Mon anglais n'est pas assez bon pour écrire des commentaires lisibles....donc dorénavant , je seulement suivrai vos échanges (le traducteur google fonctionne très bien -clic droit sur la souris...-)C'est le cas, mais ce n'est pas aussi actif que Goldenskate, du moins la dernière fois que j'ai regardé.
@Normart ça va beaucoup mieux si vous perdez les postes en anglais. À vrai dire, c'est ce que les "guidelines du forum" exigent :
Publications en langue étrangère, commentaires, titres personnalisés, etc.
Golden Skate accueille et encourage la participation de tous les coins du monde du patinage artistique. Cependant, GS est un forum en anglais, donc si vous incluez des mots ou des phrases dans une autre langue, veuillez fournir une traduction en anglais.
(GS accueille et encourage la participation du chaque coin du monde du patinage. Cependant, GS est un forum de la langue anglaise, alors si vous mots ou phrases dans une autre langue, svp fournir une traduction anglaise)
Nous vous accueillons, mais on aimerait si tout le monde peut lire vos commentaires.
Nous aimerions que tout le monde lise vos commentaires. Pourriez-vous s'il vous plaît fournir une traduction en anglais?
Merci:remercier:
Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron
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It's just very cool that you went and translated that entire message into FrenchIt does, but it is not nearly as active as Goldenskate, at least last time I looked.
@Normart ça va beaucoup mieux si vous pourriez traduire les postes en anglais. À vrai dire, c'est ce que les "guidelines du forum" exigent:
Foreign Language posts, comments, custom titles, etc.
Golden Skate welcomes and encourages participation from every corner of the figure skating world. However, GS is an English language forum, so if you include words or phrases in another language, please provide an English translation.
(GS accueille et encourage la participation du chaque coin du monde du patinage. Cependant, GS est un forum de la langue anglaise, alors si vous utilisez mots ou phrases dans un autre langue, svp fournir une traduction anglaise)
Nous vous accueillons, mais on aimerait si tout le monde puisse lire vos commentaires.
We would love for everyone to read your comments. Could you please provide an English translation?
Merci
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Normart said:
My English is not good enough to write readable comments, therefore up until now I have only been following the comments (with commentary about Google translate)
Now we are back to me:
Je comprends, et j'aimerais vous aider car j'aime bien voir les vidéos que vous aviez trouvé, et je suis certaine que les gens ici a Fan Fest de Gaby et Guillaume soient d'accord. Si vous "tag", (moi je ne sais pas comment le dire en français), si vous serez d'accord, je pourrais fournir les traductions (de votre commentaire, pas tout un article de journal
)Mais aussi, une traduction de Google Translate convient bien, comme les autres ont dit.
I understand and I would like to help because I like seeing the videos that you have found and I am sure that the people here in the Fan Fest agree. If you agree, if you tag me, I can provide translations (of your posts, not of entire articles
). But as others have said Google Translate will do just fine.
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Google traduction aide beaucoup. Tu écris ton message en français et tu copies-colles la traduction en anglais ici. Il peut y avoir des coquilles mais on comprendra toujours le sens du message. Au fil du temps tu arriveras à écrire certaines phrases sans ça.
Tu peux essayer.
Google translate helps a lot.
You write your post in french then copy-paste the english translation here. There can be some little mistakes but we will always understand what you mean. With time you will write some sentences without it.
You can try.
The pattern is amazing from the short. Compare this new with their last one from 2016/2017 and the difference is giantic.
the free https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QWnNsMR30o
the free https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QWnNsMR30o
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They had a different dance spin in the last FD where Guillaume did that beautiful camel.
Overall I really like this program, it feels very much like MS 2.0 so I like that they are defending their vision from last Olys. Also pleased to see that they are putting the one-foot step sequence first since that was their most error-prone element the last time they competed. I'm surprised that Gabi gave the ok to the straight line lift, I really thought she'd never do something like this again after the concussion in 2015, she's really brave. They are still a little tentative on the diagonal step, and I don't like the rotational lift, but I think this is a fine base to build on this season, especially since they could compete the RD at the Olys tomorrow and (IMO) win it.
Overall I really like this program, it feels very much like MS 2.0 so I like that they are defending their vision from last Olys. Also pleased to see that they are putting the one-foot step sequence first since that was their most error-prone element the last time they competed. I'm surprised that Gabi gave the ok to the straight line lift, I really thought she'd never do something like this again after the concussion in 2015, she's really brave. They are still a little tentative on the diagonal step, and I don't like the rotational lift, but I think this is a fine base to build on this season, especially since they could compete the RD at the Olys tomorrow and (IMO) win it.
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Patinage artistique. Masters de patinage à Épinal : « On y a mis beaucoup de nous-mêmes », estime Guillaume Cizeron à propos de son programme libre
Ce samedi soir à Poissompré, les Auvergnats Gabriella Papadakis et Guillaume Cizeron se sont logiquement imposés aux Masters, après avoir dévoilé le ...
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Q: What did you think of the FD?
GP: It was a very good performance for this point in the season, a first competition. We are very happy, we were looking forward to showing it to an audience. It's a very happy moment and we're going to build on it and perfect the program over the season.
Q: Is it more exacting than previous programs?
GC: It's a combination of things. It's the start of the season. We haven't competed in 20 months. It's natural that we can't go 100% all the way through the program. It's something we'll build up on during the season but we're already very happy with this performance in October because we can do all the elements cleanly. Now the key is to keep working so we can give 100% all the way through during the Games. It's particulary difficult for this program because our elements are complex, our transitions too. There are varying degrees of energy that are hard to create, because they are so disparate: from tango to lyrical, from joy to melancholy. All these contrasts take energy. It's a challenge!
Q: The order of elements is also different...
GP: In the first half of the program, we complete the elements that are the easiest to mess up. It's mentally very tough. It'll help by the end of the season though, because we'll be more comfortable. Perhaps we'll be able to let go more towards the end. But for now, it's hard to maintain, especially since we recently moved a lot of the elements around. So it'll take us a bit to get used to it and to get the ball rolling.
Q: Does this program resemble you more?
GC: Yes. We put a lot of ourselves in it. Year by year, we've had more and more input into the artistic direction of our programs. So it looks more like us, there are a lot of options open to us. It really serves our qualities, but it also challenges us to try new things. It's a very inspiring program for us, it corresponds to our own feelings at the start of this Olympic season. We want to perform, to go beyond, to enjoy ourselves. It's a program tailored to fit those needs and those aspirations.
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Not sure about how I feel. Overall, right now, I don't feel these programs are olympic material unlike 2018.
The RD is, by far, the best program IMO. The first part is on fire. The twizzles section is fast, original and goes so well with the music. The whacking is fun to watch and translates well onto the ice. I was very surprised to enjoy it as much as I did. However, the middle part of the program is lacking. The music is not as catchy and they lose the momentum a little. I fear this is going to end up like Fame with an everlasting quest for a complete package they just never found despite multiple changes throughout the season.
As for the FD...well what can I say except that I don't really like it. They skate well, they are exquisite to watch but I just don't like it. It neither has the intensity of Oddudua, the virtuosity of MS, the quirkiness of Yamagata, the flow of Mozart or the emotion of To Build a Home. This program lacks everything I adore about them. It's "Find me" but just way worse. They go for a difficult unesthetically pleasing lift that kills the fluidity of the whole movement, it looks labored and unstable and adds nothing (except the little "wow" from those who dislike them).
A bit sad to see the more than used spin making a come back when they had a lot of time to come with something else. Once more, I loathe the dancing part. It screams Sam Chouinard sort of cheap contemporary piece that I already hated in Find me. Bring back Christopher Dean asap.
It's still enjoyable because it's P/C and they are exquisite to watch. But choreographically, it's just not good IMO. The only part I really enjoyed is the one foot step sequence where they start facing each other and then together. That is really beautiful.
I don't know if anyone felt that way but I feel like style-wise, they are getting closer to V/M (working with Chouinard and Caron is starting to show). Perhaps a strategy to secure the gold ?
The RD is, by far, the best program IMO. The first part is on fire. The twizzles section is fast, original and goes so well with the music. The whacking is fun to watch and translates well onto the ice. I was very surprised to enjoy it as much as I did. However, the middle part of the program is lacking. The music is not as catchy and they lose the momentum a little. I fear this is going to end up like Fame with an everlasting quest for a complete package they just never found despite multiple changes throughout the season.
As for the FD...well what can I say except that I don't really like it. They skate well, they are exquisite to watch but I just don't like it. It neither has the intensity of Oddudua, the virtuosity of MS, the quirkiness of Yamagata, the flow of Mozart or the emotion of To Build a Home. This program lacks everything I adore about them. It's "Find me" but just way worse. They go for a difficult unesthetically pleasing lift that kills the fluidity of the whole movement, it looks labored and unstable and adds nothing (except the little "wow" from those who dislike them).
A bit sad to see the more than used spin making a come back when they had a lot of time to come with something else. Once more, I loathe the dancing part. It screams Sam Chouinard sort of cheap contemporary piece that I already hated in Find me. Bring back Christopher Dean asap.
It's still enjoyable because it's P/C and they are exquisite to watch. But choreographically, it's just not good IMO. The only part I really enjoyed is the one foot step sequence where they start facing each other and then together. That is really beautiful.
I don't know if anyone felt that way but I feel like style-wise, they are getting closer to V/M (working with Chouinard and Caron is starting to show). Perhaps a strategy to secure the gold ?
Un article de l'Equipe du 3/10/2021, (Google translate compressé ......)
Back in the Game
Brilliant in Epinal after 20 months of absence, G and G have shown that they remain very serious contenders for Olympic gold. This weekend, facts replaced rumor. Absent for 20 months, stranded in Canada for visa problems ... Would G and G ever come back? The question fueled discusions on the rink. “On the firsts of the competitions of the season, I felt that people were (in the register) 'ah, are they skating this season?' Well yes, in 15 days there is the competition, told their trainer H, both amused and not surprised. It's a bit far from the eyes, far from the heart. We did not specifically communicate, and then G and G they don't spend their lives saying hi we exist, we are here "On social networks, the quadruple world champions mainly share photos of their animals. But in life, they have not stopped training in Montreal. Even after the announcement of their package for the World Championships last March. "Show everyone that they are attacking this Olympic season by being ready" R.H
The skeptics could see it, first hand in Epinal or on Internet: the 26-year-old French are back. Their new Libre, on Faure's "Elegie", reaped as many laurels as their rhythmic dance the day before, devoted to waacking, a dance that appeared in the 1970s in the gay community of LA. Their total of 231.10 points (137.31 pts for the free program) is higher than that of the 2019 Masters (225.66). The scores of the national competitions are often generous - which is why they are not taken into account for the world records (that of P-C, 226.61 pts. Is also lower than their total of this weekend). But beyond the balance sheet, the Olympic vice-champions have shown convincing and already successful programs, and an irreproachable state of form. "The objective was to show everyone that they were attacking this Olympic season by being ready, confirms H. By showing: we were perhaps not there for 20 months, but we still know how to stand up, more We are there, we are in good shape, we are strong, we are ready to fight. That, for me, is accomplished. " The message was obviously addressed to their competitors, in the first row of which S and K. The Russians, European champions in January 2020 in front of the French in meforme, and crowned in their absence world champions last March, pose as their main rivals for Olympic gold. Before Beijing, the paths of S-K and P-C are only expected to cross at the Grand Prix final,
in Osaka in December, and at the European Championships in Tallinn in January. But from next weekend, in Espoo, during the Finlandia Trophy, a competition of the secondary circuit, the 5th European champions will face the Americans Chock-Bates and the
Russians Stepanova-Bukin, respectively 4 ° and 5 ° of the last Worlds.
“It's a good thing to come to a competition that is not yet a Grand Prix (like the French lnternationaux on November 19 and 20) but which has more scope than the Masters, explains Papadakis. We are already going to measure ourselves against potential competitors, which is very good. We are in haste. To show, again and again, that they're back.
Back in the Game
Brilliant in Epinal after 20 months of absence, G and G have shown that they remain very serious contenders for Olympic gold. This weekend, facts replaced rumor. Absent for 20 months, stranded in Canada for visa problems ... Would G and G ever come back? The question fueled discusions on the rink. “On the firsts of the competitions of the season, I felt that people were (in the register) 'ah, are they skating this season?' Well yes, in 15 days there is the competition, told their trainer H, both amused and not surprised. It's a bit far from the eyes, far from the heart. We did not specifically communicate, and then G and G they don't spend their lives saying hi we exist, we are here "On social networks, the quadruple world champions mainly share photos of their animals. But in life, they have not stopped training in Montreal. Even after the announcement of their package for the World Championships last March. "Show everyone that they are attacking this Olympic season by being ready" R.H
The skeptics could see it, first hand in Epinal or on Internet: the 26-year-old French are back. Their new Libre, on Faure's "Elegie", reaped as many laurels as their rhythmic dance the day before, devoted to waacking, a dance that appeared in the 1970s in the gay community of LA. Their total of 231.10 points (137.31 pts for the free program) is higher than that of the 2019 Masters (225.66). The scores of the national competitions are often generous - which is why they are not taken into account for the world records (that of P-C, 226.61 pts. Is also lower than their total of this weekend). But beyond the balance sheet, the Olympic vice-champions have shown convincing and already successful programs, and an irreproachable state of form. "The objective was to show everyone that they were attacking this Olympic season by being ready, confirms H. By showing: we were perhaps not there for 20 months, but we still know how to stand up, more We are there, we are in good shape, we are strong, we are ready to fight. That, for me, is accomplished. " The message was obviously addressed to their competitors, in the first row of which S and K. The Russians, European champions in January 2020 in front of the French in meforme, and crowned in their absence world champions last March, pose as their main rivals for Olympic gold. Before Beijing, the paths of S-K and P-C are only expected to cross at the Grand Prix final,
in Osaka in December, and at the European Championships in Tallinn in January. But from next weekend, in Espoo, during the Finlandia Trophy, a competition of the secondary circuit, the 5th European champions will face the Americans Chock-Bates and the
Russians Stepanova-Bukin, respectively 4 ° and 5 ° of the last Worlds.
“It's a good thing to come to a competition that is not yet a Grand Prix (like the French lnternationaux on November 19 and 20) but which has more scope than the Masters, explains Papadakis. We are already going to measure ourselves against potential competitors, which is very good. We are in haste. To show, again and again, that they're back.
I think I can see where you're coming from. V/M started doing more obvious things when it was clear that obvious is what the judges liked. So, it looks like P/C took a safer route (and I do think they should have taken a risk, this year, as I said earlier). I wouldn't say stylistically it is similar to V/M because P/C's dance quality will always be superior and will stand out, but I think I can see where you're coming from, at least.
I think it's not perfect. Apart from me being split over the first half (the jackhammer lift, or whatever you want to call it, is out of place, just as one example), there are some other things that currently irk me, like the mood change after their third set of twizzles (I don't think I like how they cut the music there, nor how they choreographed it), or even the mood change yet again after the dance spin... It doesn't seem intuitive, like Moonlight Sonata or To Build a Home, nor complete nor fluid. Rather, more obvious emotion and expression. The intuition was the best thing about P/C's skating, and I think between this program and Find Me maybe they're just overthinking the artistry a bit, which has come at the cost of them losing what truly made them stand out artistically. It has some choreographic beauty in it, though, that's for certain.
Still, I think this is the best FD of the season (literally the only one I can remember bits and pieces of) - I thought that immediately when I saw the quality of movement they were bringing in it - and that's before the improvements that are sure to come.
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Definitely. The disappointment comes from the possible win of a OGM with that program when the masterpiece that was MS only got them the silver medal. It should be the other way around. It doesn't help that their RD, while better, isn't a stand out either in terms of choreography and music choice. It doesn't come close to the Paso, the valse or the Tango. It's a bit of a let down after such a long wait.
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I am surprised anyone thinks the new FD is anything other than authentically theirs. (But then I loved Fame and happen to also be a fan of V/M, though I think their styles are totally different) I think Elegie has a lot of promise and am excited to see it develop over the course of the season. I love that they chose a piece I’ve never heard in skating before so they can make it entirely theirs… that was one issue I had with Moonlight Sonata, too many other associations/preconceived notions.
I absolutely love the RD, it is and will be the best of the season no matter what C/B or S/B bring. It is so addictive. It is a game-changer and sets them up well for the FD competition. I think I see where they want the FD to go and it will shape up into a masterpiece. They are ensuring that they don't make the same mistakes they did last season. They were unsure of Fame, there are no doubts this time around. They've set themselves up well for the season.
Many great observations! First of all, let me say how excited I am to see them back competing again, and to be able to have some decent videos of their programs (counting on Finlandia more than the Masters) without having to wait until a GP event (their two assignments this season appear ideally spaced, but I’m still curious if they‘ll stay in Europe for an extended period or shuttle back and forth between Montreal and competitions).
Like many have expressed, their RD is the most artful and original solution this season to the awkward task of transcribing “street dance” onto ice. (And let’s be honest, many “rhythm dance” themes as prescribed in Ice Dance are awkward and outdated.) Since skating footwork is so antithetical to street dance, it makes sense to choose a sub-genre that focuses on the expression of the arms. And it perfectly showcased their superior upper body articulation in a fresh way. The opening segment wowed every non-skating person I showed it to: Great for an Olympic season RD. I thought their pattern sequence looked big and secure, but did feel that the middle section appeared a little muted in emotion and effect. The song “You and I” might have lost some of its oomph due to the less than ideal transmission system at the French Masters, so I can’t wait to watch their Finlandia competition video to get a better feel of it. But the transition back to “Made to Love“ does feel weak both musically and choreographically, at this point.
The FD. I’m so very glad that they’ve chosen to go back to classical, the genre of music most rich in interpretive layers and most sophisticated in musicality — in other words, music that best suits and distinguishes their expressive depth. And a cello piece by Fauré at that! They’ve mentioned their affinity for cello before, and Fauré was a master at evoking rich interior worlds, which I think we can all agree is what they’ve always aspired to portray with their programs. Granted, this piece is not the most subtle in Fauré’s oeuvre, but its deep emotional currents could be what they‘d want to ride on, after all that they’ve experienced since ascending to the top of Ice Dance. I agree that some elements—the straight line lift and the end of the character step sequence — can be improved or re-conceptualized, so as to let Gabi and Guillaum’s truest expressive selves shine through, which I believe will ultimately have deeper impact than any ostensibly “flashy” elements. I’m also a bit surprised hearing Gabi say that they’ve moved the elements around quite a bit in the past few weeks, which sort of corresponded to what Dave Lease said on his YouTube channel about Gabi and Guillaume not feeling as far along into their Olympic season preparation program-wise until two weeks ago. But that means they’ve still not settled on the most comfortable way to inhabit this piece of music. I think perhaps we’ll witness a more complete “vision” at GP Italy and France. Nevertheless, the distinct qualities of their movement and performance are already on full display here, even with the occasional, less than completely-thought-out moments. To quote Sandra Bezic, you are swept along when they skate, you almost stop thinking and in a flash the program has come to an end. No one else in the current field can do that to an audience.
Like many have expressed, their RD is the most artful and original solution this season to the awkward task of transcribing “street dance” onto ice. (And let’s be honest, many “rhythm dance” themes as prescribed in Ice Dance are awkward and outdated.) Since skating footwork is so antithetical to street dance, it makes sense to choose a sub-genre that focuses on the expression of the arms. And it perfectly showcased their superior upper body articulation in a fresh way. The opening segment wowed every non-skating person I showed it to: Great for an Olympic season RD. I thought their pattern sequence looked big and secure, but did feel that the middle section appeared a little muted in emotion and effect. The song “You and I” might have lost some of its oomph due to the less than ideal transmission system at the French Masters, so I can’t wait to watch their Finlandia competition video to get a better feel of it. But the transition back to “Made to Love“ does feel weak both musically and choreographically, at this point.
The FD. I’m so very glad that they’ve chosen to go back to classical, the genre of music most rich in interpretive layers and most sophisticated in musicality — in other words, music that best suits and distinguishes their expressive depth. And a cello piece by Fauré at that! They’ve mentioned their affinity for cello before, and Fauré was a master at evoking rich interior worlds, which I think we can all agree is what they’ve always aspired to portray with their programs. Granted, this piece is not the most subtle in Fauré’s oeuvre, but its deep emotional currents could be what they‘d want to ride on, after all that they’ve experienced since ascending to the top of Ice Dance. I agree that some elements—the straight line lift and the end of the character step sequence — can be improved or re-conceptualized, so as to let Gabi and Guillaum’s truest expressive selves shine through, which I believe will ultimately have deeper impact than any ostensibly “flashy” elements. I’m also a bit surprised hearing Gabi say that they’ve moved the elements around quite a bit in the past few weeks, which sort of corresponded to what Dave Lease said on his YouTube channel about Gabi and Guillaume not feeling as far along into their Olympic season preparation program-wise until two weeks ago. But that means they’ve still not settled on the most comfortable way to inhabit this piece of music. I think perhaps we’ll witness a more complete “vision” at GP Italy and France. Nevertheless, the distinct qualities of their movement and performance are already on full display here, even with the occasional, less than completely-thought-out moments. To quote Sandra Bezic, you are swept along when they skate, you almost stop thinking and in a flash the program has come to an end. No one else in the current field can do that to an audience.
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