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Elizabet Tursynbaeva

hanyuufan5 said:
Same! I mean, she's improved the way all skaters do from gaining more experience, but I don't see how she's gotten dramatically better. She was always that good, just few saw it, if you ask me! But I did right from the first time I saw her.
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Agreed, i also liked her Carmen Fantasy SP a lot, this season she's improved in the key aspects she needed to become a top competitor. Jumps got bigger and more consistent and she has the technical contents to match the top skaters. The fact that she is the first woman to land a 4S in a senior competition, that's an historical achievement.

I personally thought she had the potential to get here even with Brian but judges wanted the consistency that wasn't there at the time, the programs were too easy (last season the layout for the SP was 3s-3t, 3lo x, 2a x) and yet with mistakes and underrotations.
 
hanyuufan5 said:
CONGRATULATIONS! :cheer:

I knew it! I knew she'd land that 4S, and I think I woke the whole neighborhood when she did. :laugh:



Same! I mean, she's improved the way all skaters do from gaining more experience, but I don't see how she's gotten dramatically better. She was always that good, just few saw it, if you ask me! But I did right from the first time I saw her.
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Her good qualities have always been there, and I also liked her Carmen Fantasy a lot as it highlights her skating skills really well. The first time I saw her was in 2017 4CC, "I Got Rhythm" was very captivating.

I think the main reason people find her change dramatic is her confidence. She gained confidence through her success in 4CC and you see it shining through her skating.

Quad sal or not, to think this girl had a serious injury less than a year ago and could hardly jump a 3S, it is a miracle that she recovered all the way up to this point. She just needs to add that 3Lz3T back into her program and she'll be technically on par with her 16-year-old self.
 
New narrative for Lilbet, there is no change in the quality of her skating :)

Well, one thing is a potential, which she always had, the other is proper training and proprer programs. That's what she has now. Sorry, but if you just look on the results, that narrative falls like a house of cards. For the whole four years her top score was 200.98 and that was one isolated case, most of the time her score was somewhere between 175-190. The rise over 200 in this season is huge. Yes, not everything went so smoothly, so GP series weren't much of success, but that was in "toleration area", just in the beginning. Now, she is one of the absolute top and that is because she has improved so much in the old-new team, previous scores were not because some accidental events or occational unstability (or because the judges don't like Orser :laugh2:), that could explain some few competitions, maybe even one season, but not three complete senior seasons. At least if you don't want to lie to yourself.
 
flanker said:
New narrative for Lilbet, there is no change in the quality of her skating :)

Well, one thing is a potential, which she always had, the other is proper training and proprer programs. That's what she has now. Sorry, but if you just look on the results, that narrative falls like a house of cards. For the whole four years her top score was 200.98 and that was one isolated case, most of the time her score was somewhere between 175-190. The rise over 200 in this season is huge. Yes, not everything went so smoothly, so GP series weren't much of success, but that was in "toleration area", just in the beginning. Now, she is one of the absolute top and that is because she has improved so much in the old-new team, not because some accidental events or occational unstability (or because the judges don't like Orser :laugh2:), that could explain some few competitions, maybe even one season, but not three complete senior seasons. At least if you don't want to lie to yourself.
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if she didn't missed 3T and performed 2A-3T exactly as at Universiade her total score would be 231.39 :eeking:
 
flanker said:
New narrative for Lilbet, there is no change in the quality of her skating :)

Well, one thing is a potential, which she always had, the other is proper training and proprer programs. That's what she has now. Sorry, but if you just look on the results, that narrative falls like a house of cards. For the whole four years her top score was 200.98 and that was one isolated case, most of the time her score was somewhere between 175-190. The rise over 200 in this season is huge. Yes, not everything went so smoothly, so GP series weren't much of success, but that was in "toleration area", just in the beginning. Now, she is one of the absolute top and that is because she has improved so much in the old-new team, previous scores were not because some accidental events or occational unstability (or because the judges don't like Orser :laugh2:), that could explain some few competitions, maybe even one season, but not three complete senior seasons. At least if you don't want to lie to yourself.
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Not sure if you were in part referring to my comment, but what I meant by no dramatic change (not no change at all) is that a big part of her sudden rise is that they finally stopped heinously underscoring her.
 
hanyuufan5 said:
Not sure if you were in part referring to my comment, but what I meant by no dramatic change (not no change at all) is that a big part of her sudden rise is that they finally stopped heinously underscoring her.
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Calling that change less than dramatic is an understatement :)
 
I think we can all agree that PCS relies on consistency and also a little on tech. The Lilbet of the last four years was just not good. She was barely breaking top 10 at 4CC. No consistency and therefore fairly forgettable and not considered a threat.

This year she has a quad. True she started training it late in the year but her 2 competition falls were not bad falls and she landed it when it counted most. She's very much more consistent. Her SP delivery was confident, and the quad requires a high level of confidence to attempt even. If there are not dramatic changes then I don't know what is. She has never done so well before (and this years womens field is one of the strongest - people doing lutzloops, 2 top ladies with 3A, and the first of the quad attempts). Even you say her PCS was underscored (though PCS should rightfully be low in a program with falls) her tech and consistency was just never there.

And to put her own words up here: she herself said she feels comfortable now and so the results came.
 
in season 2018/2019 Elizabet was 5th and 6th at two competitions (GP stages) and 2nd at six competitions. Can we call her "Silver Lilbet" ? :think:
 
When I think people said Liza will never medal under Eteri and she’s a silver 4CC, universiade and world medalist now
 
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