That is great ! I hope you'll have an awesome time there !
Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron
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That is great ! I hope you'll have an awesome time there !
If you like photos from the banquets full of happy and relaxed faces here they are.
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http://navka-ice-queen.forumisrael.net/t922p560-topicI am also thinking of going to Moscow this year. If I don't manage, it's still fine. Next year's Europeans will be in my home town. And I will not miss it. It is just needed to wait till 2019.
This year i had maybe the most important exam of my life so far and in between studying i was watching their performances over and over again .i like to think that they kept me motivated )). I just want them to have a great season and the career of their dreams
)). I just want them to have a great season and the career of their dreams
Hi VikiLeeks, you're from Belarus, Minsk as I understand, right?
Not so far from Moscow! You must come!Oh, do go! It is one of the moments you will never forget. Plus, if you make it this year, perhaps you will see the beautiful Moonlight Sonata, which may become the Olympic gold program.
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Boom clap ! https://instagram.com/p/Bck2ecSFnLo/
Guillaume is out, let’s cheer for Adam and Gabby !!!
Guillaume is out, let’s cheer for Adam and Gabby !!!
As a follow up the CBC interview after the GPF SD, here is the link to the CBC interview after the GPF FD with another nice interview of Gabriella and Guillaume, almost at the beginning of the video. Guillaume is the one to talk once again and his comments make a lot of sense. The last 10% are always the most difficult ones! Then you have some comments about P/C and V/M strengths (no doubt! the commentators are Canadians ) followed by a short interview of Tessa and Scott.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2GXO36DOiY
) followed by a short interview of Tessa and Scott.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2GXO36DOiY
As a follow up the CBC interview after the GPF SD, here is the link to the CBC interview after the GPF FD with another nice interview of Gabriella and Guillaume, almost at the beginning of the video. Guillaume is the one to talk once again and his comments make a lot of sense. The last 10% are always the most difficult ones! Then you have some comments about P/C and V/M strengths (no doubt! the commentators are Canadians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2GXO36DOiY
I wished they hadn't used that farty snare sound for the backing track...... The Canadian comments at this tournament were much more even-handed.......
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Yes you are right, but still, I am surprised by the complete reversal of the comments since the return of Tessa and Scott. In 2016, it was obvious that GabGui were miles ahead of everyone else, even if technically not as stable as they are now. Then come back TesScott, and all of a sudden the fact that GabGui bring another dimension to Ice Dance, have something that nobody else has, is not important anymore but becomes even a thing to hold against them: it is boring!Well at least while commenting CoC, the brit commentator acknowledged with which ease they passed from Ed Sheeran to Beethoven, so that's a step towards recognising they're not just a one trick poney. Then we got Charlie White who said it was actually courageous of them to stick to their vision and not succumb to the pressure of changing it up every year in the FD while producing work of Art sufficiently different to the year before to stay fascinating. Because that is another attack: they are lazy, coasting it out or choosing the easy way with their FD, take your pick between those lovely arguments. But Charlie labelled that as courageous: thank you Charlie :agree: Then we have Ben Agosto who keep gushing about their edges to the point of making a rather suggestive noise while 2nd commenting their CoC performance. Finally, Mark Hanretty who actually thinks P/C have the best SS and labelled them as sublime while commenting in CoC or might have been IDF (oh no I need to rewatch) Plus Tarasova has always been a huge supporter of P/C and thanks Iris81 (thanks a lot and feel free to translate any time :agree
I am a bit shocked with B-Eur's silence during the world record scores, with their clear unease that TesScott are NOT winning it all this season. While it is obvious that no matter how good skaters TesScott are, THEY did not bring this quality of movement, this artistry, this higher quality to ice dance. Has it all of a sudden no value anymore, simply because TesScott are here? Will it be of great value again once TesScott retire?
With all the due respect and acknowledgement of the level of skaters that TesScott are, is there really any comparison apart from the technical level with GabGui? Look at their FDs. The one is about an anecdotal melodramatic story of a couple that cannot be together. The story works in the movie that lasts two hours, but is a bit small when translated into a 4 minute skating program. It is technically superb, with great acrobatics and difficult skating, and would be absolutely the top this year, if it weren't for GabGui. They come with a timeless piece of music onto which they paint a picture of the Woman and the Man, both archetypal and undefined, without a clear story, trying to give an expression in movement of the music's atmosphere and energy. Every movement is graceful, everything is large, it is like the clouds opening to let the full sunlight in and show the vastness of the sky. The superb beauty of what is brought to the ice here is undeniable. It is timeless, spaceless, wide and large, expanded to encompass all and reach every single person at the core of their being.
Now as long as the technical levels are equal, is it not simply a matter of self-evidence that such a 'propos' (no idea how to correctly translate that very good French word) will surpass the, in comparison, 'small' propos of the Canadian FD?
I know I am preaching to the choir here, but my point is that all these commentators saw it all super clearly for two years in a row, and then all of a sudden are lost in the woods due to the come back of TesScott...
They suddenly are unable to simply state the obvious in front of their audiences: "yes, that FD is the better program, for obvious reasons, and it should win".
Hello?? What's the matter with these people??
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Maybe I'm a nutter after all, but this sounds extremely realistic to me. I would add a third quad to it, they are more than young enough. As long as they can keep it interesting for themselves, they could go on and win it all.
I have good hopes that some younger couples and present juniors are catching the fire that GabGui have lit, and we may get some really interesting competitions in the years to come, but if they keep innovating and experimenting, they could reign supreme for an unheard-of long time. They are only 22/23 and already a legend. I know that Gaby wants to be an actress, but there's no age limit for actresses. I doubt that her impact as an actress will be as historical as her impact as an ice dancer.
As long as their bodies allow, what they have in hand here is nothing but epic. They are the Roger Federer of ice dance, and I would personally cry my heart out if they decided not to really go to the bottom of it and squeeze every drop out of this cup of divine talent that they have. The opportunity here is absolutely unique and extremely rare. They can set records that will not be beaten in another century. As Wesley said to Buttercup "You think this happens every day?"
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How many couples have created four programs in a row that are each iconic? Every single one of GabGui's programs since four years have been landmarks and can be arguably named their 'signature' program. It's ridiculous when you come to think of it. Mozart was iconic, Build a Home was iconic, Oddudua was iconic, and Moonlight Sonata is already iconic and it's not yet gotten them the OGM. And next year's FD will be equally iconic.It's crazy... They will participate in their 5th European Championships and will skate for a fourth consecutive title in a month at 22 and 23 years ... it's not bad
. It's also unforgettable programs ...(I think I can not say which program I prefer)
This is beyond normal standards, beyond the best we have ever known.
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Thank you, alain06fr, icetigger, and Anyasnake, for explaining this to me. That is crazy!! These kinds of judging behaviors that are unrestrained and unchecked become the grounds for corruption and politicking. Is this only true for ice dancing at the Europeans or do these also happen in the other disciplines?
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Even Kurt Browning has admitted that G&G have been able to build such a significant repertoire in such a short time.
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You've hit it right on the nail! I think it is what a built reputation brings you -- the 'experts' are reluctant to make that direct comparison and judgment with another, and it would be blasphemous to criticize your work.
This obviously can happen in the other disciplines, but it was just that particular event for me. Of course P/C made a very costly mistake (2 to 3.5 points), that is undeniable. I'm certainly not one who think anyone in unbeatable, and B/S had one of their best best SD ever no doubt. So I got why the russians where ahead, that was fine for me. I also don't think (or see) the italians, even if I really like them, have the skills of P/C or a very clean B/S. Difference in PCS too low, plus an illegal element that made them drop one place 6 hours later that the judges didn't even see ? Plus the Tech controller was Italian so that was not helping tbh.
In the FD, B/S skated very well to (Euros were their best competition by far), and got (suddenly) lower levels than usual and lost by 0.08 points. I really felt the Italians were held up, even with a mistake on twizzles (I get they didn't lose a level but -0.06 GOE is practically 0 GOE. It should have been in the negatives more). P/C were well cleared above the rest for sure.
(Okay I'm stopping for the rant. Also at Worlds, B/S didn't skate very well and C/L should have been above. It's like Euros were calling to get its revenge. Oh, figure skating...)
Okay, I thought I was the only one on this. Even last year, when they were losing to Tessa&Scott, those comments were still in. But now that it's the Olympic season, it's rivalry and nothing else. NO. Both teams can win, we know that ! Keep talking about the programs, the story, everything. They could be talking about each FD inspiration, the story of the movie Moulin Rouge, Bethoveen's beautiful piece of music, etc. Everyone get lost in the rivalry. But it's still a judged sport and the casual viewer has to understand.
There is definitely an unease, because suddenly the French wins. That is not the greatest surprise to be honest, however for some it's still based on reputation.
Some people will tell you that skating is losing it's artistic side with single skaters (because of quads). But when it comes to Ice Dance, suddenly only the technical matters now (really ?). Of course not. But even if it does, both teams come from very different school of skating and don't have the same SS. V/M are the North American/Russian type (sharp, strong, powerful, intricate). P/C are from the British school (run of the blade, long flow, sweeping edges, seamless - Torvill/Dean style). 1st dominates last quad, the 2nd this quad. Not one is better than the other, both have something the other don't.
The fact that Kurt Browing (despite trying to make it up for it 3 seconds after) is one the commentators that is really complimenting them on mastering their "style" and their skating, tells you that there is still that hierarchy in Ice Dance I guess. Well both teams have defeated that idea, both in their 2nd senior season (V/M were 2nd at worlds and won the FD - P/C won worlds).
I'm not saying commentators should say P/C are the best ever, this is art, no one should come close, or whatever. It doesn't interest me (no one is unbeatable - ever). I like when they acknowledge the teams for sure, but you can feel we're 2 months away from Olympics. The idea the Canadians were unbeatable shifted at Worlds last year, no one is going to run away with mistakes.
Also, a couple of commentators like Carol Lane, Ben Agosto, may have suggested that MR had to be a strong "choice". Ben doesn't know if it's their best program, Lane thought it can be too intense. And Kurt Browning thinks they have the SD but the French have the FD. That's okay, it's not crime to think that.
I think no one thought P/C could win the Latin SD, because some think they can't keep up technically and they can't dance Latin ballroom.
Just because you don't show how difficult it is doesn't mean it's not (it's the opposite). Everything is build to be level 4.Are some people afraid to be eaten alive by the weirdo on twitter too?
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