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She probably doesn't need to do a 3A to win most competitions now- if she goes totally clean she should probably be able to beat almost anyone but Mao.
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She probably doesn't need to do a 3A to win most competitions now- if she goes totally clean she should probably be able to beat almost anyone but Mao.
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On the other hand there is an argument made for continuing to try to put it out there in competition if she does definitely intend/need to at certain competitions. Perhaps it would be better instead though to put it out at the very beginning of the LP and just go for the tano 2A in the short, so that at least going into the LP she's in a good position, and one mistake in the LP is definitely less potentially costly than one mistake in the short.
Makes sense.
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After watching the clip of her SP at Nice, I feel sad... Only 30.64 for the PCS? BTW, was Mishin there watching her skate?
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I agree! I love how Liza can portray the serious diva in one program, and the playful kitten in the next, and be equally believable in both!Aces avatar Caroliza
I didn't watch it live so I can't tell for sure. From the video it seems like there was a bald guy next to Prokofieva so I assume that was him.
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Yes, Mishin was in the kiss'n'cry.
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On a good note, Liza did land 3a during the warm-upHope she skates better tomorrow
:thumbsup: I hope, too!!!
I'm not sure what to think right now. On one hand, it is still early, and there's no need to panic just yet. But I wonder if all the focus on the axel has been too... condensed?
I remember, at the end of last season, I was hoping she'd just do 3A in the short and keep her original LP layout (or just add back 3Lz-3T, which is highly unlikely to be as challenging the axel). I still stand by that--the 3A isn't worth as much in the LP, and I think focusing on integrating it made her less comfortable with the programs themselves.
Fingers crossed that she'll fight back in the LP. Maybe I'm overthinking this and they were just careless mental errors. I'm getting too used to the superwoman Liza from last year (remember, at WTT she fell on the 3A but the rest of the short was perfect!); she could just need more time this year.
As for the program itself, I just watched the test skate performance (not sure if I'm going to watch the Nice one :hopelessness. I like it fine, but--and this could be an unpopular opinion--I like her LP more.
I remember, at the end of last season, I was hoping she'd just do 3A in the short and keep her original LP layout (or just add back 3Lz-3T, which is highly unlikely to be as challenging the axel). I still stand by that--the 3A isn't worth as much in the LP, and I think focusing on integrating it made her less comfortable with the programs themselves.
Fingers crossed that she'll fight back in the LP. Maybe I'm overthinking this and they were just careless mental errors. I'm getting too used to the superwoman Liza from last year (remember, at WTT she fell on the 3A but the rest of the short was perfect!); she could just need more time this year.
As for the program itself, I just watched the test skate performance (not sure if I'm going to watch the Nice one :hopelessness
. I like it fine, but--and this could be an unpopular opinion--I like her LP more. That's good to hear.On a good note, Liza did land 3a during the warm-up
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This word makes me feel better now.
Compared to 36.56 (PCS) for Adelina's SP at Mordovian Ornament, I am really shocked by Liza's score. Since it is still early in the season, no need to panic, but I still feel a little uneasy deep down in my heart. :think:
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Well, I've noticed with the guys and the quad - those who put it in or take it out based on whether or no they think they "need" it for any given competition... never gain consistency with it. If you want to go for it - you really have to go for it.
It depends on what the goals are for this season. Win as much as possible? Or get the 3A in there - and get it as consistent as possible? Is the strategy short term - or long term?
If the 3A is consistent in practice - which we don't know - then it would be in Liza's head. There's a mental hurdle to that one more revolution - knowing/thinking you can do it. When it comes to jumps, I believe Papa Mishin knows what he is doing. I don't think he would push it if he thought Liza wasn't ready. Now, no person is infallible - and it might be a mistake. But he's got tons of experience, and so, I trust him.
Anyway, I'm a Liza fan - and I'm in for the ride... bumpy or no.
ETA - On the music. Powerful music is always very unforgiving. If you skate with Power - it enhances your skating. But if you don't... the difference between the skating and the music will be very noticeable. You need Power, Command, Charisma... And Liza has these things - but when she's not "on", of course, it will be glaring. But, you need to take your chances - you can't just "play it safe".
It depends on what the goals are for this season. Win as much as possible? Or get the 3A in there - and get it as consistent as possible? Is the strategy short term - or long term?
If the 3A is consistent in practice - which we don't know - then it would be in Liza's head. There's a mental hurdle to that one more revolution - knowing/thinking you can do it. When it comes to jumps, I believe Papa Mishin knows what he is doing. I don't think he would push it if he thought Liza wasn't ready. Now, no person is infallible - and it might be a mistake. But he's got tons of experience, and so, I trust him.
Anyway, I'm a Liza fan - and I'm in for the ride... bumpy or no.
ETA - On the music. Powerful music is always very unforgiving. If you skate with Power - it enhances your skating. But if you don't... the difference between the skating and the music will be very noticeable. You need Power, Command, Charisma... And Liza has these things - but when she's not "on", of course, it will be glaring. But, you need to take your chances - you can't just "play it safe".
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I'm glad you get my sense of humour.This word makes me feel better now.
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I'm glad you get my sense of humour.
Yes, I can feel the positive vibes you emit! Thank you, adelia.
I didn't follow Mordovian Ornament but...
- It appears Adelina nailed all three jumping passes, while Liza failed all three of hers. That makes a huge difference in PCS (and absolutely should)
- Adelina got the home inflation bonus PCS, plus some "Welcome back!" bonus. (Not ragging on Adelina! Just stating the facts.)
I'm not worried about Liza's PCS. As LRK said, her program requires her to nail everything, and she simply didn't here. And remember, when she and Adelina came head-to-head at JO, the PCS difference was about 1 point--and that's with Liza making the more disruptive mistakes!
In fact, I'm weirdly glad that Liza's PCS were low here, so people could stop complaining about overscoring. I'll save my worrying for the day when Liza gets crappy PCS for actually good performances (though I sincerely hope those Skate America 2013 times are behind us.)
I just watched her skate and although it's too bad the jumps were not there, she did a good job with the non-jump elements, especially the step sequence which I loved. It seems that Liza just became another victim of the popping rule: if your solo triple turns into a single/double then it gets zero points. So Youn got that at Finlandia, and I felt bad for her. Now I feel bad for Liza too 
. I really want the ISU to consider changing that rule because it's too harsh TBH.
I hope Liza has a better showing for her FS! I'm beginning to see potential in the program. I'm not a fan of the vocals in the middle, but Liza seems to enjoy the program as shown in JO. Her interpretation in the step sequence with the vocals was just beautiful to see since she seemed so happy there. My favorite part of the program though is right after the step sequence. The strings are quiet and then everything suddenly turns into a wild frenzy. She skates with so much energy in this part and I think it's awesome. I'm actually not a fan of her yet, but I think I'm starting to be one.
. I really want the ISU to consider changing that rule because it's too harsh TBH.I hope Liza has a better showing for her FS! I'm beginning to see potential in the program. I'm not a fan of the vocals in the middle, but Liza seems to enjoy the program as shown in JO. Her interpretation in the step sequence with the vocals was just beautiful to see since she seemed so happy there. My favorite part of the program though is right after the step sequence. The strings are quiet and then everything suddenly turns into a wild frenzy. She skates with so much energy in this part and I think it's awesome. I'm actually not a fan of her yet, but I think I'm starting to be one.
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Liza's Nice Cup FS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcbBqVW8ODk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcbBqVW8ODk
Well, at least it was much better than the SP. And congrats to Liza on the win! (I feel pretty bad for Alena though--losing on a time deduction...).
It almost seems like Liza has too much speed on the exits of her jumps, and the landings have become hard to control as a result. :scratch: I hope everything gets sorted out by SC.
It almost seems like Liza has too much speed on the exits of her jumps, and the landings have become hard to control as a result. :scratch: I hope everything gets sorted out by SC.
