If you think Macgregor belts in tune, there's not a lot I can do about that: I can't give you perfect pitch over the internet.
Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron
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If you think Macgregor belts in tune, there's not a lot I can do about that: I can't give you perfect pitch over the internet.
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I think fans are just fooling themselves comparing the two (MR vs. MS) for skating advantages, you can make it work in both directions but it will all be up to performance and levels hit on the day and choreography. Anything outside that is up to musical preferences, and there are no two identical ones, nor can we predict how judges will react to it.
The only think I will say regarding V/M skating to MR is that I think the program lacked some flow and speed and that the tango part did not have enough genre specific choreography. All this can be easily fixed in the months to follow, but the music is not very conductive to that hypnotic flow that Gabi&Guillaume manage to achieve in their free skates.
The other thing is, I was unsure until recently if Gabi&Guillaume manage to obtain that flow through their skills or through choreography/transitions. While both play a role, I'm pretty sure now there's no other team capable of achieving the same result; it seems to be a mix of edge quality, sustained extensions and lack of body tension. If (and it's a very big if) judges are looking for that, then I think they do have an advantage this year with the FD.
The only think I will say regarding V/M skating to MR is that I think the program lacked some flow and speed and that the tango part did not have enough genre specific choreography. All this can be easily fixed in the months to follow, but the music is not very conductive to that hypnotic flow that Gabi&Guillaume manage to achieve in their free skates.
The other thing is, I was unsure until recently if Gabi&Guillaume manage to obtain that flow through their skills or through choreography/transitions. While both play a role, I'm pretty sure now there's no other team capable of achieving the same result; it seems to be a mix of edge quality, sustained extensions and lack of body tension. If (and it's a very big if) judges are looking for that, then I think they do have an advantage this year with the FD.
Alain, for choregraphy, we have :
The SD => Christopher Dean
and the FD => Jeffrey Cirio
Dean, did he work a little upon MS ?
And Marie France ?
Après tout ce que tu viens d'écrire gare à toi si ce n'est pas aussi bien que ce qu'on est en train de s'imaginer/espérer.
Je n'ai pas bien compris en anglais ce que tu évoques pour le 2nd mouvement
Who are A/P or D/V ?
Thank You
Hello Oat,
Regarding the 2nd (and short) movement of the Moonlight Sonata, I just wanted to say in a politically correct way that this 2nd movement is not used in the FD, which makes sense to me. On the other hand, both 1st and 3rd movements are used.
As I understood in Gadbois:
SD was choreographed by both Romain Haguenauer (MF probably contributed as well) and Christopher Dean. As SnowWhite already mentioned, Dean is a skater (and what a skater BTW!) hence he knows all the tricks of the technical elements. Furthermore, Dean is one of the rumba/samba references in the ice dance world.
BTW, I would like here to thank the person who first pushed to get Christopher Dean as SD choreographer. I am not sure he reads GS forum comments, but... what a great idea!
FD was choreographed by Marie-France. I guess Romain was involved as well. Jeffrey Cirio played a different role compared to Christopher Dean. Jeffrey's contribution imHo was to enhanced the existing choreography as he's himself an experienced ballet dancer. I know he focused in details on several aspects such as the arm movements. I know he has deeply modified some specific sequences, starting by the finish of the FD which is absolutely brilliant (when you see something like that, you fully understand the contribution of an artist like Jeffrey Cirio).
I also mentioned the head movements. I am sure you remember this little head movement in the 2015/2016 FD from both Gaby and Guillaume before the twizzle sequence. Completely unusual, especially in this way. Typically G&G.
What you are describing is quality skating, pure and simple. Of course that is what judges are looking for, because this is a skating competition! The GOE and PCS scores get at exactly the qualities you are describing, because mastery of those skills is what makes effortless skating. The fact that P/C never need to push to accelerate; they can stop with no snow; change effortlessy.... Many fans think that music choice is what gets you the win; but no, it's the skating itself, and as you say yourself, no other team can skate like they do. If all teams skate clean, P/C should win gold at every championship without a doubt.
You probably remember the never ending discussions (good sides and bad sides) about V/M and P/C preparing and rehearsing their programs in the same rink last season.
Well, the situation has completely changed.
V/M and P/C didn't prepare their olympic programs in the same rink. Actually, I never saw V/M in Gadbois. Well, there are so many rinks in Montréal hence it's no problem at all. Also, when Jeffrey Cirio spent a full week with P/C (the one before last week of August), he required to be alone with Gabriella and Guillaume and all 3 worked together in a closed session in one of the rinks of Saint-Constant (south west of Montréal).
Well, the situation has completely changed.
V/M and P/C didn't prepare their olympic programs in the same rink. Actually, I never saw V/M in Gadbois. Well, there are so many rinks in Montréal hence it's no problem at all. Also, when Jeffrey Cirio spent a full week with P/C (the one before last week of August), he required to be alone with Gabriella and Guillaume and all 3 worked together in a closed session in one of the rinks of Saint-Constant (south west of Montréal).
This is excellent news; and what is best for them completely.
Really? Is this something P/C told you, or is it just that you didn't see V/M there? I find it surprising that they were never working on the same programs in the same rink. That seems counter to everything that was described about how Gadbois works last year.
Last year, I saw V/M rehearsing their FD when P/C was in Gadbois.
This year, I didn't see V/M so I asked "someone" in the rink who obviously knew and "someone" explained to me the situation change. Sorry for being secret but I don't want to reveal who is "someone" for various reasons. BTW, other people very close to P/C confirmed this information to me the 1st week of Sept..
Thanks. It seems like Javi and Yuzu are taking the same approach: http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2017/09/26/256166594
ETA: Wonder what kind of shock V/M will be in when they finally see Moonlight Sonata!
I wonder about that too. Both teams definitely know each other's music picks, but unless they have practice sessions together, there's no way they know exactly what they're up against.
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for what its worth here's D/V's version of MS in 2014 - aged 42 and 43. Pretty spectacular. Doesnt have the Presto just the first movement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKWERXsJMF0
Of course V/M knew about MS as P/C knew about MR (sometimes I feel like we're using too many acronyms!
)Now, Gabdois is a small world and people talk when they meet, at least a bit. Still, there's a huge difference between talking about something and actually watching it. P/C probably saw some parts of V/M programs until apart training sessions were requested (same for V/M regarding P/C programs).
Now, I am certain P/C never saw the whole V/M programs prior the Autumn Classic. I would even assume they didn't watch them on youtube after the Autumn Classic! Typically G&G...
As for V/M, I would not be surprised if they discover P/C full SD and FD (with Jeffrey Cirio's FD and Dean's SD enhancements) after the Masters, once again assuming they play them on youtube.
Sometimes? That's a bit of an understatement!Of course V/M knew about MS as P/C knew about MR (sometimes I feel like we're using too many acronyms!
Your sentence above is nowhere near getting the coveted "Most Acronyms In A Sentence" award, though!
(Maybe you could go back and edit? You know, insert a couple of acronyms referencing some random 6.0 era teams? That way, you'd achieve the "for true ice dance connoisseurs only" vibe!
)Thank you again for the info
I put a few seconds to understand the meaning of MS and MR:think: ... this makes very coded messages (P/C, V/M, MS, MR).
You know if it's Guillaume who designed the costumes?
(sometimes I feel like we're using too many acronyms!
I put a few seconds to understand the meaning of MS and MR:think: ... this makes very coded messages (P/C, V/M, MS, MR)
.You know if it's Guillaume who designed the costumes?
Which reminds me: I'm really looking forward to seeing what Guillaume is wearing in SD. There are so many teams this year where the guy's wearing the most basic black costume... (I mean, some men in matte black aren't even wearing an appropriately deep V neck! It's Latin SD season, folks! Dress accordingly!)
Anyway, I have faith Guillaume has come up with something that's not over-the-top but still something a bit different.
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