Interview with Nina Mozer (10th May 2016) | Golden Skate

Interview with Nina Mozer (10th May 2016)

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Aside from the fact that Fedor's injury was really bad, poor guy :drama::
Q: Was Klimov's injury serious?
NM: You have no idea. He almost became crippled. Our favourite Jorje Fernandez saved us. He was able to bring back Fedor into life. His shoulder was hanging and he was unable to lift his arm above his shoulder for more than 2 months...

There are some very questionable opinions:
Q: How was the season? What worked and what didn't?
NM: Ambigious season. There are a lot of questions I ask, myself mainly. Figure skating changed a lot after the Olympics in Sochi. It changed towards more complicated elements, which are the main thing now.
We used to be taught not only professional, but human things as well - the ability to understand and weight the situation. I know there are coordination sports such as diving, gymnastics, figure skating. The asians are taking over these now. They are fast by nature. Their muscles responsible for speed are twice bigger than Europeans'. Everything related to rotation, fast coordination is very important in such sports.
As for the results, the ones who won are a Chinese Canadian, Kazakh, Chinese, Japanese. They do unique things. There are things we can't do by definition. The only European on the podium is Javier Fernandez, but he is a latino - they are slightly different as well. Of course we have our traditions, but what is the usual for the white people is on a different level. Guess what we are good at is not competitive anymore.

Q: Then why do our girls winning everything?
NM: As you know the Russian woman will stop a horse on a full speed and walk into a burning house (Russian proverb)... We see the ladies champion changing every year because the young girls are very talented. Besides, the mentality of eastern men and women is different. If the man is a fighter the woman is a house keeper...

Original article http://rsport.ru/interview/20160510/920608541.html

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Why questionable opinions?

About the asians she is right, they have a different muscle structure and that can help a lot, and the system now rewards the jumping elements more than the skating skills or the artistry. (with a few exceptions)
 
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She makes it sound as though being Asian is cheating.....:scratch2:.... of course genetics play a big role in how successful you are in a sport, it's not like you can say 'oh Asians are winning too much here, let's change the rules because this is unfair'!
And by the way has she not realised that 4/4 world champions were not Asians in ethnicity nor nationality?
She says Russian girls are winning while Asians are 'house keepers', let's overlook the racist comment, but has she forgotten that from 2006 to 2014 Asian ladies won 2/3 Olympics and 7/9 worlds?
And the extremely poor results (even men did better) of Russian dancers are due to the Asian genetic superpowers as well?????:slink:

Disclaimer: I'm not Asian in any way, and I like many non Asian skaters as well (I felt my avatar could make me look biased) :biggrin:
 
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Why questionable opinions?
About the asians she is right, they have a different muscle structure and that can help a lot, and the system now rewards the jumping elements more than the skating skills or the artistry. (with a few exceptions)
LMAO I tell me any of the WC this season is Asian? :laugh: I didn't know D/R and P/C are Asian. :rolleye:
 
Boy... Nina Mozer should choose her words more wisely. :) She does sound not perfectly politically correct. Generalization about Asian culture and "men are hunters, women are housekeepers" sounds more like sexism to me.

However it's true about different ethnicity and races having advantage or edge in different sports. But it's their natural advantage, so it's totally fair. Taller people can jump higher, smaller people can rotate faster. It's totally explainable. Simple genetics. The human race is a very diversified bunch. That's the beauty of us.
 
LMAO I tell me any of the WC this season is Asian? [emoji23] I didn't know D/R and P/C are Asian. :rolleye:

Having a natural advantage (because of genetics) is a fair thing, but it does not always guarantee winning. No reason to overreact, imho. The winner is usually the person who can apply his genetics to hardwork and good training system. Some luck too.. :)
 
So stupid and uncalled for. That thrown in comment about Javi and him being "latino" as if that's something special and helpful in figure skating too just to fit her invented and illogical agenda (all 8 WC are Caucasian Europeans) is also cringeworthy.
 
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What?.........Then why don't the Russians use their God given talents to their advantage? What Meldonium withdrawal have people all up in a crisis? If she's going to talk such gibberish with so much gusto she needs to but a lid on it. Fast. :rolleye:
 
So stupid and uncalled for. That thrown in comment about Javi and him being "latino" as if that's something special too just to fit her agenda also is also cringeworthy.

That fact that he's not even 'latino' is even more funny :) Or is he?:scratch2:
 
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Boy... Nina Mozer should choose her words more wisely. :) She does sound not perfectly politically correct. Generalization about Asian culture and "men are hunters, women are housekeepers" sounds more like sexism to me.
I don't even bother getting mad over that :rolleye:, her logic is pretty much illogical.

However it's true about different ethnicity and races having advantage or edge in different sports. But it's their natural advantage, so it's totally fair. Taller people can jump higher, smaller people can rotate faster. It's totally explainable. Simple genetics. The human race is a very diversified bunch. That's the beauty of us.
Both Midori Ito and Tonya Harding had gigantic jumps with super 3A and one is Asian, the later is Caucasian.
 
Maybe she is trying to make the argument that it is only fair for caucasians to be allowed to dope to have a fair shot at beating the Asians. I suppose in her deranged mind, she is making sense.
 
Having a natural advantage (because of genetics) is a fair thing, but it does not always guarantee winning. No reason to overreact, imho. The winner is usually the person who can apply his genetics to hardwork and good training system. Some luck too.. :)
I am not denying that body types matter. But there is a fact that all successful skaters come in all kind of shapes and from all kinds of races. :laugh:

If we had like 10 Yuna, 10 Yuzuru, 10 Boyang Jin... then ok I'd say Asians are dominating FS based on their gen... but we don't, right? In reality most of the medalists this year are not Asians. ;)
 
That fact that he's not even 'latino' is even more funny :) Or is he?

"Latino" usually applies to Latin Americans so yes. The truth is though that in many languages like in my own (Polish) you can call Spanish man "latynos" as it has wider meaning so I doubt that she meant latino in English / American sense of this word as it's translated from Russian.
 
"Latino" usually applies to Latin Americans so yes. The truth is though that in many languages like in my own (Polish) you can call Spanish man "latynos" as it has wider meaning so I doubt that she meant latino in English / American sense of this word as it's translated from Russian.

Well, it's incorrect is Russian :) That's why I asked in the first place.
 
Genetics and often cultures do play significant roles in athletics and other endeavors in life. However, Mozer may have erred in attributing physical attributes to races because genetics vary greatly within a race and favorable genetic characteristics are not racially restricted. Would Jeremy Lin and Yao Ming make good skaters? Would Meagan Duhamel be good in volley ball?

I don't know yet if fierce gutsy Zhang Dan and Sui Wenjing et al will be good housewives but Han Cong is the one cooking for Queen Sui. :)
 
Having a natural advantage (because of genetics) is a fair thing, but it does not always guarantee winning. No reason to overreact, imho. The winner is usually the person who can apply his genetics to hardwork and good training system. Some luck too.. :)

:agree:
 
Housewives are just as much fighters as anyone else, raising children is not easy along with managing a household, ever seen the prices of childcare these days? Exorbitant. She has a son of her own, don't tell me she's never fought for him and worked hard to make sure he grew up healthy and successful?

And has she never heard of the stereotype tiger moms? If she's going to be illogical and use race/culture as an argument just go all the way.
 
Why questionable opinions?

About the asians she is right, they have a different muscle structure and that can help a lot, and the system now rewards the jumping elements more than the skating skills or the artistry. (with a few exceptions)

Umm...where to begin? Oh I know, there's these two guys named Yuzuru and Boyang whose "muscles designed for speed" are quite obviously not "twice bigger than Europeans' ". They're each slightly bigger than a toothpick. So was another (non-Asian) guy who spun like a top when he jumped...Tim Goebel. Maybe avoiding broadly generalized assertions about whole races/nationalities of people is an idea we can all consider practicing.
 
They are questionable because she is using these statements as a scapegoat. I don't find any conclusive studies that prove her statements.

In fact:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2795070/

Asian females have the smallest skeletal muscle mass.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262020856_Ethnic_and_geographic_variations_in_muscle_mass_muscle_strength_and_physical_performance_measures

A measure of speed and strength between ethnicity showed that all Asian values for muscle strength was lower. In terms of measuring speed, Asian and Caucasian values were similar.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonentine/2012/08/12/the-dna-olympics-jamaicans-win-sprinting-genetic-lottery-and-why-we-should-all-care/2/#3ab274fc2315

ACTN3 is a gene that is found in a lot of athletes who are good at sports that involve power and speed. This is a gene that makes fast twitch muscles twitch quickly. Given that she says that Asians have more muscles and are fast by nature, then should Asians have the muscle strength/mass? Shouldn't Asians have more of the ACTN3 gene than European/White ancestry?

According to this article that explains a study by Human Molecular Genetics (Oxford Journal), the trend says no.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2008/12/white_men_cant_jump.html

The RR variant in the gene is found more in European whites than Asians. The opposite variant, XX variant, is found more in Asians than Europeans.

Of course all of these studies and articles provide evidence, not proof. The evidence provided above show her statements about Asians are likely unfounded. In addition, this season didn't go so well for her teams because
a) Fedor was injured horribly and competed at worlds despite being unable to lift his arm 2 months prior
b) Max and Tat performed below par at Worlds.

If she wanted to defer to ethnicity as an explanation for their mixed seasons, then Asians and her teams should have performed perfectly and Asians would have gotten the higher score. But no, S/H fell on their 4STh attempt and botched the 3S. S/K messed up a couple elements and could not perform to their GPF caliber due to Fedor's injury. V/T messed up a lot of elements included 2 footing the throw in the SP, didn't get the jump combination and completely invalidated a lift.

Also what Chinese Canadian won? Patrick came in 5th. Meagan and Eric are not Chinese-Canadian last time I checked. If anything, Meagan is probably the most muscular out of all competing females right now :laugh:

Her skaters couldn't bring their best to Boston. Was race/ethnicity a factor? I highly doubt it.


Fedor Klimov
I think they should have made the decision to let S/K sit out of Worlds. Ranking points/berths aside, think about the long-term and not aggravating Fedor's shoulder is probably a wiser idea. S/K are in their mid-20s and could go for 2 more Olympics.

Russian females

While I don't think anyone can deny that historically women have been at home more than men, I think it's pretty far fetched to use this as causation in a sport.
 
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