Ekaterina Bobrova & Dmitri Soloviev

[tulosai]

yes because she is sure of it she didnt take any of it.

by her statement and reaction, I totally believe Bobrova
could it be for some reason the last time she took them November 2015 the substance that stayed increased due to some other chemical hormones in her body is that possible ? or that doctor who injected her was just plain nasty or reckless.

nevertheless, Bobrova did not do this on purpose
no way should she be damned

But if she really is sure she didn't take any of it (at least knowingly) to me this is exactly why someone would want their B sample tested.

I am not saying I don't believe her (I strongly lean toward believing her) but to me this is the weirdest thing about the whole situation.

 

[sneakers]

But if she really is sure she didn't take any of it (at least knowingly) to me this is exactly why someone would want their B sample tested.

I am not saying I don't believe her (I strongly lean toward believing her) but to me this is the weirdest thing about the whole situation.

well Saharapova just got positive of the same drug, this was recently banned just Jan 2016
I wonder what happens with more athletes getting positive from this

will they consider something about this drug

 

[adelia]

But if she really is sure she didn't take any of it (at least knowingly) to me this is exactly why someone would want their B sample tested.

I am not saying I don't believe her (I strongly lean toward believing her) but to me this is the weirdest thing about the whole situation.

I don't understand this part either. Sigh.

 

[elysium]

Really shocking news! It would be so sad if their career ended like this.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

I'm so sad about this. And Snow63......how is he handling it.

I was really just starting to get to know this Team better too. Hoping for the best.

#TeamBeaver4Always

 

[Snow63]

Definitely cold shower for me this morning.

I don't believe Katia knowingly used banned drug, like seriously? After she waited for Dima's return for 2 seasons? I don't believe it, whatever people here say. I also believe Maria, it was an accident. Mildronat is famous drug in Russia, it costs like 3 dollars and you don't need a recipe from doctor to buy it. People used it for ages. Athletes included. So, it's no rocket science, not nano-drugs worth millions dollars, so who in their right mind would use it knowing it's banned?

It's like a bad dream. Their return was SO DIFFICULT, physically and mentally, and now's that... I'm not sure if they have it in them to do that again.

 

[Snow63]

Latest Dima's Instagram post hints something scary, to be honest. I think he suspects someone who drugged Bobrova. Oh my.. Russian national FS team is the most rotten team ever. I woundn't be surprised if that's true. Maybe just my imagination, though..

P.S. I believe Katia will be disqualified for half-year, no way in hell they'll give her 4 years ban.

 

[uhh]

Latest Dima's Instagram post hints something scary, to be honest. I think he suspects someone who drugged Bobrova. Oh my.. Russian national FS team is the most rotten team ever. I woundn't be surprised if that's true. Maybe just my imagination, though..

P.S. I believe Katia will be disqualified for half-year, no way in hell they'll give her 4 years ban.

At first I thought the idea that someone drugged her was crazy, but then I look at who else has ties to the doctor who supposedly administered it, & I don't think it's such a crazy idea.

Unfortunately, even if it's found that she took it unintentionally, it's a 2 year minimum ban.

 

[deedee1]

There's another thread ongoing in The Edge http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?58763-Bobrova-Soloviev-out-of-Worlds where we can talk about it throughly if we want. I feel for you all, because I'm in love with their Anna Karenina so much and cheer for this lovely team to do very well at the upcoming Worlds, too. But this is a fan thread for them, so let's stop unnecessary speculation for now, let's wait and wish them the best until official announcements to come out. :yes:

 

[NoNameFace]

so shocked and stunned by this...

I can only have a hope that this was not intentional from Ekaterina's side - I so fell in love with them this season and that's how it ends?! I'm crushed...

 

[tulosai]

At first I thought the idea that someone drugged her was crazy, but then I look at who else has ties to the doctor who supposedly administered it, & I don't think it's such a crazy idea.

Unfortunately, even if it's found that she took it unintentionally, it's a 2 year minimum ban.

Are you sure it's a 2 year minimum ban? I've been reading elsewhere that she and Sharapova might just get 6 months? Honestly at this point in the cycle/their careers a 2 year ban is hardly better than a 4 year one... it probably would also mean their careers are over.

 

[uhh]

Are you sure it's a 2 year minimum ban? I've been reading elsewhere that she and Sharapova might just get 6 months? Honestly at this point in the cycle/their careers a 2 year ban is hardly better than a 4 year one... it probably would also mean their careers are over.

This is from the WADA anti-doping code:

10.2.1 The period of Ineligibility shall be four years where:
10.2.1.1 The anti-doping rule violation does not involve a Specified Substance, unless the Athlete or other Person can establish that the anti-doping rule violation was not intentional. (i.e. skipping multiple tests)
10.2.1.2 The anti-doping rule violation involves a Specified Substance and the Anti-Doping Organization can establish that the antidoping rule violation was intentional.
10.2.2 If Article 10.2.1 does not apply, the period of Ineligibility shall be two years. (This would cover accidental doping violations like what Bobrova claims has happened. The reasoning behind it from WADA is that an athlete has the ultimate responsibility over what goes into their body. It's not enough to say "I just did what the doctor told me", they have to be 100% sure that anything they take is permitted by the code.)

The full thing is here & I can't see any mention of just a six month period: https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada-2015-world-anti-doping-code.pdf

Of course there is perhaps still a small chance they can negotiate something, claim some kind of extenuating circumstances (more for Sharapova with her claim it was for heart irregularities/pre-diabetes). But on the other side there are so many Russian athletes that are turning up positive tests for this - today two top speed skaters, biathletes & skiers previously, plus Sharapova - that, combined with the ongoing problems in Russian athletics I can't see WADA agreeing to come kind of deal, or accepting that it was a one off mistake. The whole thing is starting to look like it was organised from the top down & WADA will want to show they can get the situation under control and stamp down on anyone who was seen to be part of the wrongdoing.

 

[solani]

The doping bans are always very very short in tennis compared to other sports. So we might see Sharapova competing in 6 months (or even at the Olympics ...) and Bobrova getting a 4 year ban. I think that Sharapova's case could help Bobrovas, but not if the WADA wants to set an example.

 

[Snow63]

At first I thought the idea that someone drugged her was crazy, but then I look at who else has ties to the doctor who supposedly administered it, & I don't think it's such a crazy idea.

Unfortunately, even if it's found that she took it unintentionally, it's a 2 year minimum ban.

Ukrainian biathlonists only got 6 months. They were caught on Mildronat too, just a couple of weeks ago. So maybe there is a chance. :sad21:

 

[Snow63]

New information from Katia:
- She used Mildronat till November 2015, after that she dropped it once and forever.
- She declined testing her 'B' sample because they were sure they still had a chance to clarify it all, to prove her innocence, and go to the Worlds in Boston.
- AFTER that she got a letter, and the dose of Mildronat in it shocked her because it was GIGANTIC.
- The dose this big can be detected in blood only if it was injected not more than 24 prior the test.

So. So many questions. Zero answers. http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20160308/902335536.html

 

[Snow63]

It looks like for some skaters who didn't qualify for Euros or didn't medal it could end up a blessing...

 

[shyne]

New information from Katia:
- She used Mildronat till November 2015, after that she dropped it once and forever.
- She declined testing her 'B' sample because they were sure they still had a chance to clarify it all, to prove her innocence, and go to the Worlds in Boston.
- AFTER that she got a letter, and the dose of Mildronat in it shocked her because it was GIGANTIC.
- The dose this big can be detected in blood only if it was injected not more than 24 prior the test.

So. So many questions. Zero answers. http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20160308/902335536.html

It doesn't make sense to me to decline the sample B testing and claim to be innocent.
I would have the sample B tested ASAP to make sure it's not someone else's sample or sample contamination.

 

[tulosai]

Can she not have the B sample tested now?

 

[bramweld]

It doesn't make sense to me to decline the sample B testing and claim to be innocent.
I would have the sample B tested ASAP to make sure it's not someone else's sample or sample contamination.

I would have been more optimistic if she didn't already admit that she was taking the drug and if she insisted on having the b sample tested. Her judges will find it difficult to find her completely innocent. For Dmitri's sake I hope they get nothing more than 6 months. This is not the way to end a career.

 

[solani]

Can she not have the B sample tested now?

She could still request it, I doubt that the WADA wouldn't grant the request. But because she declined the B sample to be tested in the first place it's sufficient proof of a violation. Also, the WADA can decide to test the B sample anytime.