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Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron

I know there is no drama. I just think you aren't aware the way you post makes some people think that. They are all lovely people there and I admire what their coaches have built. But just to correct something they live very close to the rink and their off ice facilities It's one of the things they love about training in Montreal that everything is so close. But of course they have other friends and spend a lot of time with Team Canada members in the area.

But enough of that. I just wanted to say something to clarify what you post. I wish nothing but the best for all that camp. Of course we know someone will finish the season happier than the other for achieving their ultimate goal but I hope for the healthy atmosphere and conditions to continue and all to skate their best in South Korea and all walk away knowing they gave it their all.
 
I know there is no drama. I just think you aren't aware the way you post makes some people think that.
Honestly, if I had to care how some people may interpret what I write, I would probably have big headaches! :laugh: So basically, I don't care :biggrin:

They are all lovely people there and I admire what their coaches have built. But just to correct something they live very close to the rink and their off ice facilities It's one of the things they love about training in Montreal that everything is so close. But of course they have other friends and spend a lot of time with Team Canada members in the area.
Yeah... Gabriella and Guillaume have many Canadian friends. Montréal is a very friendly city and the fact most of the people speak French there also contributes in some ways to feel like being a bit at home. They have for sure great relationships with some Team Canada members, I am thinking of Eric Radford and Luis Febi (just look to their Instagram....). Of course, they sometimes have a drink with V/M but I don't have the feeling they have such a strong connection with them compared to other Team Canada members (Poor me, I can already imagine the drama you see in this sentence ;)).

But enough of that. I just wanted to say something to clarify what you post. I wish nothing but the best for all that camp. Of course we know someone will finish the season happier than the other for achieving their ultimate goal but I hope for the healthy atmosphere and conditions to continue and all to skate their best in South Korea and all walk away knowing they gave it their all.
Obviously, no one in this thread wishes any couple to perform badly in South Korea simply because all of them worked hard to bring up their olympic programs and we, as fans, wanna have a great and exciting competition.

On a different level, I never hided how frustrated I was regarding what happened in Helsinki but the problems at 2017 Worlds were clearly raised and then addressed as they should by the ISU (which is great). Now, I did not like what happened at Skate Canada in Regina.
 
??? Am I simple? I have no idea what you are referring to.

Fair enough!
Please find the links to the articles.
The first one tells the story and the 2nd one is about the ISU decision.


Did Skate Canada lose virtue with gift pushing star skater's brand?
http://www.globetrottingbyphilipher...anada-ice-dance-olympics-judging-tessa-virtue

ISU warns Skate Canada for potentially "damaging" appearance of gift linked to its star ice dancer, Tessa Virtue
http://www.globetrottingbyphilipher...ure-skating-ethics-canada-violation-ice-dance
 
Yeah... Gabriella and Guillaume have many Canadian friends. Montréal is a very friendly city and the fact most of the people speak French there also contributes in some ways to feel like being a bit at home. They have for sure great relationships with some Team Canada members, I am thinking of Eric Radford and Luis Febi (just look to their Instagram....). Of course, they sometimes have a drink with V/M but I don't have the feeling they have such a strong connection with them compared to other Team Canada members (Poor me, I can already imagine the drama you see in this sentence ;)).

On a different level, I never hided how frustrated I was regarding what happened in Helsinki but the problems at 2017 Worlds were clearly raised and then addressed as they should by the ISU (which is great). Now, I did not like what happened at Skate Canada in Regina.

?? I was talking about V/M living close to the rink and hanging out with Team Canada members more than rinkmates. But how funny that I try to comment on how lovely all the teams are and then you respond with sarcasm and links to Phil Hersh articles.

I think I will leave now as I would never want to associate your behaviour with such lovely people as Gabriella and Guillaume and will just focus on all the skating.
 
?? I was talking about V/M living close to the rink and hanging out with Team Canada members more than rinkmates. But how funny that I try to comment on how lovely all the teams are and then you respond with sarcasm and links to Phil Hersh articles.

I think I will leave now as I would never want to associate your behaviour with such lovely people as Gabriella and Guillaume and will just focus on all the skating.

The point is that you were accusing Alain of something unfairly; and policing his comments based not what on he was saying but rather upon "interpretation". Alain brought in what he did to show that if he does have a problem with anything he addresses it directly- as with the issues at Helsinki (as a historical case; as an issue with the ISU judging); or if he were to do it contemporarily- with what happened in Regina; as an issue with Skate Canada. Alain's behaviour here is nothing but decent; and any accusation otherwise is false.
 
In my opinion, ice dancing is a very ambiguous "sport".
The notions of "performance / score / technicality" specific to sport, and "art / grace / emotion" specific to dance, form a complex alloy. Taking into account, according to a "sportive" and more or less Cartesian grid, the artistic components in the PCS part of the notation, is itself quite disturbing. This is ultimately a way to draw the artistic side to the sport side ... but after all, we are in a sport that is the subject of competitions ...
I feel like I'm going around in circles ...
I am absolutely not able to gauge the sports and technical performances of this or that couple. On the other hand, to read the forums and opinions everywhere, it seems to me that our two couples leaders present one and the other, on this part, capacities and very close performances.
And yet ... Watch a close-up of dance couples' faces just before the start of their program. This simple image is impressive. I only see faces of composition (smiling, serious, concentrated, dramatic ...) and I see two faces, naked in their simplicity, their naturalness, and consequently their expressiveness and their force of emotion. The competition did not start until the match of emotion is over!
I often read in couples' faces the worry about the performance to be performed, I read most of the time on the faces of Gabriella and Guillaume, worry and the story in which they will train us.
As Charlie White says "they are themselves". It's touching, it's moving; the spectators are carried away, they rise spontaneously, simply, carried away unconsciously by this grace and this spontaneity. One day, Gabriella and Guillaume will dance for 4 minutes, without any applause, their program just supported by dizzying silences and spontaneous exclamations of the public, carried away in their history.
 
?? I was talking about V/M living close to the rink and hanging out with Team Canada members more than rinkmates. But how funny that I try to comment on how lovely all the teams are and then you respond with sarcasm and links to Phil Hersh articles.

I think I will leave now as I would never want to associate your behaviour with such lovely people as Gabriella and Guillaume and will just focus on all the skating.

We all love the teams and the skaters and we support all of them during the competitions because they simply deserve it. Once again, no one in this thread wishes any couple to perform badly in South Korea simply because all of them worked hard to bring up their olympic programs and we, as fans, wanna have a great and exciting competition. I think I am clear enough. You have no clue how we supported W/P in Grenoble after Andrew got injured at the SD wam-up. We are not only supporting them here, we're also supporting them during the competitions.

As for the articles, you obviously don't like them (another "drama" I guess) but this is public information which can't be censored, especially in an olympic year. I have at least enough respect for the skaters to be really upset seeing one of them being involved by her own Federation into such a mess.
 
Look at us, one week without a GP and the drama :popcorn: I think we are like ice dance addicts who need our fix, not getting it makes us over analyse everything :laugh:
I don't believe there is drama in Gadbois as Alain explained it's just a matter of people having more things in common with some rather than with others. It's quite a natural occurrence in life though. It's not because P/C, H/D, S/D and FB/S are hanging out more together than with V/M that there is any drama or that V/M are not lovely people to hang out with. It's just circumstances, mainly them joining the Gadbois club after friendships had already been formed and crazy schedule plus probably a question of affinities. FS/S gave a very interesting interview earlier this year about their work in Gadbois where they talked about how different V/M and P/C training approaches' are and how they interact with their teammates. Mainly, V/M are always willing to share their experience but stay very focused. OTOH Gaby and Guillaume, especially Guillaume, are goofing around making people laugh but not communicating as much about skating.

Here I found it and copy/pasting the extract ( a bit lengthy but interesting) :

We have been training with Gaby and Guillaume for a while – they moved here after the Worlds in Saitama, they finished 13th there, I believe… so they weren’t champions when they came [to Montreal]. They were amazing skaters, we recognized this, we saw it and we were able to say: Wow, they’re amazing! But the big difference [happened after]…

And Gaby and Guillaume haven’t really changed since they started winning. They just stayed the same, and we were always really close to them.

What changed a lot, I think, was when Tessa and Scott came – you can really tell that they have been doing it for a lifetime. They have been seniors for 10 years, they have a lot of experience, they are the most amazing athletes, really committed, you see that they’re…

Laurence: They talk to everybody, they’re taking care of people around them…

Nikolaj: …and even the small ones, not just the seniors. And so it’s just nice to see that they treat everybody so well. They raise the level in the whole school just with attitude only. Cause it’s not really about the skating, it’s about how you handle everyday training, and then for how many days consecutively are you able to train well – that’s what gives the emphasis.

Laurence: It’s always, you know… you’re training in a couple – so, of course, there’s always gonna be frustration in between the two – and they have their way of managing it, I don’t know how it works, but from the outside it really looks amazing. You just wanna look as good as them.

Nikolaj: They’re just great examples. And they wanna be an example, so they do make you a part of their daily [routine] – they see we did a nice program, they’ll come and say: Wow, I really like your programs…

Laurence: You look like you had fun… [you can sense that Laurence and Nikolaj really appreciate the encouragement coming from Tessa and Scott, their daily interaction]

Nikolaj: And Gaby and Guillaume are exactly the same, really: you see how they work, they work amazing together, there is never any friction, they always have fun with their work – but they don’t engage as much as Tessa and Scott, it’s just not their personality. They’re just different people and so – but both amazing teams.

Laurence: Gaby and Guillaume, they have a lot a fun… And when you’re on the ice with them, you get to laugh to some of the things, you get to realize that: Yes, it’s a sport, yes, it’s a lot of pressure, but it’s skating and you still need to have fun whatever you do.

Nikolaj: Yeah, that’s what’s amazing. Whereas Tessa and Scott are a little bit more serious, you see with Guillaume that… I don’t wanna make it sound bad, that they’re not serious, cause they’re serious as well, but the human approach, enjoying life…

Laurence: When sometimes becomes too harsh…

Nikolaj: It’s really nice to see, to realize: Wait a minute, I’m getting angry over a rocker! It’s only skating! Look at Guillaume right now: he’s just having fun, like, you know, it’s not a big deal!
 
Madison and Zach do come across as incredibly lovely people. Whether one wants to train with another team not and whether one views it as positive or negative obviously depends on the people, their characters and how they behave. With Madison and Zach I imagine it would be a completely positive experience.

Agree 100%. Both are indeed lovely and very nice people. The first time I talked to them in person was in Bordeaux at the French Grand-Prix 2015. Zach looked a bit shy at that time. He's not anymore I can tell you :laugh: He's now so much more confident in himself and we can see that with the great performances Madi and him delivered last season and this season too.

The last time I was in Montréal, the first day I went to Gadbois, I arrived around 10:00am and some teams were already training with their coaches. I immediately saw Romain Haguenauer working with Marie-Jade and Romain. Not far from Romain, there was a guy wearing a hat training an ice dance couple. At first I thought "Oh, never saw this coach before, he probably joined the team recently" but then, looking more closely, I was wondering "But... I know this guy :shocked:... it's Zach!". So Zach spends some of his time as coach with ice dance couples. I think this is also telling a lot about the atmosphere in Gadbois. There's a great connection and trust between them :agree:
 
There's also the fact that V/M are older than most of the other teams in Gadbois. As everyone in their late 20s knows, there's practically a lifetime of difference between a person in their early 20s compared to a person in their later 20s, no matter how mature you might be in your early 20s. There is just so much that happens in your 20s. Gadbois now is like how Canton used to be 10 years ago, when V/M were young. V/M are just in a different place in life. That's not drama, that's just life.
 
The point is that you were accusing Alain of something unfairly; and policing his comments based not what on he was saying but rather upon "interpretation". Alain brought in what he did to show that if he does have a problem with anything he addresses it directly- as with the issues at Helsinki (as a historical case; as an issue with the ISU judging); or if he were to do it contemporarily- with what happened in Regina; as an issue with Skate Canada. Alain's behaviour here is nothing but decent; and any accusation otherwise is false.

No. I was asking him to clarify because some people understand his posts to suggest different things.
 
yep, let's laugh a bit!

Another funny story from Gadbois. Was talking to Laurence about her free dance dress. Laurence worked together with Guillaume to design it. To proceed, Laurence described in details the dress she had in mind while Guillaume was in charge to draw it and provide advices and suggestions. The outcome of this team work is great and this dress is actually one of the nicest this season imHo.
I was talking to Laurence when Gabriella and Guillaume started rehearsing their short dance. Seated next to us, Nick suddenly put his head in his hands. That was quite weird and unexpected so I asked him if everything was fine. Nick simply replied "Don't worry... When I see Guillaume dancing, I think I should go back home and do anything else but figure skating". :laugh:
This is how life is going in Gadbois with lovely people who have a lot of humour and are true friends inside and outside the rink.

:eekn: Important notice for the readers, please read it carefully to avoid any misunderstanding :bang::
1. The author is not anti Danish. He actually has some Danish friends
2. The author doesn't believe at all Laurence is obsessed by her clothes
3. Don't panic! Nick has no plans to stop figure skating
4. The reply of Nick has to be understood as a joke.
Thank you for your attention :2thumbs:
 
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