Well, that's another discussion! But at the same time, You have to look at the support that G and G have had this year; and how they have spoken of how much the French Fed has supported them. Didier is also a complex fellow; and any ideas for what should now happen would have to discussed with G and G: if they are artists, they will enforce a particularity about what kind of projects they would want to be involved in anyway, and an appropriate discussion with them would end with appropriate, agreed goals, and commercial goals which actually support and re-inforce what they are all about. It has to come from them......
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Well, that's another discussion! But at the same time, You have to look at the support that G and G have had this year; and how they have spoken of how much the French Fed has supported them. Didier is also a complex fellow; and any ideas for what should now happen would have to discussed with G and G: if they are artists, they will enforce a particularity about what kind of projects they would want to be involved in anyway, and an appropriate discussion with them would end with appropriate, agreed goals, and commercial goals which actually support and re-inforce what they are all about. It has to come from them......
I think what we all agree on is : 1) Branding them against their will isn't acceptable of course, but sponsorships and everything is perfectly fine as long as it's wanted.
2)The way it would be done. If they are portrayed as "divas" or something like that ? Please no. After these Olympics, I'm actually eager to have Milano 2018 happenning just to regroup on the skating itself and not on the unecessary, or people's personnality.
2)The way it would be done. If they are portrayed as "divas" or something like that ? Please no. After these Olympics, I'm actually eager to have Milano 2018 happenning just to regroup on the skating itself and not on the unecessary, or people's personnality.
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I think you answered the question
Branding is also a confidence issue as well. It's about seeing the importance and value of what you do and how you approach what you do and communicating that. I think that is also what Didier and Candeloro are talking about.
I too am looking forward to Worlds. The run-up to this olympics (and we are talking about more than just the ice dance) was horrible. Worlds feels like the respite after the storm.
I think you answered the question
Well, no. That's not actually a comment on Didier and Candeloro. It's a comment on the fact that to be an artist, what you do and what you agree to and what you create HAS to come from you. Otherwise, you are not an artist.
At the same time if they do go to Japan and do one an advert for megabucks it really wouldn't bother me. Skating is expensive.
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I had forgotten this morning that I also wanted to point out the idiocy of counting the team event medals in personal medal counts.
I have edited the long post to include it. It's one of the other things that I find silly beyond belief. Only three countries can at present medal in the team event. Well, barring disasters. With disasters you may say that Italy, Japan and China could eventually also grab a team medal. Still a ridiculously small number of countries.
So when we hear that Tessa and Scott are the 'most medalled figure skaters ever', reality is twisted into a knot. That's comparing a fish and a cow on how much milk they give...
I have edited the long post to include it. It's one of the other things that I find silly beyond belief. Only three countries can at present medal in the team event. Well, barring disasters. With disasters you may say that Italy, Japan and China could eventually also grab a team medal. Still a ridiculously small number of countries.
So when we hear that Tessa and Scott are the 'most medalled figure skaters ever', reality is twisted into a knot. That's comparing a fish and a cow on how much milk they give...
I had forgotten this morning that I also wanted to point out the idiocy of counting the team event medals in personal medal counts.
I have edited the long post to include it. It's one of the other things that I find silly beyond belief. Only three countries can at present medal in the team event. Well, barring disasters. With disasters you may say that Italy, Japan and China could eventually also grab a team medal. Still a ridiculously small number of countries.
So when we hear that Tessa and Scott are the 'most medalled figure skaters ever', reality is twisted into a knot. That's comparing a fish and a cow on how much milk they give...
Also, the team event is ridiculous.... It has no precedent in the skating season; is not an event at Worlds or Europeans; and it's conversion to an Olympic event, where sporting events usually have to some sort of precedence outside of the Olympics, is a nonsense. Plus despite being figure skating, singles, pairs and ice dance are actually very different disciplines. Will there be a team event for Skeleton, luge and 2 and 4 man bobsleigh at the next Olympics?
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Well, I think that our concern and what we talk about is exactly thàt: the fact that they might (somehow) be pushed to give up their artistry for the sake of money. And I think we all agree that it is not a likely scenario because they are artists first. And they won't accept to be pushed into something that forces them to let go of their artistry.
So all in all Icetigger, I do think we are in agreement. I don't think anyone of us is denying the reality of needed funds or the fact that adverts can be very artistic and useful.
I think the Team event is to have a bit more medallists. But in the end, you've got 3 powerhouses and almost nothing else. Italy and Japan have to work their socks off to get close. So are we going to see only US, CAN and RUS medallists for this ? Looks like it. 
(They could at least put it in at the end of the competition seriously).
(They could at least put it in at the end of the competition seriously).I am not too worried about G&G and "selling their souls to the media". Yes, that Didier can cause them troubles, but I believe they would not go against what their believe in. Working with someone who shares their views, with whom they can connect? Why not. It would be great for them: more money from a different source, more opportunities, better visibility. But I cannot imagine them starring in their own reality show, for example. That is as crazy as thinking I will become a millionare tomorrow. 
Do you think we will be able to see their dances with commentaries from bbc, british eurosport and so on? If so, how long it will take?
Do you think we will be able to see their dances with commentaries from bbc, british eurosport and so on? If so, how long it will take?
Rehearsing for DOI, more like being dorks as usual 
: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bf4icJklWK-/?taken-by=vernonvanzon
: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bf4icJklWK-/?taken-by=vernonvanzon
As many of you know I'm further removed in that I completely love Gaby and Guillaume's work and think they are cementing themselves as legends but I am not emotionally invested in the same way as most of you are. However, as someone who is 20 years removed from one of my most painful skating moments (Michelle's loss) I have a deep empathy for what you're going through. I just wanted to mention a couple things so you can at least say to yourselves at least I'm more mature than GGFan was back in the day:
1. I did not rewatch any performances from the 1998 free until about 15 years later, so I think you guys are miles ahead of me with coping.
2. I did not go through it during a social media era. Thus I could completely shut out the Tara fans and still I was gutted.
3. I had to learn to value the gold medal less. There is so much that happens in skating and the Olympics are an entity onto themselves, so I had to learn to value other things more.
4. The invention of YouTube helped me a lot. I think quality has a way of shining over the long run, so for me Michelle has her gold because her performances stand the test of time.
5. Hopefully you'll be able to put all of this behind you in 2022. That's the second part of the saga--I had to also live through 2002
6. What saddens me most is that as fans you have to deal with what ifs. Hopefully you guys can be a little creative like I have been: in my mind Berezhnaya and Sikharulidze are two time gold medalists and the judging scandal never happened
1. I did not rewatch any performances from the 1998 free until about 15 years later, so I think you guys are miles ahead of me with coping.
2. I did not go through it during a social media era. Thus I could completely shut out the Tara fans and still I was gutted.
3. I had to learn to value the gold medal less. There is so much that happens in skating and the Olympics are an entity onto themselves, so I had to learn to value other things more.
4. The invention of YouTube helped me a lot. I think quality has a way of shining over the long run, so for me Michelle has her gold because her performances stand the test of time.
5. Hopefully you'll be able to put all of this behind you in 2022. That's the second part of the saga--I had to also live through 2002
6. What saddens me most is that as fans you have to deal with what ifs. Hopefully you guys can be a little creative like I have been: in my mind Berezhnaya and Sikharulidze are two time gold medalists and the judging scandal never happened
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Rehearsing for DOI, more like being dorks as usual
And "completely randomly" running into Christopher Dean at the same time, of course! They're making a bit of a habit of that - hope they keep it up: https://twitter.com/GabriellaPks/status/970239946253656064
I've seen many people not coping with Michelle's loss in 1998, and today still. I'm not going to lie, I had a hard time rewatching the Ladies event from Sochi, and a hard time accepting the fact that Yuna lost the gold too. But an OSM doesn't take away Michelle's massive impact on the sport and certainly not her 5 World titles. Of course there is a lot of emphasis put on the Olympics, but 1998 might have been one of the most heartbreaking overall.
The same way an OSM will never take away PapaCiz's 4 Euro titles and 2 (hopefully 3 in 3 weeks) World titles... earned in less than 4 years ! Overall, the what ifs and the situations are hard to deal with I guess. Thankfully they'll be there in 2022 and in Beijing :thumbsup: (couldn't ask for a better place, China has been kind to them).
I think the fact that it's a once every four year competition has people going crazy. In singles anybody can win, just like a GP. In Dance you hope nothing too crazy happens but it does. But I think we'll put that behind us pretty quickly, but now is a good time to let it aaaaall out
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I had forgotten this morning that I also wanted to point out the idiocy of counting the team event medals in personal medal counts.
I have edited the long post to include it. It's one of the other things that I find silly beyond belief. Only three countries can at present medal in the team event. Well, barring disasters. With disasters you may say that Italy, Japan and China could eventually also grab a team medal. Still a ridiculously small number of countries.
So when we hear that Tessa and Scott are the 'most medalled figure skaters ever', reality is twisted into a knot. That's comparing a fish and a cow on how much milk they give...
Thank you. This has bothered me since Sochi. People like Yuna and Javi (twice!) couldn't even enter this competition but is there any doubt they'd place near the top of their fields if they did? Now that the Team Event has become a thing, the metric suddenly seems to be "has x/y won 3+ medals? No? Well they're out of the discussion then!" and that doesn't sit right with me. I have no problem with the Team Event btw, just this new ~~requirement of many medals and the lack of distinction made between Team and Individual. Team is basically what country is best on average across the disciplines, which means only two (maaaaaybe 3) countries can really win gold. (What if it was more like relay, people of the same discipline from the same country competed together? Though then the results would be equally predictable
)Anyway, back to Gaby and Guillaume, I actually considered going to Italy for World's, the idea of seeing this FD live is so tempting, but I start a new job tomorrow so doubt I could swing the days off so soon
Detail #2,420,404 that I missed in Build a Home: I usually think of Gaby and Guillaume as a team who are completely immersed in the performance and who would perform exactly the same way without an audience there. They're completely committed to the art.
However, I'd never noticed how much time and gratitude they showed the Boston audience after. It's not as if they were some aloof artists--they were very much moved and appreciative of the energy in the arena.
However, I'd never noticed how much time and gratitude they showed the Boston audience after. It's not as if they were some aloof artists--they were very much moved and appreciative of the energy in the arena.
I've seen many people not coping with Michelle's loss in 1998, and today still. I'm not going to lie, I had a hard time rewatching the Ladies event from Sochi, and a hard time accepting the fact that Yuna lost the gold too. But an OSM doesn't take away Michelle's massive impact on the sport and certainly not her 5 World titles. Of course there is a lot of emphasis put on the Olympics, but 1998 might have been one of the most heartbreaking overall.
The same way an OSM will never take away PapaCiz's 4 Euro titles and 2 (hopefully 3 in 3 weeks) World titles... earned in less than 4 years ! Overall, the what ifs and the situations are hard to deal with I guess. Thankfully they'll be there in 2022 and in Beijing :thumbsup: (couldn't ask for a better place, China has been kind to them).
I think the fact that it's a once every four year competition has people going crazy. In singles anybody can win, just like a GP. In Dance you hope nothing too crazy happens but it does. But I think we'll put that behind us pretty quickly, but now is a good time to let it aaaaall out
For us, P/C fans, it will get better when the Worlds start... I am sure of it. We just have to be patient and survive the remaining time before the last competition of the season begins. And also be prepared for a possible new, and hopefully last, wave of hatred if (although it is more like when
) P/C break another world records. Just focus on them as they do it and everything will be fine. 
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Thank you GGFan for sharing this!As many of you know I'm further removed in that I completely love Gaby and Guillaume's work and think they are cementing themselves as legends but I am not emotionally invested in the same way as most of you are. However, as someone who is 20 years removed from one of my most painful skating moments (Michelle's loss) I have a deep empathy for what you're going through. I just wanted to mention a couple things so you can at least say to yourselves at least I'm more mature than GGFan was back in the day:
1. I did not rewatch any performances from the 1998 free until about 15 years later, so I think you guys are miles ahead of me with coping.
2. I did not go through it during a social media era. Thus I could completely shut out the Tara fans and still I was gutted.
3. I had to learn to value the gold medal less. There is so much that happens in skating and the Olympics are an entity onto themselves, so I had to learn to value other things more.
4. The invention of YouTube helped me a lot. I think quality has a way of shining over the long run, so for me Michelle has her gold because her performances stand the test of time.
5. Hopefully you'll be able to put all of this behind you in 2022. That's the second part of the saga--I had to also live through 2002
6. What saddens me most is that as fans you have to deal with what ifs. Hopefully you guys can be a little creative like I have been: in my mind Berezhnaya and Sikharulidze are two time gold medalists and the judging scandal never happened
Here is the olympic gala from grenobre https://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/auvergne-rhone-alpes/tv/direct/rhone-alpes
How exactly did Buzzfeed come up with the scores of the “average” judge? When I looked at their data link, I’m not seeing the calculation. I’m only seeing the scores the “average” judge would enter. How these scores are developed is really key to the entire argument. Have I missed something?
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