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Elizaveta's triple A

Blades of Passion said:
There's no point in her actually doing the 3A in competition at Worlds in a couple weeks. The program suffers with it in because it doesn't go with the music/choreography and she doesn't have the mileage on it yet, so the risk is not worthwhile. Having successfully done it at this minor competition, and showing it in practice at Worlds, is enough. The judges will give her huge scores simply for the "threat" of that special skill and because she is the GPF + European Champion. She is the success story of the season, someone who was considered washed up but has now come back to dominate. She needs to skate her two programs cleanly and with fire; if she does there's no way she will lose.
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:agree:

I also think that the extra advantage of not doing 3A at Worlds is that Lisa is so comfortable with the rest of her elements it is like a walk in the park for her. I simply cannot imagine her not skating cleanly (and that's is all she needs to do). Maybe it was Mishin's idea from the beginning - to give Lisa a challenge by practising 3A in two long months between Euros and Worlds and then let the pressure off a bit so she can compete at worlds with confidence & ease, at the same time having built something for the next season already.
 
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Not entirely on topic but have come across this article what some junior ladies think of 3A /quad:

http://www.ifsmagazine.com/articles/32765-quads-or-triple-axels-what-the-rising-stars-had-to-say

At ladies press conference the question was posed about adding a quad or triple Axel to their programs in the future.

Evgenia Medvedeva: "As for the triple Axel, I can absolutely say no. First of all, I have to do a clean double Axel! If I wanted to do a quad, it would be the Salchow. You could call it my favourite jump as I can go out and do it with my eyes closed. However I haven't trained the quad yet."

Serafima Sakhanovich: "The triple Axel to me would also be like a fantasy. I need to learn to do a good double Axel first. I actually have tried a quad Salchow. I did three and a half turns, but then I fell out of it. Maybe I could work on the quad toe and Salchow during the off-season. The quad toe is a little bit scarier than the Salchow because you can just slip off the edge. I think it would be worth trying though."

Wakaba Higuchi: "I haven't been able to train any quads because I've had so many competitions, but I'm really working hard on the triple Axel. At the moment, I'm about a quarter of a rotation short."
 
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^Not surprised by the responses. Yes, they say you can't gauge 3A success with a skater's 2A, since people don't do 3A with height... But you kinda can, if we consider landing and control.

Evgenia and Sima have some strong triples, but neither of their 2As are "there." It's especially apparent with Sima, whose triples are quite big, but her 2A is strangely eeked out. Not surprised she's the one who tried 4S. If she could work on smoothing out her landings and harnessing her natural athleticism...

Evgenia, if she wants 3As/quads, probably would need to focus on quick rotation Nam Nguyen-style.

I expect to see Wakaba try the 3A in the future. Not just because of her strong 2A and huge jumps, but because it's the Japanese tradition. :) Who knows if she'll succeed, but I wish her luck.
 
Im sorry, if this has been asked before, but I dont get why liza's double Lutz was worth zero points... Is there some rule that you have to do one triple Lutz/Flip/Loop and if you fail, it's invalidated?
 
Nocturne said:
Im sorry, if this has been asked before, but I dont get why liza's double Lutz was worth zero points... Is there some rule that you have to do one triple Lutz/Flip/Loop and if you fail, it's invalidated?
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The short program requirements now state, "a solo triple jump with preceding steps." 2Lz is an invalid element.

Get ready for a lot of "rotate and fall" from the earlier groups at Worlds. :frown: I think we already saw some of that at Europeans...
 
Nocturne said:
Im sorry, if this has been asked before, but I dont get why liza's double Lutz was worth zero points... Is there some rule that you have to do one triple Lutz/Flip/Loop and if you fail, it's invalidated?
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In the SP, it's mandatory that the solo jump that isn't a 2A/3A be a triple (for the men, it can also be a quad); a double is considered an invalid element.
 
drivingmissdaisy said:
Honestly, anyone at Worlds should be able to land at least two different triples or they shouldn't be there.
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True, but I expect people to try harder triples than they're comfortable with. And if it feels bad on take-off/in the air, instead of doubling it instinctively, they might force themselves to rotate. Result: 3Lz<<fall. :hopelessness:
 
drivingmissdaisy said:
Honestly, anyone at Worlds should be able to land at least two different triples or they shouldn't be there.
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You are absolutely correct. It is the World Championships. If you can't crank out two triples in the SP, you need to stay home and practice. The ability to successfully rotate and cleanly land your jumps is more important than the "experience" of being at Worlds.

I, as I have mentioned earlier, was so disappointed with the early groups of the ladies' SP at Euros.
 
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melissa_ire said:
Yesterday Lisa landed a perfect 3A in competition, the Tournament for the Prizes of the Figure Skating Federation of St. Petersburg, a video of her SP here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko-cVWXugYs

Results can be seen here :

http://fsevents.narod.ru/event/s1415/cupfspb/cupfspb_MC_K_Scores.pdf

LP is today
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Thank you melissa_ire, for this and all of the other articles/interviews that you posted!

Liza is just amazing - gutsy gal! Kind of a long set up and a slight hesitation too but she nailed that 3A! Don't know if that 2Z was popped or planned but she for sure can't do a double at Worlds in the SP - unless it's a 2A. And that combo is just no. That's my only fear with the 3A - that whether she lands it or not she'll lose focus on the other jumps in the SP.

melissa_ire said:
A little update from Lisa & Mishin:

http://tass.ru/sport/1811197

Lisa admitted that perfect execution of the most difficult jump in ladies figure skating has given her extra confidence in preparation for the World Championship. As she’d announced earlier, she is planning to include this element in Shanghai.

Her coach, Aleksei Mishin, who is at the moment in Tallinn, Estonia at the Junior Worlds, commented: ‘Lisa landed 3A for the first time in competition, she attempted it before at Open Bavaria but it was not ideal. This time everything came together.

Lisa said: ‘I was very nervous as it is still an absolutely new element for me. But it went so well I hadn’t expected it myself. In fact I was so stunned that I even couldn't complete the rest of not so difficult elements well. Okay I just have to be more focused next time. There will be no more competitions before the Worlds. I am glad that I've used this opportunity to skate in public, now I’ll concentrate on polishing my programs for the Worlds’
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And that is just what I feared - that she lost her focus. Hopefully she'll keep it together at Worlds and nail all of her jumps! :biggrin:


TheCzar said:
Ito landed all 6 at 1989 NHK, but she had a double axel in the end which brings it to seven. Isn't there a video where she landed 8? I've seen the video on youtube but correct me if i'm wrong- her jumps are so clean, however, doesn't she have a Yamada-trained lutz? which means could be a flutz?

Asada can do 5 (her flutz is solid though. Had it been the right edge, it would have been a reliable jump!), but in my eyes she landed 8 triples at Sochi. The 3T would have been a gift, but her 3F-3L I would contest. I think some of the commentators did? Kurt certainly did.

But pretty sure Liza won't be far behind as she is clearly capable. She's phenomenal. Just waiting for artistry to kick in. It'd be a shame to have gargantuan talent be mishandled and malnourished in choreography and the rest of the components. She doesn't have to be a lyrical skater, but if she took her jumps and infused it with better choreography (say....something out of Kaetlyn Osmond's repertoire). Well. Imagine that! :drama:
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I don't think Osmond's choreo is superior to Liza's, nor does she sell it any better. Quite the opposite. Apples and oranges I guess.
 
Sasha'sSpins said:
Thank you melissa_ire, for this and all of the other articles/interviews that you posted!
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Nice of you to say this! BTW I am a Sasha Cohen fan. Lisa is the first skater who won my heart after Sasha and I still don't know how - they are so different!
 
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Sasha'sSpins said:
I don't think Osmond's choreo is superior to Liza's, nor does she sell it any better. Quite the opposite. Apples and oranges I guess.
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I would say the last time Osmond skated against Liza, Osmond's choreo was much better. It isn't exactly fair to compare Osmond to Liza when she's had so much time off, and Liza happens to be having a very consistent season (which I think we all know is making up for the fact that her program really isn't particularly brilliant or difficult choreographically - double-edged sword that is Mishin, great consistency and jumping ability but at the expense of choreo).

I think Liza's confidence is there, but Osmond has always projected confidence and performed even if she hasn't skated well. So, because of that, Osmond does IMO sell her choreography better (and her choreo includes more transitions and originality with splits and spread eagles and things like that to begin with). Osmond is becoming known for a certain style (sassy mambo SP, and then a dramatic LP), the way Liza was tango-tango-tango for a while and then managed to shake that off a bit with Bolero SP and Middle Eastern LP (which itself isn't new for her). I'd love to see both of them tackle something less predictable. With lyrics, I was soooo looking forward to what Osmond would do because she's such a performer, but unfortunately her injury sidelined her. Maybe next season Liza can try something with lyrics herself.

IMO, Radionova sells her choreo slightly better than Osmond and certainly has harder choreo than the two.
 
This is good a place as any to cross-post again...

I made a short clip of Liza's 3A, slow-motion, reverse, close-up. Original video quality wasn't the best, but probably the best opportunity to see the 3A in competition at this point in time:

Elizaveta Tuktamysheva 3A
 
As great as the jump looks in this clip, the real question is what % of her attempts are successfully rotated and landed in practice?
 
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