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It will be interesting to see whether the ISU follows through on it's threat to re-image the "Technical Program" and the "Artistic Program," with a different scoring emphasis on each.
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Yes, but it does sound like he's forgetting that spins, steps, skating skills, and transitions all contribute to technical difficulty. Especially under the rules of the Russian Cup which have been around long before the Eteri/Plushenko drama. The spin bonus is a maximum of 3 points, which almost makes up for the BV of a 3A vs. 2A. And then if you consider the GOE difference: spins getting the bonus will have +4 or higher vs. +3 or lower across 3 spins, that along with the bonus makes up for the 3A already. That's before you even consider levels and GOE in the steps, and SS and TR scores.
There's a huge difference between thinking technical difficulty is only jumps vs. technical difficulty is mostly jumps but also spins, steps, etc. Only the latter is true, and this is less so in the SP because there are only 3 passes and no quads allowed.
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Well to the surprise of no-one I'll give Plushy the benefit of the doubt here and point out that he trained at the same rink with Liza for years. In fact he even mentions this in the post he made. And of course Mishin is his coach, who believed in him and helped him become a champion, of course he'll defend him.
As it happens Liza's score ended up been revised because they forgot to add two points for the 3A, they only added one. I'm not saying there was any malice behind it, but sometimes it's like judges expect a certain skater to skate a certain way and score on auto-pilot.
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Plushenko complained about Daria, and in this competition she was given an ! on all of her 3Lzes. Right decision and they had to do it...we all know it's really an e. But this will just galvanise Plushenko now.
They should have just called her Lutz in the other competition. Now it will look to everyone that Plushenko was right all along.
They should have just called her Lutz in the other competition. Now it will look to everyone that Plushenko was right all along.
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Is Plushenko really the first coach to criticize the scoring at an event? Or in a nastier way than anyone else? I could be wrong, but I get the sense that one interview is being discussed here on a silly figure skating forum WAY more than it is by any of the skaters, coaches, judges or officials involved.
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Of course he isn't, but did you miss the memo? Everything Plushenko does is The. Worst. Thing. Ever.
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I observe that the weaker the skates of the athletes of a certain coach (I'm not talking about the scores for these skaters. They have nothing to worry about here), the more accusations against Plushenko will sound here. Curious psychological aberration.
I think it will be good to have a watchdog committee for RusFed and other Feds or even ISU
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Yagudin was hilarious today with his TV comments about 'some newly minted coaches'
Oh? Was he speaking about himself? How long has Yagudin been coaching now again?
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Plusheko fans "know" would be more precise. Once again, in case that Daria should get "!", Sasha should get "e". It's what it is, it's not impartiality what is expected, but "better aimed favouritism"
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Hey, I don't mind if Sasha gets an E for her flip if it's outside.Plusheko fans "know" would be more precise. Once again, in case that Daria should get "!", Sasha should get "e". It's what it is, it's not impartiality what is expected, but "better aimed favouritism"
The point is Daria didn't get an '!' at Stage 2 with she should have. That gave her an unfair advantage. I don't recall Plushy saying at any point "Score my - or Mishin's - skaters better than the others just because." He gave reasons, reasons other people have given before.
I get the feeling if it was any other coach a lot more people would be applauding this.
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I get the exact opposite idea. Plushenko didn't mention his skater's fault, that wasn't called or was called more mildly than it should (and while I truly see Daria's ! call dubious, Sasha's inside edge was completely obvious, still he didn't complain about the judging in this case), which also gave her advantage, to use your language. Or do you truly believe he goes for fairness? It's also remarkable how much his fans care only and exclusively about the "faults" of others, technical, "such bad choreos" etc. Now that's ridiculous.
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Next stages and the finals will show how insulted judges will assess the work of this beginner coach.
Will they actively hunt for e, ! and q? Konstantinova is an easy target already? Kostornaya, Trusova?
Those two are raised under the Crystal Dome and still skate under everything they have acquired there. The girls should know they should give the judges no reason for deduction.
But Plyushchenko doesn't bow to the system, he wants to do better and we wish him luck.
Which is all admirable in itself, since competition only drive the sport forwards. But with these precious assets now in his possession, he must plan their path carefully and not rush into races after records. Getting them qualified should be no problem.
We'll see how it all works out. Going by the social media propaganda, everybody is having fun, but Rozanov still stands and skates with his hands deep in his pockets when Yevgeniy Viktorovich starts to play a game on ice.
About his reputation, he has his public image in his own hands. His despicable behaviour behind the boards at Stage 2 will not have pleased any person raised on proper decency and respect watching the live stream or live TV broadcast. We can hope at least he will restrain himself when in the camera eye and not start flirting with his eyebrows at a child anxiously waiting for her scores between her coaches.And then shrugging and turning away, like "who cares, I've had my fun"?
Perhaps the Trusovs and Kostorniys have appealed to the better Plyushchenko? We can only hope.
PS: the phrase beginner coach is from the rear cover of the Trusova book, which was commissioned by?
And it will probably stick with him until he has proven otherwise.
Both Plyushchenko and Yagudin are royal *rsholes in this sh*tfight on social media, but so far Yagudin has cracked the better jokes.
Will they actively hunt for e, ! and q? Konstantinova is an easy target already? Kostornaya, Trusova?
Those two are raised under the Crystal Dome and still skate under everything they have acquired there. The girls should know they should give the judges no reason for deduction.
But Plyushchenko doesn't bow to the system, he wants to do better and we wish him luck.
Which is all admirable in itself, since competition only drive the sport forwards. But with these precious assets now in his possession, he must plan their path carefully and not rush into races after records. Getting them qualified should be no problem.
We'll see how it all works out. Going by the social media propaganda, everybody is having fun, but Rozanov still stands and skates with his hands deep in his pockets when Yevgeniy Viktorovich starts to play a game on ice.
About his reputation, he has his public image in his own hands. His despicable behaviour behind the boards at Stage 2 will not have pleased any person raised on proper decency and respect watching the live stream or live TV broadcast. We can hope at least he will restrain himself when in the camera eye and not start flirting with his eyebrows at a child anxiously waiting for her scores between her coaches.And then shrugging and turning away, like "who cares, I've had my fun"?
Perhaps the Trusovs and Kostorniys have appealed to the better Plyushchenko? We can only hope.
PS: the phrase beginner coach is from the rear cover of the Trusova book, which was commissioned by?
And it will probably stick with him until he has proven otherwise.
Both Plyushchenko and Yagudin are royal *rsholes in this sh*tfight on social media, but so far Yagudin has cracked the better jokes.
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Sasha was called '!' on her flip in both SP and FS, Daria was called on her Lutz in neither. And she had two Lutzes in the FS!
As for "such terrible choreo" I apologise for what I said about Kamila, it was unfair of me, but I stand by my view that her FS is no piece of art.
And as a big fan of Plushy and Liza T I've heard more about my faves having "terrible choreo" than most. And about how technique means nothing as if the two of them have no artistry whatsoever. It may not be the artistry of the Eteri girls, but it's there even if people don't like it.
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Judges should judge fairly, that's their job, not to hunt anyone, not to favour anyone, no matter who's coached by whom and how much the judges like or dislike any particular coach. If they do hunt anyone or favour anyone instead of applying the same standard to everyone, it will just mean that Plushenko was right all along. End of story. I just don't understand how some people cannot see it.
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