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[mizu_iro]

Kim should've be rewarded for her minimum pre-rotation with higher GOE marks, but she also should've been penalized with lower GOE marks and possibly downgrades for her underrotations.

I really think you're the only one who sees underrotation in any of the jumps save the loop. As I said before, the lutz was landed fully rotated and she just didn't have the usual air time to check the landing properly. Yu-Na's jumps actually finish rotating BEFORE they land most of the time - what a novel concept! That's why when she goes into the 3T after her 3F, she's actually MORE than 360 degrees around.

Asada's program was harder not only due to the 3A, but also because of the 3Lo in combination. And the PCS was rightly higher due to being the more rehearsed program.

And the 3A was two-footed, her 3F-3R didn't receive very high GOE, and she flutzed both her lutzes. Mao can handle more difficulty, but after GOE's Yu-Na is surprisingly close to her. And Mao's Czardas LP never suited her - Worlds was the best performance of it but she never got into the mood of the music, which she's doing exceptionally well this year with the Fantasie Impromptu.

I don't believe that the judges have the benefit of instant replay and there is only one technical specialist. After reviewing the recordings, they'll probably see that Kim was overscored.

Considering that the judges at last year's worlds were able to detect Mao's almost invisible two-foot on the 3A, I'd say that they have pretty good eyes. Yu-Na's jumps scored as they usually do.

The audience wasn't all that impressed with Kim's skate. It was obvious that the scoring gap between Kim vs. Nakano and Rochette was bloated.

Mao had a home crowd that adores her, and Yu-Na was in a country where she'd never competed before. So it's Yu-Na's fault that unlike Mao, she wasn't in front of a doting home crowd that would have cheered insanely for a remotely good performance, like Miki's lackluster, boring, tentative LP at Worlds? If crowd support was an accurate reflection of judging, then the Zhangs should have been top 3 in the short at Salt Lake City for their standing ovation

 

[Wrlmy]

Having an opinion and preferences is absolutely acceptable and should be respected. But, fabricating facts is not, which seems to be the trend with Yuna bashers.

 

[R.D.]

I'm not crazy about either of them, so I have a very neutral stance on this feud. After watching Yuna's FS in the Youtube thread, it appears right now that she is the one to beat. Asada better watch out and stop making those mistakes if she wants to get the better of the rivalry.

 

[*Sniper*]

Asada's program was harder not only due to the 3A, but also because of the 3Lo in combination. And the PCS was rightly higher due to being the more rehearsed program.


I don't believe that the judges have the benefit of instant replay and there is only one technical specialist. After reviewing the recordings, they'll probably see that Kim was overscored.

The audience wasn't all that impressed with Kim's skate. It was obvious that the scoring gap between Kim vs. Nakano and Rochette was bloated.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand some of your comments.
You don't believe what?
Don't all the judges have the instant replay screens right in front of them??
I thought the tech specialists are the ones who call the downgrades and wrong edges, but the judges do have the access to the instant replays.

As for the audience's reaction....
A couple of them even stood up, didn't they?

 

[Bennett]

I totally agree. Her leg wraps are just horrific. Her entire body is also not propotional, she has a very long torso and very short legs, which makes her look ridiculous on ice. Her posture is also horrible. I would definitely put Joannie ahead of her by a mile.

This sounds horrible. I don't think that she has VERY long torso and VERY short legs at all. Although she is not very tall, she looks beautiful on the ice, not ridiculous at all. Yuna and Asada sisters are gifted with such proportional bodies that can make them become a model (I saw Yuna posing as a model; Mai was a professional model; Mao is even skinnier than Mai). But compared to average poeple, Yukari's body looks just great. I do care about her lean posture and wraps, but not about her body type. Besides, she has a lovely face. Her smiles are charming. Her costumes are almost always fantastic (though I am not a big fan of her current LP costume).

 

[ChrisH]

Almost all of the jumps look fully rotated at normal speed.

So I watched Nakano's FS jumps. Her landings were cleaner and better rotated than Kim's. I don't think her 3F should've been downgraded, especially since Kim had at least of couple of jumps more underrotated than that. I have no idea why Nakano's 3Lz was downgraded. We aren't talking wrong edges here, but downgrades. It looks like the judges disagreed with the technical specialist, several of them giving out -1 GOEs for the downgraded jumps even including the "flutz" when the rules I believe specify -2 or -3 GOEs.

I much preferred Kim's artistry and the PCS difference reflected that. Nakano's technical program was cleaner and more technically difficult (7 triples including the 3A) than Kim's. Kim had greater amplitude on some of her jumps. Slight edge to Nakano and yet Kim blew her away in the TES. Nakano wasn't happy with her scores until they put her above Rochette. Kim was surprised by her TES. Weird scoring.:disagree:

 

[*Sniper*]

Almost all of the jumps look fully rotated at normal speed.

So I watched Nakano's FS jumps. Her landings were cleaner and better rotated than Kim's. I don't think her 3F should've been downgraded, especially since Kim had at least of couple of jumps more underrotated than that. I have no idea why Nakano's 3Lz was downgraded. We aren't talking wrong edges here, but downgrades. It looks like the judges disagreed with the technical specialist, several of them giving out -1 GOEs for the downgraded jumps even including the "flutz" when the rules I believe specify -2 or -3 GOEs.

I much preferred Kim's artistry and the PCS difference reflected that. Nakano's technical program was cleaner and more technically difficult (7 triples including the 3A) than Kim's. Kim had greater amplitude on some of her jumps. Slight edge to Nakano and yet Kim blew her away in the TES. Nakano wasn't happy with her scores until they put her above Rochette. Kim was surprised by her TES. Weird scoring.:disagree:

Well, I'm just glad that the judges didn't agree with you.
Come Torino and the Worlds, we will have a clearer idea of how they are all scored against each other, so please contain your grudge until then.

 

[mizu_iro]

Nakano's wrap obscures a lot of her cheats. I had to watch on slow-motion, and only then could I really detect that both of the downgraded jumps had the "hooked" landing characteristic of underrotated jumps. When I was watching the performance live I did think that she went completely clean and that she deserved a higher score.

I did watch all of Yu-Na's jumps on slo-mo replay with the exception of the loop (which was slightly underrotated) and the salchow (which wasn't perfectly landed but didn't seem underrotated). None of her combos appeared underrotated- each of the jumps landed right on the blade, all the way around. The imperfect lutz was still all the way around, she just didn't check her landing.

And what flutz? Yukari generally doesn't flutz or lip; any negative GOE could probably be attributed to the underrotation or her wrap.

 

[netnuts]

Nakano's wrap obscures a lot of her cheats. I had to watch on slow-motion, and only then could I really detect that both of the downgraded jumps had the "hooked" landing characteristic of underrotated jumps. When I was watching the performance live I did think that she went completely clean and that she deserved a higher score.

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Whenever I watch her jump, I believe it's a double... Her wrap makes my head spin and I can't properly count.

 

[blue dog]

Kim should've be rewarded for her minimum pre-rotation with higher GOE marks, but she also should've been penalized with lower GOE marks and possibly downgrades for her underrotations.

Her 2nd 3Lz was one of her possibly cheated jumps. Correct outside edge and all, but not her usual height and distance. Underrotated on the landing with some ice sprayed sideways. The spray probably came from her left foot when she brought her free leg around.

The height and distance on her 3Lo was lower than on that 3Lz, which is why the 3Lo was too underrotated and required the balance check.


Asada's program was harder not only due to the 3A, but also because of the 3Lo in combination. And the PCS was rightly higher due to being the more rehearsed program.


I don't believe that the judges have the benefit of instant replay and there is only one technical specialist. After reviewing the recordings, they'll probably see that Kim was overscored.

The audience wasn't all that impressed with Kim's skate. It was obvious that the scoring gap between Kim vs. Nakano and Rochette was bloated.

I think you're trying to make it so that each competition is scored the same way. While that might be ideal, we use different judges and different specialists for each event. As we saw with the really strict TS at SA and SC, versus the more lax one at TEB and COR. Scores will never be the same from competition to competition. Sure, skaters might score in the same range, but in the end, you can't really completely think that because a skater received a lower score meant they were worse than someone in another competition. Each performance is different. This performance of Kim's could be scored more than future, even better performances. We just never know.

 

[fourclover]

Almost all of the jumps look fully rotated at normal speed.

So I watched Nakano's FS jumps. Her landings were cleaner and better rotated than Kim's. I don't think her 3F should've been downgraded, especially since Kim had at least of couple of jumps more underrotated than that. I have no idea why Nakano's 3Lz was downgraded. We aren't talking wrong edges here, but downgrades. It looks like the judges disagreed with the technical specialist, several of them giving out -1 GOEs for the downgraded jumps even including the "flutz" when the rules I believe specify -2 or -3 GOEs.

I much preferred Kim's artistry and the PCS difference reflected that. Nakano's technical program was cleaner and more technically difficult (7 triples including the 3A) than Kim's. Kim had greater amplitude on some of her jumps. Slight edge to Nakano and yet Kim blew her away in the TES. Nakano wasn't happy with her scores until they put her above Rochette. Kim was surprised by her TES. Weird scoring.:disagree:

Gees, from the way you are talking, one would think you are the technical specialist in the judges panel. I think you should apply for the position of figure skating judge since you seem to believe you know everything. (I doubt they'll hire you though - putting Yukari technically above Yu-na )

 

[ChrisH]

I'm not crazy about either of them, so I have a very neutral stance on this feud. After watching Yuna's FS in the Youtube thread, it appears right now that she is the one to beat. Asada better watch out and stop making those mistakes if she wants to get the better of the rivalry.

Neither am I. I probably like Yu-Na more than Asada because Yu-Na is more similar to Caroline. Yu-Na will definitely be the one to beat if they overlook her underrotations and slight lip while nailing Asada's underrotations and obvious flutz.

And what flutz? Yukari generally doesn't flutz or lip; any negative GOE could probably be attributed to the underrotation or her wrap.

Yukari's 3Lz was given a "<" and an "e".

 

[fabio]

Yeah. I agree with you 'Wrlmy'.
ChrisH...you are the Yuna basher!

 

[Tonichelle]

again - playing mod (and mother) here...

if you have issues use the correct paths to take care of it (either take the issues off the board or report an offensive post)

name calling solves nothing and ruins an otherwise good thread.

 

[blue dog]

again - playing mod (and mother) here...

if you have issues use the correct paths to take care of it (either take the issues off the board or report an offensive post)

name calling solves nothing and ruins an otherwise good thread.

Toni, you *wags finger* are a basher basher!

 

[mizu_iro]

Toni, you *wags finger* are a basher basher!

Back to the topic...I wasn't aware that Yukari had gotten the lip designation. It's the first time I've ever seen her dinged for a wrong-edge takeoff, even on snarky figure skating boards like this one.

 

[Tonichelle]

Toni, you *wags finger* are a basher basher!

*puts on her best mother's scowl* Don't MAKE me come over there!

 

[passion]

I got a link to Yu-Na's performance on YouTube from another thread. Please offend me, if I'm not allowed to post it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEA7SdcfT0I

After watching the video several times, I personally think some parts of her scores were somewhat inflated. Comparing to what we saw at CoC, I think there she did a better job in terms of music interpretation and transition. I also perceived some of movements especially spins were a little slow today. Don't get me wrong. I'm a big of Yu-Na and seeing her score will leave a wide grin on my face for all day.

Wow! Yu Na is an artist to the core. I'm speechless. Between Mao and Yu Na, I definitely prefer Yu Na.

Yu Na has such a beautiful quality to her skating. She has really captured my heart.

 

[bubbleyum]

yuna makes it easy to be her fan
she looked so relieved after the program, heh.

and brian orser, how cute is he pounding away at the sideboards? looks like he's really taken to his coach role. love him more than when he was actually skating.
now if only he would help fix yuna's free leg and non-pointed toes...

 

[bekalc]

Neither am I. I probably like Yu-Na more than Asada because Yu-Na is more similar to Caroline. Yu-Na will definitely be the one to beat if they overlook her underrotations and slight lip while nailing Asada's underrotations and obvious flutz.


Yukari's 3Lz was given a "<" and an "e".

OOOHHHH. I see it your attacking Yu-na because your a Caroline fan..

Yu-na herself said that some of her jumps were shaky probably the loop, the last lutz, and the salcow.. But she looked pleased with her performance, and well all of her jumps underrotated... I think you need to ask yourself why your the only person who notices this underrotation..