Fatally passed?
I wasn't the one that said this, but if the judging is fair, there is no such thing as "fatally passed," and yet teams often retire because of their perception that they have gone about as far as they can go. And the way a team that has been slotted in nationally often causes a reevaluation of their place is by exceptional performances in the eyes of international judges.
For the sake of this sport, I hope we can cut down on conspiracy theories unless you have some evidence to support such claim, it really damages the credibility of this sport unnecessarily.
Sports forums of all types thrive on conspiracy theories. I don't think we damage the sport particularly by discussing them.
Considering they didn't even do the Junior Worlds this year, that's highly doubtful.
I didn't say that I thought they would stay as juniors. I said that I thought they would do well to stay as juniors. I also doubt that they will take this advice. However, they certainly would qualify for two JGP spots, but as they did not medal at JGPF, and did not attend Jr Worlds, they are likely to get no more than one opportunity at a GP slot, and that would likely have to come via an invitation to skate at Skate Canada.
Here's the communication with the seeding information:
http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=1446
R/H didn't make the top 24 total scores of the year.
wallyluts said:
Where did P/I compete against R/H in the 2009-2010 season, let alone passed?
P/I didn't even make it to the JGP Final whereas R/H did. R/H is still ranked higher than HM/C nationally and convincingly so, they were the ones who passed HM/C this year, not the other way around. Granted, HM/C did beat them later at the 4CC, similar things have happened to V/M when they won the 2004 Junior Nationals but yet beaten by the older national silver medalists at the Junior Worlds. I think National results are more relevant in Ice Dance since international results can be all over the place, especially on the junior circuit.
The rules of 2004 were vastly different.
R/H had problems when they hit one of the harder technical callers at 4CC's (over 12 point difference, AFAIR. ) I didn't comment on whether P/I had passed R/H fatally; colleen did. However, P/I placed better against the same cast of skaters at Jr Worlds than R/H did at JGPF.
At 4CC's, HM/C finished 2nd, R/H 6th and convincingly so at 4CC's. If Skate Canada is not perceiving the difference, they should think about it.
As to whether 4CC's was badly judged, consider that last year's Jr World Champions, Chock & Zuerlein, coached by the same coaches as HM/C, finished 5th. HM/C skated a heck of a competition at 4C's. It is yet to be seen whether they can build on this success.
http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/pbsdto.htm
wallylutz said:
Also, I do not believe a resolution has been agreed yet re: what to do with the CD and OD next year. As it stands, the OD is set to be rhythm based on the 1950's, 60's and 70's. But that could be changed depending on what happens to CD. Several proposals have been floated but nothing concrete as far as I am concerned, may I ask where you heard about an OD based on the Golden Waltz?
The proposal was discussed at Golden Skate
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?31850-OD-May-Be-Dead
It's discussed here in more detail than it has been discussed at Golden Skate:
http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2709082&postcount=1
The CD/OD hybrid that has been proposed is based on the Golden Waltz for Seniors and on the Viennese Waltz for juniors. Parents of junior dancers express shock that it is being extended to juniors this year if it passes, as juniors must have their completed programs ready earlier than seniors.
Expectations are that Gorshkov and the technical committee have the votes for this proposal (which by the way, I don't like and don't endorse).
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And then there's this clip of Rachel Kirkland that someone posted at FSU...
