Elena Ilinykh & Ruslan Zhiganshin
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love: black-and-white shots).
TAT made this comment about I/Z yesterday. Something is lost in the translation when I use google? Could a native speaker please translate for me?
Татьяна Анатольевна, поделитесь своим впечатлением от танцевального дуэта Ильиных — Жиганшин? Каковы их перспективы в этом году? И что вы можете сказать по прошествии времени обо всех перестановках в танцевальных парах?
Бывает, что и семья распадается. В парах же то же самое — развод. Это всегда жалко, и виноваты оба. Мне жаль, что некоторых пар нет, но мне и другие сейчас нравятся. Но я хочу пожелать, чтобы они работали не покладая рук, не расстраивались по мелочам, для того чтобы с этого года стать конкурентоспособными.
Татьяна Анатольевна, поделитесь своим впечатлением от танцевального дуэта Ильиных — Жиганшин? Каковы их перспективы в этом году? И что вы можете сказать по прошествии времени обо всех перестановках в танцевальных парах?
Бывает, что и семья распадается. В парах же то же самое — развод. Это всегда жалко, и виноваты оба. Мне жаль, что некоторых пар нет, но мне и другие сейчас нравятся. Но я хочу пожелать, чтобы они работали не покладая рук, не расстраивались по мелочам, для того чтобы с этого года стать конкурентоспособными.
Resume: she is sad that 'old' pairs split. But she likes new pairs (both). They still need to work very hard to be relevant in judges' eyes this year (I am wondering if she said that after she's seen their teast skates or before that).
For me it looks like she thinks that old pair were better.
If we combine all this with the Lena Ilinykh is really trying, Soloviev is injured (do they skate together), Andrei Bukin coaches Bukin who won two junior titles, and probably H/B aren't champions, yes it makes sense
Yes, Tarasova told that Bukin won Junior World Champs twice, which is not true, S&B won only once. But I believe that father Bukin is helping his son on the ice sometimes.
Tarasova was more times asked about perspectives of Russian couples including new ones, she tried to be always nice and spoke that she wishes them good luck.
She noticed Sinitsina & Katsalapov, she told that she believes in Zueva. She noticed that Lena is working also (what poor Ruslan did to her again that she didn’t notice him).
She says that she saw both new couples, but it is not her right to judge them (I don’t know why). She also says that Zueva is working 8 hours a day (I remember Vika & Nikita swore to work on the ice whole day) and Alexeeva also works in the same system like Zueva, because Alexeeva was working with Tarasova for long time working – 25 years, so she knows her schedule.
But in one question Tatiana looses face in wishing all good luck…when she is asked about Stepanova & Bukin…she answers that she likes their programs, she think that they MUST get into National Team, she counts with them.
(It reminds me last season where Tarasova during TV Olympic broadcast of Vika & Ruslan’s FD openly persuaded people that Bukin should come at Senior Worlds instead of Vika & Ruslan.)
I think Stepanova/Bukin old favorites of her.
Didn't think of that one.
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Like all coaches do. What' so unsual, or incredible about that, according to TAT?
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This is the full Online Q&A with Tatiana Tarasova: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/index.php?threads/tat-q-a.93246/
Thanks to quiqie for the translation.
Thanks to quiqie for the translation.
Tatiana Tarasova always had their favourite skaters and once she falls in love with them, she tries to help them in any possible way. So I would change the question from: “What Ruslan did to TAT?“ to “What Ruslan did to TAT’s favourite Bukin?“
Maybe the answer is hidden in the past seasons…
Stepanova & Bukin’s international journey at Junior Grand Circuit starts in 2010/11 when they got gold and silver medal at JGP. That was great start, almost nobody wins first JGP. They qualify into Junior Grand Prix Final. But what happened, they came third there. Why? Because Sinitsina & Zhiganshin finished second (they even won short dance at those Final). So, although Bukin’s first junior year was great, everybody spoke about Vika & Ruslan who finished better and were even able to be compete with Monko & Khaliavin – the best junior couple of the season.
Russian Junior Nationals in 2010/11 – Sinitsina was ill shortly before Nationals, so the couple didn’t compete and Bukin came in fourth and didn’t qualify for the Junior Worlds.
(This is first strange behaviour from Russian Federation toward Vika & Ruslan – while other couples/single skaters who couldn’t compete at Jr. Nationals get Jr. World spot, Vika & Ruslan like Silver Medalists from JGP Final tha season were not allowed to get spot for Jr. Worlds, instead of them third couple from Russian Jr. Nationals Kosigina & Moroshkin were sent although they finished sixth at Finals).
Next season started greatly for Stepanova & Bukin – they won both their JGP. The same thing for Vika & Ruslan. But what disaster. Vika & Ruslan wins JGP Final getting 12 points more than Stepanova & Bukin, and Ivan falls in Twizzles during SD and couple finishes third overall.
Russian Junior Nationals 2011/12 – once again Vika & Ruslan straightly win both SD and FD – they win overall. S&B are second in both and second overall.
The same situation happens at Junior World Champs 2012 – Vika & Ruslan win. Once again Bukin shows greats qualities, but it is Vika & Ruslan who people spoke about much more.
In 2012/13 season Vika & Ruslan enters senior stage and they are immediately getting Bronze Medal at Cup of Russia, but they didn’t qualify into National Team. Stepanova & Bukin stay in juniors, win everything, finally Ivan is taken like Junior Number 1.
In 2013/14 season – there is another comparison. Stepanova & Bukin not only don’t medal at their first Grand Prix Season, they have only one spot and they finish last. Both couples meet at Winter Universiade and even with unfair 4 deduction Vika & Ruslan got, the couple gets Bronze Medal… while Stepanova & Bukin finish fifth. Russian Nationals 2013/14 – Vika & Ruslan surprises with great dances so much, that finally judges forget to keep Riazanova & Tkachenko on their places and put Vika & Ruslan on the third place and into National Team….Stepanova & Bukin skate strong but it is no better than sixth place.
Although Vika & Ruslan gets fourth place at their first European Champs (the same placement I&K got their opening senior year and Russian Fed was in heaven praising I&K so much for such incredibly good placement while debuting)…Tarasova speaks at Olympics during Vika & Ruslan’s FD how should be Bukin sent at World Champs to get a reputation…. finally it is Vika & Ruslan who get the World spot and finish seventh there (once again the same placement like I&K had and everybody was happy with such high placement in the first senior year…Davis & White were seventh in their debut at World Champs as well)…did you notice any special congratulations to the couple for such great placement and (together with I&K) keeping three spots for Russian dancers next year? No. Probably even TAT even Russian Fed didn’t notice that.
So I would look for reasons of Tarasova’s feelings somewhere between junior and senior years…and I would say that probably as long as Ruslan will skate and as long as he will be better skater and dancer than Bukin, as long Tarasova will not like him…
(And probably Ruslan’s father never skate and he was never coached by Tarasova.)
The usual Russian nonsense. Unable to be objective. This should mean by extension that Ruslan is doing very well, something papa Bukin and Tarasova struggle with. What I also sense is that Ruslan and Lena do not have strong connections (that is powerful parents or Zueva) so the only out they have is to skate great. I hope they do very well.
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This. :thumbsup:
The talking will be done on ice. The rest is whishful thinking and gossip.
Well here's a video of Victoria and Nikita and to be honest they are looking pretty good so far. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfubf_viChw It looks like he did the swan lift with her except in the opposite direction but overall they are looking in sync.
