From Risport RF2 to RF3 Pro, Royal Pro or RF1 Elite? Or maybe RF1 Exclusive or Royal Elite/Exclusive? | Golden Skate

From Risport RF2 to RF3 Pro, Royal Pro or RF1 Elite? Or maybe RF1 Exclusive or Royal Elite/Exclusive?

NeverTooOldToSk8te

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Hi y'all! I know there are already some threads about Risport RF/Royal, but still not quite where I'm coping with so that's why I've started a new thread.

To introduce myself: I am a real fanatic petite adult skater (about 1.50m/4ft11.06inch and 52kg/113.54lb) in her 40's but still but thinking she's in her 20's on the ice 🙈 I learned skating at very young age and could skate quite well since a kid but I just learned figure skating as an adult, for about 12 years now. I guess my level is intermediate. Depending on the season, I train 3-4 times p/w (4-6 hours) and I also skate competitions. I work a lot on the axel and doubles now (not 2Lz yet and no way 2A) and I'm close to landing a 2L and 2F. Sometimes I'm finally close in landing a 1A now, but I keep having a lot of trouble with it (it is really not my jump 😖).

I've always skated on Risport boots (size 225B); they fit me like a glove. I've learned the basics on RF4, then had 2 pairs of RF3 (about 2 years both) and now I skate for about 5 years on RF2 (in combination with first 1 year on MK Professional blades and then I switched to Coronation Ace). My RF2 boots are really in need of replacement now. They were ready for replacement about 1.5 years ago, but I kept postponing it and before you know it you are 1.5 years further.. 🙈 My blades are still ok. All the Risport boots I've skated on were with a double layer sole. The more recent models all have a single layer sole, so that will be something for sure I will have to get used to.

I've done a lot of research on the internet and the most recent catalog I could find online was of 2017/2018 (https://toulova.cz/_files/200000647-bd905be798/2018_RisportCatalogue.pdf) with the RF3 Pro, Royal Pro, RF1 Exclusive, RF1 Elite, Royal Elite and Royal Exclusive which might seem potential new boots for me. The Risport website however now only shows the RF3 Pro, Royal Pro and the RF1 Elite of these potentials in their current collection. Apparently Risport has removed its Exclusive models from their collection..

So with these potentials in mind I went to the skating store for advice and fitting. Since my size wasn't on stock the RF3 Pro and RF1 Elite have been ordered for me. Not a Royal Pro, because the person who helped me (he is the figure skating specialist in our area to go to for advise and sharpen blades) indicated that he was not a fan of the Royal models, because he experienced lately that many skaters (not all) who bought a Royal model it ended up having problems with the tongue. It did not fit properly and/or it (partly) slided out of the boots during training.

The Exclusive models seemed interesting to me, because they are said to be lighter in weight. There were still some Exclusive models in the store (not in my size), but these felt not really much lighter than the Elite models, so I didn't see the added value in the Exclusives anymore. Would that be (un)fair of me? The Exclusives are no longer available in the current Risport collection, so there must be a reason for it (perhaps because it barely made a difference)?

I am now anxiously awaiting the delivery of the boots so that I can try fitting them. However, I am now starting to doubt whether the Royal Pro might be the boot for me. I understand from the technical specs (https://issuu.com/klsport/docs/catalogo_tecnico_a4_risport_ice-rol/2?ff, p2-3) that the Royal models are slightly lower at the back and can therefore give a bit more knee bend. Could that improve using edges and e.g. lower sit spins? Obviously that is obtained by more power and technique rather than a lower back of your boot, but could it help? Of course, the stiffness of the boots for jumps and the lock around the heel must remain. Suppose I am someone who doesn't experience problems with the tongue of the Royal models?

As I understood the RF1 Excl. or the Royal Elite/Excl. could probably still be ordered for me, because my size is not very common in these models and therefore Risport still might have these in stock even though they're not in their collection anymore. On the other hand, there must be a reason why it is no longer in their current collection? But the most important thing is of course not to be overbooted, but also not to be stuck with a pair that I have to replace after a year.

RF2 has stiffness index 65 where RF3 Pro is 60. Royal Pro is also 65 but is of different construction than the RF line. And then you are in the next models RF1 Elite/Excl. or Royal Elite/Excl. or Royal Prime with index 90. My feeling is a boot with stiffness index 70-80 would be suitable for me, but that is not existing in the current Risport collection 🙁 So that leaves RF3 Pro and Royal Pro for me? RF3 Pro is less stiff than the RF2 I have now (not much but still) where Royal Pro is of same stiffness but of different construction. And going to a boot of 90, would that be wise? :scratch2: Hope you see my 'problem' here.. I really needed some time to break in my RF3's coming from RF4. I didn't really needed break-in time switching from the old RF3 to the new RF3 boots and from RF3 to RF2.

Are there any skaters in here who have experience in switching from the RF line to Royal (or vice versa)? I really have no idea if I'd better stick to a RF boot or switching to a Royal boot can do me any good. And anyone here who can share his/her opinion/advise/expertise with me which model would suit me best? All experiences/expertise with all above Risport models, preferable with comparable skating level, are very welcome!! 🙏

(Sorry for my very long thread! 🙈 I really wanted to outline my situation as clearly as possible in order to get suitable advice and opinions from you 😊)
 
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Ic3Rabbit

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Hi y'all! I know there are already some threads about Risport RF/Royal, but still not quite where I'm coping with so that's why I've started a new thread.

To introduce myself: I am a real fanatic petite adult skater (about 1.50m/4ft11.06inch and 52kg/113.54lb) in her 40's but still but thinking she's in her 20's on the ice 🙈 I learned skating at very young age and could skate quite well since a kid but I just learned figure skating as an adult, for about 12 years now. I guess my level is intermediate. Depending on the season, I train 3-4 times p/w (4-6 hours) and I also skate competitions. I work a lot on the axel and doubles now (not 2Lz yet and no way 2A) and I'm close to landing a 2L and 2F. Sometimes I'm finally close in landing a 1A now, but I keep having a lot of trouble with it (it is really not my jump 😖).

I've always skated on Risport boots (size 225B); they fit me like a glove. I've learned the basics on RF4, then had 2 pairs of RF3 (about 2 years both) and now I skate for about 5 years on RF2 (in combination with first 1 year on MK Professional blades and then I switched to Coronation Ace). My RF2 boots are really in need of replacement now. They were ready for replacement about 1.5 years ago, but I kept postponing it and before you know it you are 1.5 years further.. 🙈 My blades are still ok. All the Risport boots I've skated on were with a double layer sole. The more recent models all have a single layer sole, so that will be something for sure I will have to get used to.

I've done a lot of research on the internet and the most recent catalog I could find online was of 2017/2018 (https://toulova.cz/_files/200000647-bd905be798/2018_RisportCatalogue.pdf) with the RF3 Pro, Royal Pro, RF1 Exclusive, RF1 Elite, Royal Elite and Royal Exclusive which might seem potential new boots for me. The Risport website however now only shows the RF3 Pro, Royal Pro and the RF1 Elite of these potentials in their current collection. Apparently Risport has removed its Exclusive models from their collection..

So with these potentials in mind I went to the skating store for advice and fitting. Since my size wasn't on stock the RF3 Pro and RF1 Elite have been ordered for me. Not a Royal Pro, because the person who helped me (he is the figure skating specialist in our area to go to for advise and sharpen blades) indicated that he was not a fan of the Royal models, because he experienced lately that many skaters (not all) who bought a Royal model it ended up having problems with the tongue. It did not fit properly and/or it (partly) slided out of the boots during training.

The Exclusive models seemed interesting to me, because they are said to be lighter in weight. There were still some Exclusive models in the store (not in my size), but these felt not really much lighter than the Elite models, so I didn't see the added value in the Exclusives anymore. Would that be (un)fair of me? The Exclusives are no longer available in the current Risport collection, so there must be a reason for it (perhaps because it barely made a difference)?

I am now anxiously awaiting the delivery of the boots so that I can try fitting them. However, I am now starting to doubt whether the Royal Pro might be the boot for me. I understand from the technical specs (https://issuu.com/klsport/docs/catalogo_tecnico_a4_risport_ice-rol/2?ff, p2-3) that the Royal models are slightly lower at the back and can therefore give a bit more knee bend. Could that improve using edges and e.g. lower sit spins? Obviously that is obtained by more power and technique rather than a lower back of your boot, but could it help? Of course, the stiffness of the boots for jumps and the lock around the heel must remain. Suppose I am someone who doesn't experience problems with the tongue of the Royal models?

As I understood the RF1 Excl. or the Royal Elite/Excl. could probably still be ordered for me, because my size is not very common in these models and therefore Risport still might have these in stock even though they're not in their collection anymore. On the other hand, there must be a reason why it is no longer in their current collection? But the most important thing is of course not to be overbooted, but also not to be stuck with a pair that I have to replace after a year.

RF2 has stiffness index 65 where RF3 Pro is 60. Royal Pro is also 65 but is of different construction than the RF line. And then you are in the next models RF1 Elite/Excl. or Royal Elite/Excl. or Royal Prime with index 90. My feeling is a boot with stiffness index 70-80 would be suitable for me, but that is not existing in the current Risport collection 🙁 So that leaves RF3 Pro and Royal Pro for me? RF3 Pro is less stiff than the RF2 I have now (not much but still) where Royal Pro is of same stiffness but of different construction. And going to a boot of 90, would that be wise? :scratch2: Hope you see my 'problem' here.. I really needed some time to break in my RF3's coming from RF4. I didn't really needed break-in time switching from the old RF3 to the new RF3 boots and from RF3 to RF2.

Are there any skaters in here who have experience in switching from the RF line to Royal (or vice versa)? I really have no idea if I'd better stick to a RF boot or switching to a Royal boot can do me any good. And anyone here who can share his/her opinion/advise/expertise with me which model would suit me best? All experiences/expertise with all above Risport models, preferable with comparable skating level, are very welcome!! 🙏

(Sorry for my very long thread! 🙈 I really wanted to outline my situation as clearly as possible in order to get suitable advice and opinions from you 😊)
I'm a Risport expert due to having skated on them for years at an elite and now pro level. You do NOT need anything higher than a Royal Pro (otherwise you are over booting). You are a lighter ladies skater and just getting into your doubles and don't have 2A yet. (You could use these boots suggested up to your triples if that is where you are headed because they are rated into triples).

The plusses to this boot on top of that would more than likely be the perfect boot for you (I can't even say for 100% because I don't see your foot and know your super specific needs), is that it is lower in the back and it will help you with knee bend for edgework and also spins etc.


If you need anything else specific or just have more questions or anything I missed just ask, my inbox is also always open for DMs! :)

Good luck! :biggrin:
 

WednesdayMarch

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I skate in Royal Pros on both ice and inlines. Lovely boots. I no longer jump (I'm 53 with a landing leg full of metalwork and nerve damage) but as an ice dancer and pro I used to go through top level boots in a year. Royal Pros are lovely. Going from Graf boots with traditional construction (Edmonton Specials), I found no issues with the thinner sole but love the lightness and soft padding. The Royal Pros are also very stiff but a little bit lower than the other models (not including Dance) and that's rather nice for a pixie like me. I would recommend them. They also have loops on the tongue to put the laces through to help anchor it in the right place if you find it slips. I don't use them on mine but they are there.
 

NeverTooOldToSk8te

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I'm a Risport expert due to having skated on them for years at an elite and now pro level. You do NOT need anything higher than a Royal Pro (otherwise you are over booting). You are a lighter ladies skater and just getting into your doubles and don't have 2A yet. (You could use these boots suggested up to your triples if that is where you are headed because they are rated into triples).

The plusses to this boot on top of that would more than likely be the perfect boot for you (I can't even say for 100% because I don't see your foot and know your super specific needs), is that it is lower in the back and it will help you with knee bend for edgework and also spins etc.


If you need anything else specific or just have more questions or anything I missed just ask, my inbox is also always open for DMs! :)

Good luck! :biggrin:
Thank you for your quick reply @Ic3Rabbit!! I actually hoped for a reply of you after I've read a lot of useful replies of you in other threads more or less like this thread 😊 And thank you for your offer to DM you. I'll definitely keep that in mind! I'm replying on this thread first though because you never know for who else this can be useful information too.

I'll call the shop tomorrow morning first to ask if the Royal Pro can be ordered too. I can't get it out of my head to at least have try fitted that model too. Even if only to not have the thought 'what if I had chosen Royal Pro' in case I prefer and choose to buy the RF3 Pro..

Foot wise a Risport boot is really the boot for me. I went to the shop really open minded to also try Edea's. I've always sweared on Risport, but I was willing to try Edea because I was thinking as a body can change in years your feet might as also, so why not try. Luckily the store had a lease pair of Chorus and offered me to mount my own blades under them so I could try them a few training sessions. Well, I only needed 1 training session as my feet (around the ball) really hurt and I felt my heels started to burn at the end of the training session. If I had skated for 1 minute longer that that training session of 75 minutes I would have blisters on my heels for sure. I had no problem with the stiffness of the boots. I have Egyptian feet, bit wider toe box and (I think) a bit narrow heels. My heels were slipping in the Edea's. I had the feeling to be a bit more flexible/on edges in Edea though, probably as result of the typical Edea boot construction at the tongue/collar in combination with the thin sole (as I'm till now used to the double layer sole of Risport). My first 2 rounds in the rink were like learning to skate again :laugh:

But because of that feeling of maybe being a bit more flexible and on edges that's why I'm very curious about the Royal Pro as I think the Royal construction is closest, if not similar, to the Edea construction? Pls correct me if I'm wrong! The only concern I have is that my heels will slip in the Royal as in Edea. I hope the Royal Pro will snug my heel as the RF models do. Do you happen to know if there is a difference in the padding around the heel between the Royal and RF's? I can't find that specifically in the technical specs.

And are you familiar with the 'tongue problems' of the Royal models?
 

NeverTooOldToSk8te

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I skate in Royal Pros on both ice and inlines. Lovely boots. I no longer jump (I'm 53 with a landing leg full of metalwork and nerve damage) but as an ice dancer and pro I used to go through top level boots in a year. Royal Pros are lovely. Going from Graf boots with traditional construction (Edmonton Specials), I found no issues with the thinner sole but love the lightness and soft padding. The Royal Pros are also very stiff but a little bit lower than the other models (not including Dance) and that's rather nice for a pixie like me. I would recommend them. They also have loops on the tongue to put the laces through to help anchor it in the right place if you find it slips. I don't use them on mine but they are there.
Thank you for sharing your experience @WednesdayMarch! I'll call the shop tomorrow morning first to ask if the Royal Pro can be ordered too to try fit. I believe more and more that the Royal Pro are the next boots for me. My only concern is that my heels will slip in the Royals (see my reply on Ic3Rabbit)
 

NeverTooOldToSk8te

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1 more question though:

Why is it that the catalog shows the "Figures" icon only at the RF3 Pro and not at the Royal Pro? I would say that you would benefit more in "figures" as you'll have more knee bend and can be more on edges with the lower back? On the other side more knee bend can also have a more positive influence on jumps and spins ("Freestyle-Pairs" icon?). Now I am a bit confused again.. :scratch2: (or it could be that I misinterpret the icons..)
 

Ic3Rabbit

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Thank you for your quick reply @Ic3Rabbit!! I actually hoped for a reply of you after I've read a lot of useful replies of you in other threads more or less like this thread 😊 And thank you for your offer to DM you. I'll definitely keep that in mind! I'm replying on this thread first though because you never know for who else this can be useful information too.

I'll call the shop tomorrow morning first to ask if the Royal Pro can be ordered too. I can't get it out of my head to at least have try fitted that model too. Even if only to not have the thought 'what if I had chosen Royal Pro' in case I prefer and choose to buy the RF3 Pro..

Foot wise a Risport boot is really the boot for me. I went to the shop really open minded to also try Edea's. I've always sweared on Risport, but I was willing to try Edea because I was thinking as a body can change in years your feet might as also, so why not try. Luckily the store had a lease pair of Chorus and offered me to mount my own blades under them so I could try them a few training sessions. Well, I only needed 1 training session as my feet (around the ball) really hurt and I felt my heels started to burn at the end of the training session. If I had skated for 1 minute longer that that training session of 75 minutes I would have blisters on my heels for sure. I had no problem with the stiffness of the boots. I have Egyptian feet, bit wider toe box and (I think) a bit narrow heels. My heels were slipping in the Edea's. I had the feeling to be a bit more flexible/on edges in Edea though, probably as result of the typical Edea boot construction at the tongue/collar in combination with the thin sole (as I'm till now used to the double layer sole of Risport). My first 2 rounds in the rink were like learning to skate again :laugh:

But because of that feeling of maybe being a bit more flexible and on edges that's why I'm very curious about the Royal Pro as I think the Royal construction is closest, if not similar, to the Edea construction? Pls correct me if I'm wrong! The only concern I have is that my heels will slip in the Royal as in Edea. I hope the Royal Pro will snug my heel as the RF models do. Do you happen to know if there is a difference in the padding around the heel between the Royal and RF's? I can't find that specifically in the technical specs.

And are you familiar with the 'tongue problems' of the Royal models?
make sure you are going to a fitter that is reputable and knows what they are doing. They should be measuring and doing foot tracings to get the proper fit on your boots for you. You may need one width in the toebox and another in the heel area. This is not uncommon.
 

Ohamyooo

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You may need one width in the toebox and another in the heel area. This is not uncommon.
Does Risport do a split-width boot, does anyone know? My daughter absolutely loves her RF3 Pros, but could really do with a narrow heal and standard width ball/front.
 

Ic3Rabbit

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Does Risport do a split-width boot, does anyone know? My daughter absolutely loves her RF3 Pros, but could really do with a narrow heal and standard width ball/front.
Yes, that is what I was just saying in the post previous to yours.
 

Ohamyooo

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Yes, that is what I was just saying in the post previous to yours.
I've never been able to figure out how to order them that way. Having combed through their website on several occasions, I've not found any mention of split-width being an option, unless you have to custom order directly from the factory?
 

TimSparkle

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So well answered Ic3Rabbit!
I have found Royal Pros very good for my light weight kid. He first had RF3, and now has had a couple of Royal Pros. No tongue troubles and no breaking. It's a little lower as mentioned and comfy, light in weight and reasonable cost. They are stiff to tie first but you skate a good amount. Now I just think how to upgrade next as he is learning triples
 

Ic3Rabbit

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So well answered Ic3Rabbit!
I have found Royal Pros very good for my light weight kid. He first had RF3, and now has had a couple of Royal Pros. No tongue troubles and no breaking. It's a little lower as mentioned and comfy, light in weight and reasonable cost. They are stiff to tie first but you skate a good amount. Now I just think how to upgrade next as he is learning triples
I've been through trying and testing many brands, boots, blades and more and just from my own skating experience up through the ranks.

So for your son, RF1 Elite would be the next best boot as he's in triple territory now.
 

NeverTooOldToSk8te

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So well answered Ic3Rabbit!
I have found Royal Pros very good for my light weight kid. He first had RF3, and now has had a couple of Royal Pros. No tongue troubles and no breaking. It's a little lower as mentioned and comfy, light in weight and reasonable cost. They are stiff to tie first but you skate a good amount. Now I just think how to upgrade next as he is learning triples
Thank you for sharing your (son's) experience @TimSparkle , much appreciated!
 
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