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Injuries and Ills: 2014-15

Isn't Kozuka postponing a surgery for seasons now too? I don't remember what it is (and I have completely surpressed any kind of memory about it), but I thought he would have needed to take a surgery too and decided not to do it in the Olympic year, since it would have taken him out too long to try for the Olympic team or something?

Takahahsi also had trouble with his knee all through the last season, but again I'd have to look it up for further information. It was definitely not pretty.
 
Li'Kitsu said:
Isn't Kozuka postponing a surgery for seasons now too? I don't remember what it is (and I have completely surpressed any kind of memory about it), but I thought he would have needed to take a surgery too and decided not to do it in the Olympic year, since it would have taken him out too long to try for the Olympic team or something?

Takahahsi also had trouble with his knee all through the last season, but again I'd have to look it up for further information. It was definitely not pretty.
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I do remember the reference to Kozuka's surgery. I think he actually delayed it so he could compete this year as well.
 
Li'Kitsu said:
Isn't Kozuka postponing a surgery for seasons now too? I don't remember what it is (and I have completely surpressed any kind of memory about it), but I thought he would have needed to take a surgery too and decided not to do it in the Olympic year, since it would have taken him out too long to try for the Olympic team or something?

Takahahsi also had trouble with his knee all through the last season, but again I'd have to look it up for further information. It was definitely not pretty.
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I remember that Takahashi had to have liquid drained from his knee every day during Olympics which made me go all "Holy ****, that's crazy!", Definitely brutally nasty condition.

And Kozuka's condition would explain things. :sigh: I hope he'lk get that surgery he needs, but I wonder whether he'll decide to retire afterwards or still try yo compete against the youngsters. Who knows, a healthier Kozuka might again be a force to reckon with at the Japanese scene. The field has become a bit weaker.
 
Moria Polonius said:
I remember that Takahashi had to have liquid drained from his knee every day during Olympics which made me go all "Holy ****, that's crazy!", Definitely brutally nasty condition.

And Kozuka's condition would explain things. :sigh: I hope he'lk get that surgery he needs, but I wonder whether he'll decide to retire afterwards or still try yo compete against the youngsters. Who knows, a healthier Kozuka might again be a force to reckon with at the Japanese scene. The field has become a bit weaker.
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Yikes, yes now I remember... I think he also said it was quite painful. I couldn't imagine it any other way. At least he managed to have beautiful performances at the Olympics...

And yes Mrs.P, I also think Kozuka is still postponing the surgery for this season... I'm really afraid he'll retire after the surgery. If he would have planed to stay longer, it would have been for 2018 I'd guess, and then doing the surgery as soon as possible sounds like the smartest thing to do. And with Shoma moving up to seniors next season and the japanese men only having two spots... :no:
 
I think pre-competition physicals should be required of athletes in order to determine if they are fit for competition or not. Skating injured is never a good idea and 9 times out of 10 the athletes end up under-performing under such circumstances and a lot of the time the results/performances can be disastrous. It's especially silly because often skaters from Nations with stacked fields end up competing injured and then it just looks really stupid because the healthy alternate is usually nearly as good as the skater who was named to the team when both are healthy, so then when a team member gets hurt, it should be a no brainer to send the alternate as a replacement.

I mean, there are plenty of guys in Japan who could have skated better than an injured Mura, same goes for ladies in Russia who could have competed in place of Pogorilaya, and for US ladies in past years when Rachael Flatt competed with a broken tibia and Alissa Czisny with a torn labrum. Even Menshov could have likely fared better at Worlds than injured Vornov did.
 
silverlake22 said:
I think pre-competition physicals should be required of athletes in order to determine if they are fit for competition or not. Skating injured is never a good idea and 9 times out of 10 the athletes end up under-performing under such circumstances and a lot of the time the results/performances can be disastrous. It's especially silly because often skaters from Nations with stacked fields end up competing injured and then it just looks really stupid because the healthy alternate is usually nearly as good as the skater who was named to the team when both are healthy, so then when a team member gets hurt, it should be a no brainer to send the alternate as a replacement.

I mean, there are plenty of guys in Japan who could have skated better than an injured Mura, same goes for ladies in Russia who could have competed in place of Pogorilaya, and for US ladies in past years when Rachael Flatt competed with a broken tibia and Alissa Czisny with a torn labrum. Even Menshov could have likely fared better at Worlds than injured Vornov did.
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Didn't she find out about her injury later, though? Or am I just misremembering/confused? (could be - often happens :))
 
Moria Polonius said:
So that it doesn't look like Yuzuru is the only one skating with injuries (although probably one of the craziest), can we have round up of skaters who performed with injuries or still healing? I'm finding this infirmation very useful as I can better undrestand why some of them have performed below expectations.

Mura: sprained both ankles before Worlds.

Uno: injured instep before 4CC and Junior Nats

Sergei Voronov: knee injury

Anna Pogorilaya: torn ligaments before Worlds

Elena R: caught flu (?) during Worlds.

Javi: sprained ankle before Euros which may have affected his performances there.

These are the ones I know about (I follow Men most closely), what about others? I'm mostly curious whether Han Yan skated injury-free or not.
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Michael Christian Martinez competed at Worlds with a bruised hip and injured ankle. :(. Sadly, this thread has far too many posts.
 
silverlake22 said:
I mean, there are plenty of guys in Japan who could have skated better than an injured Mura, same goes for ladies in Russia who could have competed in place of Pogorilaya, and for US ladies in past years when Rachael Flatt competed with a broken tibia and Alissa Czisny with a torn labrum. Even Menshov could have likely fared better at Worlds than injured Vornov did.
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Sergei's knee issue is a chronic one and from what I understand it usually does not bother him to the point of interfering with his performance, however something about the acclimatization (or lack thereof) in Shanghai caused him pain. I don't think anyone could have predicted that & he skated the SP absolutely fine.
 
Li'Kitsu said:
And yes Mrs.P, I also think Kozuka is still postponing the surgery for this season... I'm really afraid he'll retire after the surgery. If he would have planed to stay longer, it would have been for 2018 I'd guess, and then doing the surgery as soon as possible sounds like the smartest thing to do. And with Shoma moving up to seniors next season and the japanese men only having two spots... :no:
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Well, if Kozuka had the surgery sometime soon, he'd probably have to sit out the next season, so he wouldn't have to worry about competing for an available spot and after Yuzuru and Shoma have hopefully restored the 3 spots, he could possibly join the competition. Who knows, he might be in better form after the surgery.

silverlake22 said:
I mean, there are plenty of guys in Japan who could have skated better than an injured Mura, .
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Here's the thing: There weren't plenty of guys to replace Mura, as far as know. Machida retired, Shoma Uno injured as well and very inexperienced, Sota Yamamoto too young to participate. Only Daisuke Murakami was an option, he did very well at 4CC but at Japanese Nationals his total score was even lower that Mura's at Worlds so it was a tossup whether he would have done better than in injured Mura.
 
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Luca Lanotte will have a surgery tomorrow for an inguinal hernia that is causing pain to him since september.
 
silverlake22 said:
I think pre-competition physicals should be required of athletes in order to determine if they are fit for competition or not. Skating injured is never a good idea and 9 times out of 10 the athletes end up under-performing under such circumstances and a lot of the time the results/performances can be disastrous. It's especially silly because often skaters from Nations with stacked fields end up competing injured and then it just looks really stupid because the healthy alternate is usually nearly as good as the skater who was named to the team when both are healthy, so then when a team member gets hurt, it should be a no brainer to send the alternate as a replacement.

I mean, there are plenty of guys in Japan who could have skated better than an injured Mura, same goes for ladies in Russia who could have competed in place of Pogorilaya, and for US ladies in past years when Rachael Flatt competed with a broken tibia and Alissa Czisny with a torn labrum. Even Menshov could have likely fared better at Worlds than injured Vornov did.
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To be realistic....most elite / professional athletes compete injured. Lindsey Vonn in Vancouver comes to mind. USFS monitors all athletes going to the elite championship events, ie Worlds and Olympics, and I am sure both Csziny and Flatt were monitored prior to their departures to their respective World championships. Flatt openly acknowledged that she dealt with severe tendinitis all season, and that included medaling at Grand Prix events and USA Nationals.
Wagner appeared to have her lower back taped last week at Worlds, and very little has been made of her poor performance in the SP. Unless you are the athlete, it is a cr*p shoot as to how they will perform under circumstances that are less than 100%. I truly believe it is the mentality of the national federations and the coaches that push (brainwash) the athletes to ignore the pain they endure during training and competition. And, compared to 40-50 years ago, when the competitive seasons were much shorter and the physical demands on the athletes' bodies were nothing like they are currently, you JUST CAN NOT compare the circumstances/judging system that skaters like Kwan or Boitano skated under vs what the current crop of skaters endure. It is the rare skater who has NOT had a major injury.
 
LRK said:
Didn't she find out about her injury later, though? Or am I just misremembering/confused? (could be - often happens :))
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Officially yes, but apparently she couldn't land her jumps in practice, so I'm sure she and her coaches must have assumed something was up.
 
Moria Polonius said:
Here's the thing: There weren't plenty of guys to replace Mura, as far as know. Machida retired, Shoma Uno injured as well and very inexperienced, Sota Yamamoto too young to participate. Only Daisuke Murakami was an option, he did very well at 4CC but at Japanese Nationals his total score was even lower that Mura's at Worlds so it was a tossup whether he would have done better than in injured Mura.
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Uno beat Mura at Nationals and 4CCs, by quite a large margin. Murakami had a meltdown at Nationals but showed he was in great form at 4CCs where he also beat Mura by quite a bit. Given Mura's injury I think Uno or Murakami would have been reasonable replacements, though doing 4CCs, Junior Worlds, and Worlds would have probably been too much.
 
Best wishes to Yuzuru... I'm not going to start panicking yet, though it has been an unfortunate trend this season and I hope he has better luck next year.
 
silverlake22 said:
Uno beat Mura at Nationals and 4CCs, by quite a large margin. Murakami had a meltdown at Nationals but showed he was in great form at 4CCs where he also beat Mura by quite a bit. Given Mura's injury I think Uno or Murakami would have been reasonable replacements, though doing 4CCs, Junior Worlds, and Worlds would have probably been too much.
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Murakami yes, Uno no so mcuh, because as I said Uno was injured as well. When it comes to Uno, they had a choice between two injured skaters, one of whom wasn't keen on participating at senior Worlds. They probably should have gone with Murakami, though, but the decision was made before Mura's accident and if Mura himself played down the injury and didn't want to withdraw, well, JSF probably didn't have much ground to stand on. It's easier in hindsight.
 
U.S. pair skater Tarah Kayne had hip surgery last summer and recaps how far she has come (back) in her successful 2014-15 season with partner Danny O'Shea in her own words here: http://figureskatersonline.com/kayne-oshea/from-the-olympic-training-center-with-love/

She had explained what led her to undergo surgery and the rehab. afterwards in this November 2014 blog: http://figureskatersonline.com/kayne-oshea/the-hips-dont-lie/

Here's hoping Kayne will continue to be healthy and strong as K/O head into their training for the new season! :)
 
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