Elena Ilinykh & Ruslan Zhiganshin

[Spiral]

No, I was referring to the dress only, not the head. That picture is taken from D&G Milan show. I'm not saying they have to make a copy of that. I like the cut and the style. The upper body could be a different colour and slightly different. I like a rainbow upper body idea like this for example. Obviously the skirt should be a different fabric. Not tulle which is transparent. Also, she could go for a one piece cut but with colours. After all, she will have more than one costume I think. It also depends from the hair style. I have no idea what Ruslan should wear though. :think:

A part from the fact that we're just "playing" with ideas for our own pleasure here - I don't think she's checking this topic for our suggestions - but define "simple and stylish", please. Simple black, pastel, grey, peach, green, red? I like red and it's great on her but she used that for Carmen and I think Frida needs colours, even if the cut is simple.

I like the idea of a rainbow top! I think it could look simple and stylish, but at the same time colorful. And if black is used for the skirt and trimmings, then Ruslan could wear black. Because if she went for a solid color, then black, grey, pastel or peach aren't colorful, I'm not sure how green would look on her, and that leaves red. Personally, I'd be fine with her wearing a burgundy red, but then I'm not sure what Ruslan could wear, and a combination of red and black might seem to resemble the Carmen costumes too much. And a design of flowers on the dress might be too much, if she'll also be wearing flowers on her head. Lol! I'm sure glad I'm not a fs dress designer. But that total metallic silver was an inspired idea for the SD - so fitting and so original!

 

[The Finn]

Both Ilinykh/Zhiganshin and Bobrova/Soloviev has been assigned to the Mordovian Ornament. That will be very interesting competition.

 

[alithia]

No, I was referring to the dress only, not the head. That picture is taken from D&G Milan show. I'm not saying they have to make a copy of that. I like the cut and the style. The upper body could be a different colour and slightly different. I like a rainbow upper body idea like this for example. Obviously the skirt should be a different fabric. Not tulle which is transparent. Also, she could go for a one piece cut but with colours. After all, she will have more than one costume I think. It also depends from the hair style. I have no idea what Ruslan should wear though. :think:



A part from the fact that we're just "playing" with ideas for our own pleasure here - I don't think she's checking this topic for our suggestions - but define "simple and stylish", please. Simple black, pastel, grey, peach, green, red? I like red and it's great on her but she used that for Carmen and I think Frida needs colours, even if the cut is simple.

I think soon we will see. The costumes don't worry me that much, she has good taste and especially in colour picking.
But I was referring to this part in the interview http://fsrussia.ru/intervyu/1209-el...-portretnogo-skhodstva-s-fridoj-ne-budem.html

Однозначно в этой программе не будет модерна, каких-то новшеств, нового видения Фриды. Это будет лаконичный и понятный образ.

So she basically said not a modern approach like Frida reinvented , but something neat, (laconic both in russian and my language means neat,and not extravagant) and easily understood.
Now what they exactly mean by that I'm not sure, but I agree with you that probably the cut will be simple. It's not much left,a month all in all

 

[alithia]

Both Ilinykh/Zhiganshin and Bobrova/Soloviev has been assigned to the Mordovian Ornament. That will be very interesting competition.

And with practically only Tobias/Tkatchenko there? Did I see correctly?
It's really interesting.

 

[Marta25]

So, they are really going to the Mordovian Ornament? I`m all for it, tbh, and with the line-up of that competition a podium is pretty sure.

 

[alithia]

So, they are really going to the Mordovian Ornament? I`m all for it, tbh, and with the line-up of that competition a podium is pretty sure.

According to this but I guess the event's page hasn't been updated yet. And they are still listed as substitutes for Finlandia, they could practically do both but it's a week apart.( I'm selfish I know)

 

[Marta25]

According to this but I guess the event's page hasn't been updated yet. And they are still listed as substitutes for Finlandia, they could practically do both but it's a week apart.( I'm selfish I know)

As long as they actually skate at one Challenger, I don`t care where they skate. Although it would be interesting to see them compete against B/S infront of an international panel.

 

[LisaM]

That's gonna be a great fight!

 

[bramweld]

That's gonna be a great fight!

Oh yes, now this will be exciting. Hopefully both teams have great skates. It's unfortunate that they don't seem to have much competition though.

 

[Meoima]

That's gonna be a great fight!

To be honest I don't expect I/Z to have good results right at the beginning of season. They will grow as the season goes. I hope to see their programs get more gel.

 

[Duality]

I'm not sure that participating in the competition in Saransk and losing to BS will be good for IZ. It might be a signal for judges at GP to give them worse PCS cause they aren't number one in Russia anymore. I would prefer them to go to Finland instead.

 

[bramweld]

I'm not sure that participating in the competition in Saransk and losing to BS will be good for IZ. It might be a signal for judges at GP to give them worse PCS cause they aren't number one in Russia anymore. I would prefer them to go to Finland instead.

Well in all honesty Ruslena planned to go to Saransk from May. How were they to know that B/S would choose to compete there as well?

But more importantly for Ilinykh I've seen the judges not care much whether she's considered first or second in Russia. What it will come down to on the day is who gives the better performance.

Do you really think all will be lost for the season if they lose to B/S at one senior B in October?

I would be more worried for B/S. They looked very visibly disappointed by their skate in Samara less than a week ago. They themselves knew that wasn't a 112 points skate. Dima isn't 100% yet, so expending yourself so early in the season could have repercussions for later in the season.

 

[Snow63]

Well in all honesty Ruslena planned to go to Saransk from May. How were they to know that B/S would choose to compete there as well?

But more importantly for Ilinykh I've seen the judges not care much whether she's considered first or second in Russia. What it will come down to on the day is who gives the better performance.

Do you really think all will be lost for the season if they lose to B/S at one senior B in October?

I would be more worried for B/S. They looked very visibly disappointed by their skate in Samara less than a week ago. They themselves knew that wasn't a 112 points skate. Dima isn't 100% yet, so expending yourself so early in the season could have repercussions for later in the season.

Ill better save my breath this time.

And no, whoever will win at Saransk don't have any guarantees for the rest of the season. Both teams will still need to hit all the levels to score high regardless of the win or the lose at Saransk.

 

[Marta25]

I think the Challenger is a great opportunity for I/Z to show their programs and considering the line-up a second place seems to be guaranteed. They have 4 weeks between the test skates and the Challenger, where they can work on improving their polish and speed of their programs. It seems like the Russian specialists liked their programs, so they don`t need to change them fundamentally as last year`s FD. I think they can only profit of going there. I also agree with bramweld, B/S were #1 for 4 years, more or less, but in the end Elena was the one going home with an individual Olympic Bronze Medal. Even if B/S beat I/Z now, that doesn`t mean they are going to beat them for the next 3 years.

 

[elif]

I'm not sure that participating in the competition in Saransk and losing to BS will be good for IZ. It might be a signal for judges at GP to give them worse PCS cause they aren't number one in Russia anymore. I would prefer them to go to Finland instead.

Did this stop I/K to beat B/S ever? I/K didn't even qualify to GPF in olympic year unlike B/S, also lost nationals to them but they won olympic medal at end. Why? Ilinykh/Zhiganshin's PCS doesn't come from just being russian number 1. They have excellent skating skills and interesting programs which had to result high PCS anyway.

I hope both teams will be there because it is going to be great battle. I will give SD to B/S, FD to I/Z for now.

 

[Snow63]

I personally see two different possible scenarios of the outcome:
1. Both teams got very close scores with two clean/relatively clean skates. That would mean, 'ok guys, you're both good so we'll se how you will do during the season before we decide', this also would mean that one team would back the other team up if the other team have bad skate at big events.
2. One of the teams have significantly higher score than the other (2,3 and more points difference) with clean/relatively clean skates. That would mean that the federation already decided who will be #1 team, and the other teams (Stepanova, Sinistina, Monko etc.) actually have a chance to close the gap to the second team. I have an information that the fed officials were very pleased with M/K at test skates (despite her problems in FD), and Tarasova praised S/B to no end, and you never know about Zoueva and 'four blue eyes'. This scenario is less possible than the first one, but who knows?

I also absolutely sure that it was a political decision to bring both teams to Saransk.

 

[uhh]

I wouldn't be surprised if B/S won by a large ish margin, just because they are more ready at this point in time - they've had 2 summers working on the Anna FD, and Bobrova said they started working on the RW back in March when Soloviev was slowly getting back on the ice. But that doesn't mean they'll stay ahead for the whole season, or be no. 1 for the rest of this Olympic cycle. The important thing for I/Z to do is to skate their best, give 2 clean performances and get feedback from judges on what they need to work on.

And just remember that last year, all the other teams & coaches were talking about how they were the best, fastest, deserved to be the top team, & I/Z kept their heads down, worked and come out on top. They just need to keep doing that and not worrying about Bobrova & Soloviev's talk about only coming back to be no. 1 and how the judges must have missed them so much.

 

[Marta25]

Tarasova is just not giving up

Well, we will see what happens, who knows if I/Z are even going. I think as of right now, the other teams are not on the level as I/Z and B/S. For me they are clearly #1 and #2 in Russia. I think M/K have the potential to get the #3 spot, but if Tiffany gets her release, they would also be in the mix for a spot on the Euros team.
Anyway, I/Z have amazing skating skills and it`s clear that they worked very, very hard on their weakness, which were the lifts. I`m just thankful that they have programs that are actually worthy of their talent and will allow them to compete with the other top teams.

 

[Snow63]

I wouldn't be surprised if B/S won by a large ish margin, just because they are more ready at this point in time - they've had 2 summers working on the Anna FD, and Bobrova said they started working on the RW back in March when Soloviev was slowly getting back on the ice. But that doesn't mean they'll stay ahead for the whole season, or be no. 1 for the rest of this Olympic cycle. The important thing for I/Z to do is to skate their best, give 2 clean performances and get feedback from judges on what they need to work on.

Yes, but they haven't skated in front of international judges for 1.5 years, while Elena and Ruslan had a very full last season. The door is basically open for both teams, I don't know why everyone is so sure Elena and Ruslan will lose. But I agree that whoever will win doesn't get any guarantees for the rest of the season, and especially the whole Olympic cycle.

Tarasova is just not giving up

She said 'I don't like it' about B/S FD by the way That's why they'll probably change the ending.
Don't know what she said about I/Z dances sadly. All I know the officials were generally pleased with their 'Frida' FD

 

[Marta25]

Yes, but they haven't skated in front of international judges for 1.5 years, while Elena and Ruslan had a very full last season. The door is basically open for both teams, I don't know why everyone is so sure Elena and Ruslan will lose. But I agree that whoever will win doesn't get any guarantees for the rest of the season, and especially the whole Olympic cycle.

Elena and Ruslan have two very demanding programs this year, which means they will need more time than last season to show them with more speed and polish. Besides, they are only in their second season together and are compared with a team that is skating together since 15 years. I`m not going to be disappointed if they end up second, but I also won`t overanalyze it if they win against B/S. What counts are the results at Euros and Worlds.

Poor Zhulin, he just cannot win with Tarasova

Of course they loved Frida, it`s a masterpiece in the making