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@Ic3Rabbit? I hate to bother you, but I wasn't sure if you were going to keep checking this thread...
First skates advice?
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By chance, do you mean the Aspire XP blade (from Jackson Ultima)? If it really is the Aspirational, do you know from which manufacturer (it could possibly be a house brand)?
I think this Aspirational is by Risport so it is like a dedicated model just for electras that they say its a better MK Flight. Its confusing. Probably only coaches know about this. It is a bestseller in Warsaw from what I see
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Just checking by Googling, there seems to be a lot of confusion between Aspire and Aspirational blades and who makes the second. Different boot companies and different skate shops variously assign the Aspirational blades' origins to Risport, Jackson, and a couple of other companies that I forget now. I suspect those advertising descriptions were written by people who were making assumptions based on the similarity of names.
I think you should talk to your coach about getting the Electras and see for yourself what blades are attached to them.
I checked the Risport website directly. In the listing under Electra, they state:
- Electra Light is available in a single blade set with the Aspirational blade.
One of the photos shows the blade that is clearly marked Aspirational and bears the Risport logo. So it is a Risport house brand. Edea has similar house brand blades (such as the Charme). I don't know for sure, but my guess is that these boot companies don't manufacture blades, but contract with blade manufacturers for house brands.
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Thank you! I saw the same thing on the Risport site, but didn't know about house brands. Sort of like some well-known doll artists in my collecting world, I guess. Newbies will write to the forum for Effner dolls and say "Is this an Effner or not?" and you have to explain that the artist made her own line, but also designed molds for other companies and the one they've bought is her sculpt but manufactured by the XYZ Toy company, and thus less expensive and in a larger edition. So I've learned something new about skate blades today.
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$15 for the blades? (Doubtful, considering the last pair of blades I bought were $925CAD which would be quite a large range in prices!) Or did they quote separate prices for the two kinds of blades and the Flights are $15 more? Or, most likely, $15 extra on the total price of the boot-and-blade set if you choose to have Flights attached instead of their basic Aspiration/Aspirational? Just curious. I don't know those blades at all, but it does sound like a good deal to get the MK blades from a long-established major manufacturer. I wouldn't want to swear they'd be better, though. See what the coach you found thinks.
My reading is that Electra boots + Aspirational blades costs $15 more than Electra boots + Flight blades.
Yeah exactly. This offer is only with electra boots so seems like a best deal for only 15$ more
Not necessarily. A well-known brand is not necessarily better than a house brand. It will depend on the specifications set by the seller and the contract manufacturer selected by the seller. [For some mass-market items, a well-known brand manufacturer can also serve as a contract manufacturer.] Rather a confusing marketing strategy in this instance, though. Typically (in general, not specifically ice skate blades) house brands cost less than well-known brands.;
The Risport website gives no details at all on the Aspirational blade. Their catalog typically provides additional information on their products. But it appears their catalog is under revision. When I click on the catalog button, I get a "Coming Soon" message.
So, follow @Diana Delafield 's advice and have your coach ask the retailer what the differences are. But for entry-level blades and only $15 price difference, don't overthink it.
So 275$ for electra with Mk Flight Combo
290$ for electra with Aspirational Combo
Yeah exactly. Will such blades be enough for just single jumps though? I am not planning more for now so should be enough I think if MK professionals are for doubles from what I know. So I understand that MK Flight/aspirational is enough for singles if the boot is good : >
That's an entirely different question, which I am not qualified to answer.
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General comment. This thread has exceeded 50 posts now. Mainly because you have been going round and round in circles. In your very first post, you asked for this specific advice:
You got some good advice, but balked at the price tag. This is understandable. We are talking about a lot of money. You then backed off, saying to the effect, "OK, I won't jump. I just want a beginner outfit to get started." But now you're back to asking, "The Aspirational or Flight are still good for single jumps, correct?"
Time to make a decision. You've received plenty of information to weigh the pluses and minuses of various options. Whatever you decide, I wish you good luck and hope it works out well.
Well I need to continue because I only got recomendation for boots, not blade. No one knows which blade I should choose. Those two types are the only ones available here and it is crucial as a beginner to start with good blade especially if 15$ price difference may have impact on my training.
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Wrong. You got advice from me in post #8 about what blades. I always give boot and blade advice in my posts and there are others here that have been around the sun here many times/years on these threads giving advice with me that will back that up. Go look at that post.
And no, I'm not being mean or rude here. Just kindly stating facts. Best of luck in your skating.
Yeah you just decided to ignore when Minz tagged you. Also you need to understand that I gave you what boots are available in my country and still gave me options that are not here which I said many times. I had a question about choosing Mk Flight and Asiprational and you could simply now tell me a reply to that specific question instead of you talking about your post #8 in which there is nothing about blades that I am talking about. Stop arguing. This thread would last much shorter if I would get an answer about blades. Is it that weird that a beginner needs to ask questions and be confused? I just want to know which blades are better for me and you didnt answer that. I am saying once again, the only options here are:
- Mk Flight
- Aspirational (only 15$ more)
This 15$ is nothing now but may be crucial to my training dont you think?
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And your questions have all been answered, if you go back and read the whole very long thread. Talk to the coach you said you found, who can see you and the skates in person. Rudeness to anyone taking the time here to reply tries their patience and tolerance for a beginner's confusion. Your new coach in your own city is in the best position to advise you. Good luck.
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Okay, I’m going to try and explain this the best I can, one last time, using the advice from @tstop4me, @Ic3Rabbit, and @Diana Delafield.
If those are the only two blades you can get, then we are saying to just pick one, whichever one you want. If you’re asking if it will make a difference, most of us are saying it probably won’t.
The difference will be so marginal that we can’t really give you an answer over the internet. If you do care about the marginal difference, you can ask the coach you mentioned. They might be able to give you an exact answer because they will have seen you and your foot in person.
Another thing: whichever boots or blades you get might not last you until you start jumping, even if they are rated for jumping.
For example, let’s say I buy the same boots/blades that Nathan Chen, the 2022 Olympic Champion wears/wore.
If I started to do quadruple jumps, those boots would be able to support me. However, it would take me years and years to learn quads. And by that time, I would have to get multiple pairs of new boots. So it doesn’t matter if the boots are safe to jump quads in if I can’t jump quads.
However, some boots aren’t safe enough to do almost anything in. This is dependent on your body and stats. So you need to find a balance.
At this point, we’ve given you all the advice we can. You need to go to a fitter, and try on the boots and then start skating.
Best of luck!
If those are the only two blades you can get, then we are saying to just pick one, whichever one you want. If you’re asking if it will make a difference, most of us are saying it probably won’t.
The difference will be so marginal that we can’t really give you an answer over the internet. If you do care about the marginal difference, you can ask the coach you mentioned. They might be able to give you an exact answer because they will have seen you and your foot in person.
Another thing: whichever boots or blades you get might not last you until you start jumping, even if they are rated for jumping.
For example, let’s say I buy the same boots/blades that Nathan Chen, the 2022 Olympic Champion wears/wore.
If I started to do quadruple jumps, those boots would be able to support me. However, it would take me years and years to learn quads. And by that time, I would have to get multiple pairs of new boots. So it doesn’t matter if the boots are safe to jump quads in if I can’t jump quads.
However, some boots aren’t safe enough to do almost anything in. This is dependent on your body and stats. So you need to find a balance.
At this point, we’ve given you all the advice we can. You need to go to a fitter, and try on the boots and then start skating.
Best of luck!
