Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron

[Escarbille]

let me know if it works[/URL]

Thanks Cocotaffy, but sorry...
"This video includes content from fujitv_official, which blocked it for copyright reasons." :sad4:
For now, I only found the site fsnews.ru (thanks VikiLeeks for the translation) who still has the videos (see post # 4765)

 

[elysium]

Now the olympics season is over, I am really excited to see what they will bring next year. Hope they will explore some new styles.

 

[cocotaffy]

Thanks Cocotaffy, but sorry...
"This video includes content from fujitv_official, which blocked it for copyright reasons." :sad4:
For now, I only found the site fsnews.ru (thanks VikiLeeks for the translation) who still has the videos (see post # 4765)

Yes unfortunately I've just received a notification from YT. No way to cheat those people :dev2: How are we supposed to make FS more popular if people can't access anything.

 

[Whiteboredom]

Yes unfortunately I've just received a notification from YT. No way to cheat those people :dev2: How are we supposed to make FS more popular if people can't access anything.

I was asking myself the exact same thing...Why was it still possible to download all World performances from last year (with different commentaries/from different channels), and now absolutely impossible to find any of them ? What has changed ?
It's ridiculous...All skating fans can't afford to travel to see the performances or watch those performances on TV at any time of the day (I mean, some of us have work to do so...). I'm so frustrated

 

[charlotte14]

I am glad they saved WC ending... Ice dance and pairs really saved this WC.

 

[synian]

I think the best way to upload is google drive then give the link but I don't know how secure this would be for the uploader...

 

[synian]

Accordind to this video of Gabriella & Guillaume at the exhibition yesterday (probably geoblocked) because french tv, we can learn that it is Philippe Candelero with his wife who are in charge of organise and manage the french olumpic tour in France. Gabriella and Guillaume will have the sd exhibition to ed sheeran and another one witch will be choreographed by Candelero and/or his wife. I have the feeling that the exhibition "pray you catch me" is not in the theme chosen by P.Candelero (or appreciated by him...)
Do you get the same feeling ?

https://sport.francetvinfo.fr/patin...gabriella-papadakis-et-guillaume-cizeron-lors
and I appologize to expose anybody to their commentary always without any relative information to it during the performances ....

 

[Bcash]

I was asking myself the exact same thing...Why was it still possible to download all World performances from last year (with different commentaries/from different channels), and now absolutely impossible to find any of them ? What has changed ?
It's ridiculous...All skating fans can't afford to travel to see the performances or watch those performances on TV at any time of the day (I mean, some of us have work to do so...). I'm so frustrated

I forunately downloaded them in time, but I'm frustrated because I can't just send a link to a friend if I want to introduce them to the beauty of Ice Dance. Don't know why there's no Olympic Channel vids this time.

 

[peepsquick]

Ok for the first time I tried to upload a video on YT so bare with me. I had downloaded the Brit Euro version before it disappeared. Now I uploaded but as unlisted in the hope it won't come up under the Fuji TV radar. Here is the link let me know if it works and let's see if it lasts !!!!
I'm doing it for the FD as well but I would advise you to download it for yourself in case it gets shut down you can use that site, it's really easy just copy/paste the link and it gets downloaded on your drive.
ETA: FD link

Thank you, Cocotaffy, for trying to help! Unfortunately both videos have already been removed!
I really think that these business practices are hurting figure skating in a big way! It really spoils it for me not being able to go go back to performances (esp. G/G's :luv17 and not being able to compare the different commentaries from different countries/networks! It will be an awfully long off-season for many of us!

 

[Escarbille]

The notation in dance on ice evolves regularly, which, as modestly says Guillaume, relativizes the concept of world record.
But in my opinion, if the maximum theoretical score evolves, it still corresponds to the notion of "perfection". It may well be that a total score of 190 today is not closer to perfection than a score of 187 2 or 3 years ago ...
Would it be wrong to reason in this terms of percentage, in relation to a perfect theoretical notation?
Currently, for a "perfect" score of 210 (exactly ? 85.4 SD and 124.6 FD ?) G & G would have a rating of 98.67% !
Is this reasoning realistic in your opinion, or are there influential factors that I do not take into account?
If someone is able to share here the evolution over the years of the theoretical maximum scores, I could thus "poke" a little in the results of the ISU to see what it could give ...
As a reminder, and this is impressive, here is the progression of the G&G average score for each senior season (CS and GP ISU, Euro, World, OG):
2013-2014: 135.15
2014-2015: 167.27
2015-2016: 188.59
2016-2017: 191.74
2017-2018: 201.21

 

[Anyasnake]

The notation in dance on ice evolves regularly, which, as modestly says Guillaume, relativizes the concept of world record.
But in my opinion, if the maximum theoretical score evolves, it still corresponds to the notion of "perfection". It may well be that a total score of 190 today is not closer to perfection than a score of 187 2 or 3 years ago ...
Would it be wrong to reason in this terms of percentage, in relation to a perfect theoretical notation?
Currently, for a "perfect" score of 210 (exactly ? 85.4 SD and 124.6 FD ?) G & G would have a rating of 98.67% !
Is this reasoning realistic in your opinion, or are there influential factors that I do not take into account?
If someone is able to share here the evolution over the years of the theoretical maximum scores, I could thus "poke" a little in the results of the ISU to see what it could give ...
As a reminder, and this is impressive, here is the progression of the G&G average score for each senior season (CS and GP ISU, Euro, World, OG):
2013-2014: 135.15
2014-2015: 167.27
2015-2016: 188.59
2016-2017: 191.74
2017-2018: 201.21

What's more impressive, is that Finlandia Trophy with that fall and the FD scoring a 110 only kept that avera score down. Because other than that, every single one of their scores in above 200 this year :shocked:

So like they said, this is not "perfection" per say but evolves towards it, it's just that scoring is relative, and it has reached its ceilling with Gaby & Guillaume in Ice Dance. However, I'll go with quite the numbers of 10.00 for sure in PCS. (Everytime you hear a commentator : "How much better can it get ?").

In TES you have a range of 7 GOEs, for 30+ teams. You can easily use a range of 15 GOEs for some competitions. Someone's +3 is not the other teams +3, but they still have the same score. Guillaume said about the new rules that it was great and a challenge because : "The actual display of elements has reached its potential I think", and I have to agree. How long before seeing 124.70 in the FD or 85.3 in the SD ? and a total of 210 ? Because it was too close. At some point they are going to get perfect score, and then you might find another team catching up because they cannot go higher, while the rest can. That's why the scoring change is needed. They have a 2.90 point margin before the perfect 210, but still have a huge progression margin in their skating (as they said themselves).

This is the progression of highest scores :

Total : http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/phsdto.htm
SD : http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/phsdsd.htm
FD : http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/phsdfd.htm

Personnal Best scores :

Total : http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/pbsdto.htm
SD : http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/pbsdsd.htm
FD : http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/pbsdfd.htm

 

[AliAle]

During the press conference for the podium winners, the latter (particularly Madi and Gaby) mentioned that the requirements for next year were introduced in a technical meeting. The video of the meeting is published online (see link below). Although I have no background on skating, I found the discussion on next year's required rhythm dance (tango) to be interesting (starts at 33:08 of the video). Apparently, it is not called 'rhythm dance', and not 'short dance'. The requirements were discussed using demonstration videos (some from Dancing with the Stars, LOL). I thought the video would be most useful for those in the forum with a more sophisticated and in-depth understanding of ice dance (attention: Anyasnake and others, ). But at least now I understand the distinctions between midline, diagonal, and circular step sequences. Here is the link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7tYDftWFGg

From what I'm able to tell, this Entertainment value is not an extra PCS category but rather a -1,0,+1 that get's added to the final score, based on fulfilling or not fulfilling the entertainment criteria. Sounds like a way for judges to say you're program sucks or doesn't if you're asking me .

 

[Gotlev]

The theme for the 2019/2020 "rhythm dance" will be Broadway musicals as far as I understood. Hello Roxane and all that stuff. Frankly, I do not want to watch 30+ Broadway shows in competition.

I already pray that Gaby and Guillaume are searching high and low for the least known, least sung (most instrumental) and still interesting musical ever. There must be sómething nobody ever heard of...

The idea of having 'Broadway/Musical' as a RHYTHM dance category is flabbergasting to me. What on earth is the TEMPO of a broadway musical? 'Ordinary'???

 

[Anyasnake]

I already pray that Gaby and Guillaume are searching high and low for the least known, least sung (most instrumental) and still interesting musical ever. There must be sómething nobody ever heard of...

The idea of having 'Broadway/Musical' as a RHYTHM dance category is flabbergasting to me. What on earth is the TEMPO of a broadway musical? 'Ordinary'???

Oh. I did not even think about that. Rhythm... But basically it's whatever music you want, combine with either Quickstep, Blues, March, Polka, or Foxtrot.

I've seen multiple suggestions on FSU of many musical that seems interesting, thanks to the posters, because when you tell me broadway, I think "cheesy" but this is because I don't have this culture.
It means one thing : The ISU wants to diversify the SD (the same way they did before for the OD by saying : Do a folk Dance), which means that if we have multiple Chicago, Moulin Rouge, Carmen, Phantom Of the Opera and Ghost... it's a failure.
Somebody tells them to "Belle" from Notre-Dame the Paris maybe ? (NDDP is very used, but not "Belle") But I'm going to fast, let's see what they have for next season.

Oh and the worst : NO compulsory. This is nuts, how are you supposed to compare skaters ? Next season the compulsory takes almost ONE minute of the whole SD, it's a real test of Skating skills, no more, no less. However, the following season, it's nothing. Okay I guess.

 

[VikiLeeks]

I already pray that Gaby and Guillaume are searching high and low for the least known, least sung (most instrumental) and still interesting musical ever. There must be sómething nobody ever heard of...

The idea of having 'Broadway/Musical' as a RHYTHM dance category is flabbergasting to me. What on earth is the TEMPO of a broadway musical? 'Ordinary'???

The ISU says that from now on dancers will have to be more creative. A good idea and poor fulfillment I think. The rhythms will be quickstep, blues, march, polka and foxtrot if I'm not mistaken. So if P/C dig deep and think wide they will definitely find something. But now it's too early for musicals. A tango season is ahead of us. Just like Mr. Rettstatt said, "Can you close your eyes, listen to the music and feel tango?" So is this what judges are going to do in competition - close their eyes and listen to the music?

 

[VikiLeeks]

Somebody tells them to "Belle" from Notre-Dame the Paris maybe ? (NDDP is very used, but not "Belle")

Les Misérables maybe? A March step sequence will look natural in it.
And I agree with you. I will miss a compulsory part. Skaters in other disciplines are doing short programs with a restricted variety of elements for the sake of comparing their skills. But I have no idea how they are going to compare dancers in this variety show.

 

[Anyasnake]

Les Misérables maybe? A March step sequence will look natural in it.
And I agree with you. I will miss a compulsory part. Skaters in other disciplines are doing short programs with a restricted variety of elements for the sake of comparing their skills. But I have no idea how they are going to compare dancers in this variety show.

Les Mis is overused as well... into the list.
I say that, but in Ice Dance all of them aren't really used, it's mostly in Singles, but everyone pretty much follows it so...

 

[Maybeyesmaybeno]

The idea of having 'Broadway/Musical' as a RHYTHM dance category is flabbergasting to me. What on earth is the TEMPO of a broadway musical? 'Ordinary'???

The pattern will be on the very new tea time foxtrot, created by Silvia Novak. So there will be a tempo and patterns to compare.
I don’t think musicals like “ notre dame de Paris” will feat the concept. They should look for Fred Astaire musicals or this type of atmosphere, if I understood properly ...

 

[Gotlev]

The whole "Be Creative!!!" encouragement sounds a bit weird. Yes, sure, it's good to be creative. But so far, "Be Technically Perfect" was the thing you got points for. Poor Piper and Paul got a wet blanket for being creative.

"Be Creative" sounds good and hopefully it will push people to search for things.
But it is something that you have or not, mainly. It has some feel of telling people "Now Be 6 Foot Tall!!!" Erp. Hello?

 

[VikiLeeks]

The pattern will be on the very new tea time foxtrot, created by Silvia Novak.

No, it is for juniors. Seniors will have a choice and no prescribed pattern that we are used to.