Liked what I saw of Takahashi and Oda. A shame about the jumps, but I thought Takahashi's presentation esp. was wonderful.

US Men: Smith was all right. Kind of meh, but I can see him as the third man. I really liked Weir's program. If he can pull it together, I think it will be a masterpiece by nats/worlds. Lysacek bored me. I didn't really want to see his Carmen program, and he didn't seem to have the same spark as last year.

Mai Asada: I loved her program. It was so well put together. She is such a lovely, lyrical skater, and I can def. see her at World's if she doesn't falter.

Emily Hughes: Still not a fan. And not very memorable. I saw her performance this morning and can barely remember it!

Re. quads: I think Campbell's is a good place to try them because the comp doesn't mean anything in the World standings. It gives the skater a chance to at least try it in a competition and get it out there. However, they said Johnny wasn't feeling well, so I dont' really mind if he didn't do one. Better to not do one while ill and not at full strength rather than risk injury.
 
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To me, the reason I hope for creditable performances even in a "non-scoring" cheesefest is that these events provide the only opportunity for the sport of figure skating to strut it's stuff before a general audience.

What I am afraid of is that a few more competitions like this one and figure skating will lose its audience altogether and complete its descent into being merely an "Olympic" sport.
 
Here are my (very amateurish) pictures from the event. :)

Inoue & Baldwin
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Nam & Leftheris

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Wakamatsu & Fecteau
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Marcoux & Buntin

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Belbin & Agosto
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Dubreuil & Lauzon
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Johnny Weir
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Nobunari Oda
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Evan Lysacek

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Emily Hughes
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Miki Ando
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Mao Asada
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Kimmie Meissner
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Sasha Cohen

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hey thanks for sharing those pics with us!

To me, the reason I hope for creditable performances even in a "non-scoring" cheesefest is that these events provide the only opportunity for the sport of figure skating to strut it's stuff before a general audience.

Sadly I think that "general audience" you're speaking of has all but disappeared. You only see them during the Olympic season/month.
 
I haven't watched the men and I'm not sure if there are any protocols out yet.

Both Mao and Kimmie were all hyped up to be doing 3axles, supposedly were doing nice ones in warmups/practices-Mao got little height on her 1st one, was short of revolutions and fell. She did not do a 2nd 3axle attempt. Kimmie never got up in the air. Kimmie tried both her 3/3's, did the 3lz/3t, fell on the 2nd 3toe of 3fl/3t. Mao did a beautiful 3--/3lp (I say -- becaue it looked like a 3flip, and was called a 3flip, but I think Dick said it was supposed to be a 3lz).

The commentators said Emily had 2 3/3's planned, I THINK she is planning a 3fl/3lp and 3lz/3t, but she did not do either.

Thank you so much for the low down on some of the elements. I think i read somewhere else that Kimmie landed a great 3A in teh warm up before the program.

Thanks again

Ant
 
Why is there so much talk about Quads and 3As for a non scoring Worlds Standing Competition???. Why is that so important at this time of the season?

Maybe because it was a competition rather than a exhibition. Whether it counts to the world standings is pretty irrelevant for the people competing at Skate America or Skate Cananda since there is very little time between the two to make vast improvements in the programs.

As some people have noted, of all the competitions, if this is one that, as skater you can afford to mess up, then why not try your high risk elements here so that if you land them in competition then you go into your next competition with the added boost of knowing you nailed it? If you fail then it doesn't matter as much.

An early season inticator of where people's jumps are at can often be a clue to how their summer training has gone and allow us to speculate on the improvements that may come during the season.

Did the fans demanding High Tech Jumps not notice the lovely Mai skating? the complete reversal of style by Weir? the maturing Oda?

Give a guy a break and come back with those complaints after Tokyo next year.

Joe

Personally i didn't get (and wont get to watch the competition unless it ends up on youtube) so i was just asking about the jumps because they'r emuch easier to say yes they did, or no they didn't. Since the maturing of skaters and improvement on thigns like musical interpretation are subjective, one person's improvement/change in style may not be as good a thing as another's.

Ant
 
Ok so i'll eat some of my earlier words because i found Johnny's program on youtube!

Honestly i've got to say i don't like the change in style...i'm slighty averse to cahnge though so maybe i'll get over it later in teh season but for now...i didn't like the program too much.

Firstly the costume...what was going on there? One of johnny's biggest assets to his skating are his lines and extension which are exquisitely shown off in his opne piece costumes - the two pieces left a distracting break at his waist which detracted fromt eh lines...more of which later. If he or annisina wanted a more masculine look they could have gone for a plane one piece and not stuck a maribou stork on it like normal!

As to the program...for me Johnny's biggest selling point has been that he has always been unapologetically himself on the ice. He has never felt the need to be masculine, or pander to criticisms about represntations of feminity on the ice and them being taboo for male skaters. He has always stood out, to me, for not having to be macho and interpret movie scores and shaking his fists in a "manly" way. To see him seemingly ignore his natural beautiful lines, stop him using his arms in a beautiful way and, frankly, have him skating on two feet for more of the program in order to look more masculine, takes away his biggest assets and drops in somewhere around middle of the road with a bunch of other skaters trying to do masculine in the same way.

I guess though as a skater its good to try different things, its the first season after an Olympics so no big if this cahnge in style doesn't work out but another season of johnny not reaching his potential because of a bad choice of programs/choreographer etc may be another negative strike phsychologically.

Ant
 
Emily Hughes: Still not a fan. And not very memorable. I saw her performance this morning and can barely remember it!

I'm glad someone agrees about Emily. She is such a bore to watch. No grace, no elegance, no originality, no consistency on jumps. I wish the damn commentators would shut up about her. No way would she get so much hype if she wasn't the sister of someone special.

Lysacek shouldn't wait until Nationals to try out a new LP. He's got to practice it first in some GP events if he's gonna get it right by Nationals time. I don't think he can pull off quick program changes a la Lambiel because he's not as talented or dynamic. So I hope he ditches Carmen after Skates America and starts working on something new.

And if Scott Smith really is our third best, then American male skating really is a two-man show with no depth. I certainly hope there are some junior men out there with more talent waiting to break out this year. If not, bring back Ryan Jahnke!!!!!!
 
Count me on the list of those who remain unimpressed with Emily Hughes. She simply has no grace at all and I do not enjoy watching her skate in the least.

I think Mai won the day. She was just lovely.

Kimmie/Mao ... blah, blah, blah. Did not skate up to the hype.

I rather enjoyed Johnny's new program and am certainly willing to give it a chance. Although it did include several very, very ugly spin positions ... and yes, the 'do was unfortunate.

I was disappointed with Takahashi. I really enjoyed him last season ... but Phantom? Please.

Also disapointed that the arena was nearly deserted. I'm afraid it speaks volumes about the state of our beloved sport.
 
I think Mai won the day. She was just lovely.
So many of us agree! But the judges saw it just the opposite. In program component scores Mai was the lowest of all six ladies, even behind Emily Hughes.

If we double the PCSs for the SP (that is, multiply by 1.6 instead of .8), the order for the second mark is Sasha 60.56, Kimmie 57.59, Miki 56.80, Mao 56.01, Emily 52.66, and Mai 51.34. :scratch:

http://www.usfsa.org/event_related_details.asp?ri=content/events/200607/campbell/results.htm

But I do have to say that Emily looked great. She was in excellent shape and looked very pretty on the ice.
 
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I did not like Johnny's music at all. All that incessant and repetitive pounding. It could at least have had some texture, built to some sort of internal climax or something, instead of just pumping away.

I think Nakinawa was the only one who attempted both a quad and a triple Axel, falling on both. This gave team USA a 19 point lead after the first head-to-head and pretty much ended the team competition aspect of the event right there.

Nam and Leftheris managed only 45.43 point in tech scores, with two falls, to Wakamatsu and Fecteau's 56.89. N&L must have had a rough outing. :cry:

My favorite performance of the afternoon was Dubreuil and Lauzon's.
 
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