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Is Mirai Nagasu Underscored?
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I don’t like organizations that cover for alleged abusers. (Trigger warning for all forms of abuse.) USFSA doesn’t have my support. And if that means hoping skating dies out in America so we can rebuild, so be it.
If any of the major skating countries does not deserve 3 spots at Worlds, it’s Canada. Osmond and Daleman are good, so two spots are needed for sure, but their 3rd lady didn’t even qualify to the FS at the Olympics AND Worlds. When’s the last time a US lady has done that? Our lowest placing lady, Mariah Bell, finished 12th, while we aren’t all jumping for joy at this placement, think of what a high level that still is when we take a step back. Perhaps the US doesn’t have Russian level depth, but we do have a great level of depth in ladies in comparison to most other countries. And the talent is there, but the system within which we operate in the US is different. Most people don’t live near top level training options, they have to relocate, they have to pay their way through all that, it’s a systematic barrier and very self selecting. Mirai Nagsu had very strong jumps during some of this season. Almost as good as I’ve ever seen for her. She can do a triple axel. I’d like to see her work with someone like Shae Lynn who can have her do something different and pull Mirai out of her shell. If Mirai continues I️ really hope she makes a commitment to not dump coreography from her programs. I️ hope she works on the lutz, it’s been failing her this season half of the time. I noticed Mirai works on 3 salchow - 3 toe combo. I️ wonder if she hopes to use this in her future long programs and use two triple axels in the future? Has anyone else wondered this? Triple axel was going pretty well for her until her Olympic FS in the individual. Perhaps this could be a beneficial strategy for her.
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Judging by this Worlds, not even Russia has Russian level depth.
Hahaha - true that, they almost lost 3 spots.
I️ think people are being overly harsh on the US ladies. Mirai and Bradie actually did what they could at World’s skating fairly clean programs. It’s not their fault that Shin Amano was there. I️ still believe in Mirai to continue improving as long as the motivation is still there and she doesn’t go the way of Ashley Wagner (after she reached her goal of winning a world medal). Bradie has all the pieces there, just like Gracie Gold. She just needs to package herself with better programs and costumes. She needs to find her own style. But her jumps and spins are very strong. I️ don’t see why she can’t backload and add tanos. Hopefully she is open to that kind of thing. I️ know she was coming back from injury, so I’m holding out hope she is open to changing I️t up to capitalize on her jump consistency. She has consistency and that’s something the US ladies often don’t have and seem to be bad at learning.
I️ think people are being overly harsh on the US ladies. Mirai and Bradie actually did what they could at World’s skating fairly clean programs. It’s not their fault that Shin Amano was there. I️ still believe in Mirai to continue improving as long as the motivation is still there and she doesn’t go the way of Ashley Wagner (after she reached her goal of winning a world medal). Bradie has all the pieces there, just like Gracie Gold. She just needs to package herself with better programs and costumes. She needs to find her own style. But her jumps and spins are very strong. I️ don’t see why she can’t backload and add tanos. Hopefully she is open to that kind of thing. I️ know she was coming back from injury, so I’m holding out hope she is open to changing I️t up to capitalize on her jump consistency. She has consistency and that’s something the US ladies often don’t have and seem to be bad at learning.
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I have an eternal soft spot for mirai, but mostly agree with others here that her scores seem about right.
That said, citing her lower scores and placements as evidence doesn’t seem particularly helpful if the question on the table is whether those scores and placements are unfairly low.
That said, citing her lower scores and placements as evidence doesn’t seem particularly helpful if the question on the table is whether those scores and placements are unfairly low.
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She recieved some unfair call imo in Worlds. Just like in Skate Canada where few skaters get unfair call. Her 3F+3T is borderline yes but her 2nd 3F and 3Lz and 2A+3T is not UR at all... I mean there is 1/4 leeway so its still within that... She should get close to 130... Her Tech before is 70 and with only 3Lze/! and 3F+3T< she"ll only lose like 4-5 points so 65 tech with 64 pcs 129~128 is more appropriate
Actually, I don't think Mirai was underscored in relation to others at this Worlds. However, for what Sotskova put out in her SP and FS (literally every single jump was UR/borderline in the SP but she got no calls) Mirai should have been 9th. That wouldn't have been enough for the US to keep 3 spots anyway so it doesn't make too much of a difference. One person though that I do believe was underscored was Loena, who definitely deserved higher PCS in the short and slightly higher PCS in the free. However, she's from a small federation and has no reputation so of course she's gonna get lesser scores. Bah. She should have been 7th.
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Yeah she indeed receives some pretty harsh calls now when I think about it.
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I don’t know if her calls were harsh so much as others given too much leniency. That’s always my issue with Nagasu’s scores: in a vacuum, they’re actually quite reasonable. Relative to everyone else’s... I still think they’re fair, but I understand why some feel she’s underscored.
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I don't know about Mirai but I'm starting to think that I am criminally underscored. My PE is at P/C levels at least and choreography is top notch.
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You clearly have never seen my Girl Fainting, But Midway Through Greeting The Floor Facefirst, Trips Over Her Cat routine. [emoji23]
I think that all skaters should learn to rotate their jumps properly and to have proper edges. It is not the fault of a technical panel if some skaters don´t manage to do it. Actually, I believe that every technical panel should follow Amano´s example. This is sport and some competitors should not have an advantage over the rest by having their faults ignored!!!
She was underscored in the team event, too. She should have had over 140. Her TES at Worlds went from 70 to 57, thanks to overly harsh calls and, apparently, lower GOE that followed. They finally gave her 8 in PCS, which she has deserved (at a minimum) for a long time. If her PCS was deserved here, why was Alina's hot mess of a skate given a higher score?
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Oh, I absolutely think Alina's PCS were too high at WC, 100%.
Over 140 at the OG with such an empty program though? I don't know. I think 137 was fair, she doesn't really deserve super high GOEs for her jumps and the PCS were (I think?) higher than usual for her - I may be wrong though
This. Also, why Sotskova's UR slow moving snoozefest is given higher scores?
When some are overscored in GOE and PCS, the fairness flies out of the window. The issue of (un)fairness of individual scores can not be evaluated in a vacuum.
The biggest problem with figure skating today is reputational scoring, and manipulating the system to inflate top skaters scores.
It's one thing when a top skater wins on the basis of their technical prowess. That can be exciting and wonderful to watch. It's quite another when their mistakes are not called and their weaknesses are ignored, while their GOEs and PCS are stratospheric based on the strength of their federation's politicking.
When the spectators see that it looks like all skaters are not being judged consistently across the board, with judges rewarding some favorites while punishing some underdogs, then it's not so fun to watch. Because unfair judging equals CHEATING.
It's one thing when a top skater wins on the basis of their technical prowess. That can be exciting and wonderful to watch. It's quite another when their mistakes are not called and their weaknesses are ignored, while their GOEs and PCS are stratospheric based on the strength of their federation's politicking.
When the spectators see that it looks like all skaters are not being judged consistently across the board, with judges rewarding some favorites while punishing some underdogs, then it's not so fun to watch. Because unfair judging equals CHEATING.
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Sotskova might UR a lot but to be fair she has more skating transitions and deeper edge.
