Free Dance

[Dodhiyel]

As I understand, if there are 2 or more competitors, the top 2 placements MUST count.

If you think about it, it's fair -- otherwise, those who have more skaters in the current competition would have more chances to get those podium placements. Thus, it's fair that the placements of the top 2 in a 3-member team, or both if it's a 2-member team, must count.

Thanks for the clarification, rallycairn; much appreciated.

 

[Morgane]

I think that's the point here. The Russians finished 5th (!) in the free dance. They didn't even beat their personal best. And Belbin/Agosto also beat Virtue/Moir at GPF and Virtue/Moir are better here - is that a conspiracy too? Virtue and Moir are not from Europe as far as I know. Or is that the Next-olympics-are-in-Canada-so-we-need-a-top-team conspiracy?

Exactly right! I'm so tired of conspiracy theories being the explanation for every disappointment of ice dance fans...
Congrats to France, Canada and Russia!

 

[perlla]

If we are talking about the spots for Russia in next worlds I am very sad that their can sand only 2 coples. I very like Bobrova&Solovie and in that situsion they wan't came for Worlds. The spot are guarnate for D&S and K&N.

 

[Buzzz]

Congrats to the medalist and nice to see Canada doing so well. I remember some time ago the outlook for skating's future here was not so bright. At least in the ladies. Hopefully Russia and the US will do better in the future as well.

 

[TCTC84]

Exactly right! I'm so tired of conspiracy theories being the explanation for every disappointment of ice dance fans...
Congrats to France, Canada and Russia!

I know. No matter what happened, there will be a theory: Canada scores well, conspiracy for the olympics. If B/A woulda had that extra .26 marks, conspiracy for the worlds next year. The results as they stand: Conspiracy for Russia, even though both CD and OD the russians were better than B/A, and in the FD where B/A were tight, they scored 4 points better than the russians. Even last year, when D/S were beating B/A in CD and OD, it was Russian conspiracy, and when B/A edged them, it's american conspiracy. It's kinda entertaining actually, but some people take it too far and then it's not funny any more.

I'm so happy with the podium the way it is, and D/S are FINALLY vindicated! 10 years after their worlds debut they win their first medal... and it's gold! better than 10 bonzes I say

and V/M... at that improving pace they'll be legends in a couple of year, so proud!!

 

[dancemaster]

Ok Ben Agosto, I can tell you what you have to understand "Do not wipe ice with your ***!" As simple as that, in ice dance it is a big NO-NO.

How funny to read again Russian conspiracy theorists even though it is so clear how much this panel of judges tried to push K/N off the podium. Common putting them behind F/S???
LOL. I can wait for chuckm to show up.

well i too was under the impression only the Russian was doing the dirty work behind closed door.....but this year i had a first hand experience where i noticed both canadian and american judges working hand in hand,,

 

[nippy]

Congrats for V/M!!

 

[Judy]

I do not have much time .. I'm in and out tonight .. where did V/M finish???? if someone can just tell me very quickly.

 

[london_calling]

Virtue and Moir were 2nd.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

The Free Dance was very exciting to watch. After the CD, it was not clear if there was an obvious winner. (The Ladies, one knew what the results would be.)
Del/Sho were quite good but not perfect.
Virtue/Moir had the audience spellbound. Standing O at the end.
Kolchowsky/novitsky were very animated and lots of wows throughout.

V/M do tricks in the Dance
K/N Dance with tricks.

There's a difference.

All the teams skated well.

Joe

 

[Mafke]

In terms of politicking, I think everyone does it. Some countries are more successful at it.

I just wish D/S won the free dance, it had a kind of .... class that the other teams lacked (IMO, ymmv)

 

[dorispulaski]

For those predicting the end of B&A, recall that DelSchoes placed 4th last year--they accomplished a lot to get back to 4th after the fall.

With luck, they'll get their first championship in LA next year.

Congratulations to DelSchoes on their world championship!!

 

[bibi]

Something seemed to be special between tessa and scott tonight!

 

[cassieandcheetah]

The Free Dance was very exciting to watch. After the CD, it was not clear if there was an obvious winner. (The Ladies, one knew what the results would be.)
Del/Sho were quite good but not perfect.
Virtue/Moir had the audience spellbound. Standing O at the end.
Kolchowsky/novitsky were very animated and lots of wows throughout.

V/M do tricks in the Dance
K/N Dance with tricks.

There's a difference.

All the teams skated well.

Joe

Hi Joe, I don't want to pick on you, but I hope Delobel and Schoenfelder's win this year proved you wrong about them being inferior to Carron/Jost and Pechelat/Bourzat. That was kind of a harsh statement you made back then, and I also think Isabelle and Olivier were spellbinding tonight as well.

 

[flossiebebe]

dancemaster question

"well i too was under the impression only the Russian was doing the dirty work behind closed door.....but this year i had a first hand experience where i noticed both canadian and american judges working hand in hand,,"

Dancemaster, can u tell more. It seems unfair to just leave us with an impression of nasty goings on that you only hint at??

 

[mycelticblessing]

V/M do tricks in the Dance
K/N Dance with tricks.

There's a difference.


Joe

That just about sums it up perfectly. Both were great and very deserving medallists.

 

[ManyCairns]

Two Questions

^Well, I absolutely think all the federations do all the politicking they can.


Anyway, I have no real problem with the actual results of the Dance competition, although I am sorry for B/A. They fell, and that still carries a lot of penalty in dance, even if it's becoming much less of an issue in the other disciplines.

However, I do have two questions that are for me thought provoking. No one need actually attempt to answer them on the forum, but it might be useful to seriously consider:

1) Is it fair, as several posters have said, to describe K/N's style as one of big highlights/tricks? Someone even went so far as to say he/she thought that was the trend dance was going to move in now. If that is seen as accurate, that they are more into big highlight moves and less dance-y overall, then:

2) If they were from the US, with the exact same style and having entered the exact same competitions, would they be received the same? Or would they be seen as not really understanding the "dance" in ice dance, of trying to get by on highlight tricks rather than really understanding the nature of ice dance?


I really don't know what to think. I have no great "beef" with the results --- I like the medal winners just fine, though will admit to being B/A fans. But I do simply wonder.

Anyway, it is really wonderful to see Del/Schoe on the top of the medal stand! They are very deserving!

Congrats to all the medalists so far, and now can't wait for the men's long!

 

[mycelticblessing]

so the French and the Americans are the only 2 countries with 3 dance teams at worlds next year?

Gosh, they are.. Sadly, Russia and Canada are losing a spot.. I'm pretty sure Russia can get 3spots for Vancouver though:agree:, Unfortunately, unless Weaver and Poje improve by leaps and bounds, Canada may only have 2spots for the Olympics..

 

[nadster]

Gosh, they are.. Sadly, Russia and Canada are losing a spot.. I'm pretty sure Russia can get 3spots for Vancouver though:agree:, Unfortunately, unless Weaver and Poje improve by leaps and bounds, Canada may only have 2spots for the Olympics..

There is a very good chance that Crone/Poirier will pass both Weaver/Poje and McCurdy/Coreno as soon as next year in Canada. Crone/Poirier were 2nd behind Virtue/Moir in the FD at nationals and it was only their inexperience in senior CD's ( they competed junior internationally all season) that kept them off the podium at nationals. With Crone/Poirier on the GP next season and a full season of senior CD experience under their belts they should overcome the CD deficit.

At this point , it looks like Crone/Poirier have a better chance of a good placement at Worlds next year than Weaver/Poje.

 

[Wrlmy]

I loved B&A!! Too bad they missed the podium. As much as I loved their Chopin FD, I still miss their Amelie program last year. Even with the mistake in twizzle, it was a magical performance.
I wonder how D&S would've done here.