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So what's the deal with Katia's citizenship? It'll be a shame if they won't get to go the Olympics and Stephens/Dodds go instead (if they even get the minimums).
 
karne said:
Horse manure. Amelia was third in the Juniors and was third after the SP in the Seniors even with her falls and obvious pain. She is rewarded for what she does. Holly won because the automatic base value of the jumps she attempts adds the numbers up much higher than people who aren't rotating triples. Holly also had an otherwise beautiful skate other than the falls and her SP was wonderful too. If you're going to get arsey about it, blame the IJS, not Holly, and not the judges.

The fact is, no-one other than Holly rotated any triples in the Junior Ladies. No-one. Amelia was, IIRC, the only other person than Holly to even rotate double Axels. If you can't look at a base value chart and do basic maths to see how a bunch of rotated triples adds up to more than a rotated 2A, non-rotated triple attempts and a bunch of doubles (even if rather pretty ones!) then I can't help you. Holly lost the massive five points (four falls and the time violation) that the rules demanded. I admire Amelia's skating and think she's got great promise and talent, but at the moment, she just doesn't have the technical difficulty. What you are proposing is that Amelia get Patrick Chan levels of PCS inflation to put her ahead of Holly which is not only beyond ridiculous but would not be a result replicated by an international panel and is absolutely not the direction I would want Australian Nationals to go in.

Last year it was someone else whinging about Charlton and James, this year it's you whinging about Amelia and Holly, and the fact that you cannot seem to grasp that technical content MATTERS is ludicrous.
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For goodness sake Karne - they weren't talking about Holly winning they were pointing out that Amelia Jackson pC scores were 4-5 lower than both Holly and Jordan's. Jackson did Do a clean 3s in SP but fell. Her LP she had a very nasty fall initially but then did a very good program with much more difficulty than Jordan. Holly was much luckier on some triple calls too which were borderline especially first 3lutz when she hit the boards . They were not suggesting inflating her pcs just on par with the other top 2 based on that LP - not on reputation or recent international scores but performance on the day. It is evident now by looking st protocols and with knowing which judges score higher and lower who favours or dislikes who. I think it's great as skaters can now track what judges give ! It was the same last year with Amelia at nationals except she didn't fall and won technically but Katie Pasfield was given much higher Pcs .

Holly looks 10 , Amelia 18 and very tall - so before you go frothing at the mouth being defensive over [emoji736]clearly unreasonable marking in the LP actually read what people are saying. It's disturbing how you seem to be a voice for Australian skating on this forum but your ideas and thoughts are not gospel and I get sick of reading your holier than though opinions which are incredibly biased and at times blatantly rude if someone says anything you don't agree with.

I would also like to add that OWIs incessant media saturation of certain skaters before nationals was even over is very unfair to all the other skaters. There have been several girls who have gotten quiet good marks / placing overseas which you never even hear about. At the end of the day international marks are much more meaningful and they have to prove themselves in that arena anyway.there is no issue in publishing Nice articles after skaters have won but unnecessary one sided publishing in the days before and during are disrespectful to other competitors when those skaters aren't even with OWI.

Lastly all these skaters work extremely hard and it's totally unreasonable to speak about them in this manner saying such and such is completely in a different league etc....it just creates nastiness and resentments within the skating community not to mention how it affects the skaters themselves
 
olayolay said:
So what's the deal with Katia's citizenship? It'll be a shame if they won't get to go the Olympics and Stephens/Dodds go instead (if they even get the minimums).
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She has applied for an Exceptional Talent Visa (I think that's what it's called, it's quite similar) which if approved should fast-track her Australian citizenship. The AOC are involved as well as ISA, so now all they have to do is figure out how to make the immigration department realise how much of a big deal her results with Harley are. I imagine that it'll be all okay, especially if they do well at JGPF/4CCs. My only concern for potential complication is the fact that she's a minor still.

If, for some terrible reason, Katia's citizenship doesn't clear in time, then there's a good chance we'll be sans pair at the Olympics. Paris and Matthew have been making huge improvements, but I don't know that they can reach the Olys minimums in time. If that happened, then we would have to give back our pairs spot. At this stage I am working on the assumption that all our skaters will have to go to Nebelhorn to qualify, since we won't know until Worlds if qualifying at Worlds is an actual possibility.

All I've ever wanted is to see every Aussie skater skate their best and reach their goals. And I hope Amelia gets well soon.


And on a more light-hearted note: anyone else having a reflexive reaction to hearing the Nokia ringtone in real life? :laugh: I think Mark wins the prize for funniest program. It's great.
 
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Boniboy said:
For goodness sake Karne - they weren't talking about Holly winning they were pointing out that Amelia Jackson pC scores were 4-5 lower than both Holly and Jordan's. Jackson did Do a clean 3s in SP but fell. Her LP she had a very nasty fall initially but then did a very good program with much more difficulty than Jordan. Holly was much luckier on some triple calls too which were borderline especially first 3lutz when she hit the boards . They were not suggesting inflating her pcs just on par with the other top 2 based on that LP - not on reputation or recent international scores but performance on the day. It is evident now by looking st protocols and with knowing which judges score higher and lower who favours or dislikes who. I think it's great as skaters can now track what judges give ! It was the same last year with Amelia at nationals except she didn't fall and won technically but Katie Pasfield was given much higher Pcs .

Holly looks 10 , Amelia 18 and very tall - so before you go frothing at the mouth being defensive over [emoji736]clearly unreasonable marking in the LP actually read what people are saying. It's disturbing how you seem to be a voice for Australian skating on this forum but your ideas and thoughts are not gospel and I get sick of reading your holier than though opinions which are incredibly biased and at times blatantly rude if someone says anything you don't agree with.

I would also like to add that OWIs incessant media saturation of certain skaters before nationals was even over is very unfair to all the other skaters. There have been several girls who have gotten quiet good marks / placing overseas which you never even hear about. At the end of the day international marks are much more meaningful and they have to prove themselves in that arena anyway.there is no issue in publishing Nice articles after skaters have won but unnecessary one sided publishing in the days before and during are disrespectful to other competitors when those skaters aren't even with OWI.

Lastly all these skaters work extremely hard and it's totally unreasonable to speak about them in this manner saying such and such is completely in a different league etc....it just creates nastiness and resentments within the skating community not to mention how it affects the skaters themselves
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Well said - realistically let them both get through with growing - as the Russians always say - puberty is not kind to everyone. Holly did a beautiful SP and Amelia a better LP but she was never going to catch her anyway overall.

Having said that they both had beautiful dresses !

I also thought Darian Kaptich had a great skate - boy has he grown in 12 months.

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brookes1968 said:
Having said that they both had beautiful dresses !

I also thought Darian Kaptich had a great skate - boy has he grown in 12 months.
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Oh, the number of beautiful dresses this week was incredible! In every division I probably saw four dresses at least that I totally loved, and more that I liked very much. There were very few bad dresses.

Darian's height was also a big shock to me. I mean, logically I know boys grow, but I swear he has just shot up in the last couple of months. James, too, even though he's still tiny. Also Hector has grown a lot too.
 
COMPETITION ALERTS!

Junior Grand Prix Final
Marsaille, France

Stream will be on Youtube


Pairs (Katia Alexandrovskaya/Harley Windsor)
SP: Friday 9 Dec, 2:25am - 3:19am
LP: Saturday 10 Dec, 1:20am - 2:22am


Golden Spin of Zagreb
Zagreb, Croatia

There is a stream, it's 20Euro which is about thirty Australian dollars and if you can find it or where to pay good luck to you. Event seems to be rather a shambles.

Men (Brendan Kerry) - he can finish in the top 3 of the Challenger Series if he skates well here!
SP: Friday 9 Dec, 10:00pm - 1:05am (Saturday)
LP: Sunday 11 Dec, 3:00am - 6:30am

Ladies (Brooklee Han and Kailani Craine)
SP: Friday 9 Dec, 5:00am - 7:30am
LP: Saturday 10 Dec, 5:00am - 7:50am

Ice Dance (Kimberley Hew-Low and Timothy McKernan) - they are chasing SD minimum for 4CC, good luck!
SD: Thursday 8 Dec (TONIGHT!) 10:00pm - 12:15am
FD: Saturday 10 Dec, 3:15am - 5:50am
 
aussie_SKATES said:
Australia's Kimberley Hew - Low & Timothy McKernan have earned the minimum Four Continents qualifying TES for their short dance at the ISU Challenger Series Golden Spin of Zagreb.

http://hptoneri.hr/gs2016/SEG007.HTM
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Yay. Great job from them to improve! So now our Four Continents Team consists of:

3 Men
2 Women
1 Pair Teams
3 Dance Couples

For junior worlds, we can send a representative for each discipline. (Katia and Harley would probably prefer to focus on worlds though)
For Words, we can send a rep for Mens, Ladies and Pairs.
 
Also well done Katia and Harley for a SB score at the JGPF.
Obviously there were 2 errors but they really pushed through and never gave up. They are only around 2 points from bronze and 4-5 for silver.
All I can say is, ice is slippery.
 
So apparently there was a last-minute change and the stream for Golden Spin is now free. I will post the link later since Brendan skates first in the men's SP tonight which is around 10pm.

Katia and Harley should be fourth for sure. I was not happy that the slop-fest from the last pair went ahead of them.

Pleased to hear that Brooklee and Kailani had good skates, and over the moon for Kimberly and Timothy! This 4CC team is getting bigger!
 
Really sorry everyone for not posting the link in time for Brendan. You have to sign up to Livestream to use it.

LINK

It's a pretty junk stream, but Brendan skated well. 4T, 3Lz-3T, and a foot down on the 3A. 76 and change, not bad.
 
It seems the technical panel for ladies FP were too busy looking for under rotated jumps to notice that Kailani performed a 3S (not 2S as recorded in the results) as the third jump of her 3 jump combo.

Big mistake for the technical panel especially when the technical controller is the chair of the ISU technical committee!
 
Net the best day for us today. Alot of growing pains, but i admire the determination of our athletes.

Well done Brendan- even though the bronze position slipped, he managed to attain a good score and attempted to get the toeloop and salchow out. Great 3A, and also fantastic step sequence. Great to also see him stay on his feet and go for everything.

For Katia and Harley, i think the jgpf has given them the realisation that the hard work begins now. That its not going to get easier from here on in, especially if they want to qualify for the olympics through 2017 worlds. They show their potential, but they have growing pains to get over. I hope they dont see this as a failure, but as a learning experience about how to better prepare for the big competiton and spotlight. I hope they see that being there was a reward for them. But now, time to get back to work and build confidence.
 
Brendan was actually royally screwed. No way should he have finished behind Messing, Petrov should not have beaten him, and I would have thought that Samohin's fall-fest would have been enough to drop him behind Brendan too, but no.

But the worst part is that he needed 222.47 to overtake Max Aaron and finish in the top three of the Challenger standings - and he got 221.97. :gaah:
 
I'm not sure what is going on with Katia and Harley? I thought they looked rather solid at the Australian nationals, especially with the throw lutz, and now they can't seem to land it at all? :confused:

Lots of work needed to be done. Hopefully Harley can eat a slice of humble pie and take a long, hard look at what needs to be done, because that once that initial rambunctious enthusiasm wears off, they have to realize that the difference between them and the top today is like night and day. Harley needs to work on the twist; it already looks unstable even when they do it fine, so I was not surprised at all that they had issues on the twist today, but I WAS surprised that he completely aborted it. It's been forever since I've seen someone abort a twist! He also needs to work on that 3S, since I have never seen him land it; surprised that Katia landed it though, so good for her. Harley also needs to work on his levels on the pairs elements, as level 3's won't cut it come the Olympics and Worlds, and he should also try to help his partner gain a little more elevation on the throws. For Katia, it seems like she is always round but can never get a good solid edge to ride out on, so she needs to work on that. She does seen to have a lean, so they need to work together on those too. Overall, great progress and experience for them, as they have made a statement by being at the JGPF, but unfortunately their statement was a little stale with their performances, so they should really work hard to raise judges' perceptions of them. Looking forward to seeing how they do at 4CCs!
 
Tastetherainbow said:
I'm not sure what is going on with Katia and Harley? I thought they looked rather solid at the Australian nationals, especially with the throw lutz, and now they can't seem to land it at all? :confused:
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My guess is that they just got a little bit overwhelmed on the big stage. Remember, they weren't "supposed" to be there. Everything has happened very fast. It was a horror show to watch but I am sure they know what they did wrong and what they need to do to fix it.

Additionally, I'm pretty sure Harley landed the 3S at Nationals.
 
Also, we have to remember that they are a new pair team. It takes a couple years of work for a couple to truly mesh and become a "True" pair team, if you get what I mean. They are looking for 2018 but we probably won't see their full potential at least the start of the next olympic cycle. They probably are also working at finding a way to communicate better (especially when expressing what's on each other's minds/emotions/feelings/opinions) with each other despite the obvious language barrier- this will be important in building trust between them.

And yes the spotlight. Finlandia and The Junior Grand Prix Final were probably the biggest stages either skaters ever competed in, so it is overwhelming not to notice the bright lights, and that there are more eyes in the arena and on TV watching you compete. Also, the would've been inspired, as well as intimidated a little by seeing the other top pairs competitors display a skating level and quality that they are yet to reach.
 
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Icesk8r said:
It seems the technical panel for ladies FP were too busy looking for under rotated jumps to notice that Kailani performed a 3S (not 2S as recorded in the results) as the third jump of her 3 jump combo.

Big mistake for the technical panel especially when the technical controller is the chair of the ISU technical committee!
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What is going on???
How can the ISU change a protocol in an ISU Challenger event after the victory ceremony that is not a mathematical error? The protocol now has 3S< For Kailani Craine's 3 jump combo. If they called the "double" clean and missed the third rotation how can the jump now be under rotated? Shouldn't there be some official explanation from ISU for changing the result? Calling the jump clean 3S most likely would have changed overall placings??

Interesting note, the final placing and detailed results have been removed.
 
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