ISU makes decision on 2015-16 GPF selection

[TwinnerA]

Thanks.

Thanks. Whoopsy daisy!

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

I like this compromise. It means that a TEB who participates was very close to qualifying anyway.

 

[GF2445]

This is a good decision. It is obvious that they this decision took some time- especially when it came to issues about ties and the 7th place qualification rule for this year.

 

[silverlake22]

OK, FINALLY
I don't like the SP points as a tiebreaker, cuz it will have impact not only on TEB skaters but on everybody (especially ice dance I think), I would prefer best SP and best FS points as a tiebreaker.
It seems likely that we will have only 6 skaters in each discipline - good for ISU cuz they'll have to cover additional costs (so it seems that's why they will add a TEB skater only with 7th place not 7-8 place for example).

Agree, but in the case of Tuk, it wouldn't change the result, Rika's total would still be around 5 points higher. Not sure if it would help Max.

 

[desertskates]

I think this is a really good solution.
One thought that I have about Liza T. possibly not going is that she can use that time period to stay at home and really buckle down on her training for Russian Nationals. Judging by what we saw over the weekend at Rostelecom Cup, all of these young ladies are going to put up a tremendous fight for those top three spots.

 

[Noolan]

They basically made it an entirely different event with entirely different rules. Rules that were made up on the spot just before the finals. Sorry, ISU, but this decision had to be made before Cup of Russia. Now it just feels like you're making up rules so that you let the "right" people into the GPF. Maybe you're not, but we have no way to confirm that this decision was made in a fair way.

 

[GF2445]

Well there was no decision which would make everyone happy.
I'm happy about it.

 

[karne]

Well, I don't like it. (But is anyone surprised?). It's simply wrong to use the SP results as final. By doing so, they are making the assumptions that they ostensibly were trying to avoid - the assumption that the standings would have remained as they were even had an LP taken place. They should have tried harder to make the FS happen, even if it meant waiting a couple of days, or reconvening the week before the GPF.

And yeah, before the accusers come out, I don't like it also because it means Max misses the final. Think about the stupidity of that: a GRAND PRIX WINNER, who was placed behind two skaters who had invalid jumping passes (which is a rant in and of itself), is going to miss the Final because of something that was completely and utterly out of his control. It's lunacy. But the ISU wouldn't have cared, because of who it was...

 

[jax]

Well, I don't like it. (But is anyone surprised?). It's simply wrong to use the SP results as final. By doing so, they are making the assumptions that they ostensibly were trying to avoid - the assumption that the standings would have remained as they were even had an LP taken place. They should have tried harder to make the FS happen, even if it meant waiting a couple of days, or reconvening the week before the GPF.

And yeah, before the accusers come out, I don't like it also because it means Max misses the final. Think about the stupidity of that: a GRAND PRIX WINNER, who was placed behind two skaters who had invalid jumping passes (which is a rant in and of itself), is going to miss the Final because of something that was completely and utterly out of his control. It's lunacy. But the ISU wouldn't have cared, because of who it was...

I love Max and I wished he was in. But not everyone is going to be happy. Ice is slippery.

 

[katha]

The ISU was just in a bad position here, no matter what they decided someone was going to be unhappy. I think the solution they came up with is reasonable and most importantly it's not a kind of random wildcard awarded to "chosen" skaters in TEB, which was also floated around as an idea and would have been a totally unfair and biased disaster. As for the tiebreaker...going with total SP/SD results is as good/bad as anything else in these circumstances. If you go with total scores for some skaters, but only SP scores for TEB skaters you make things even more confusing and also open yourself up to claims of unfairness. If you choose only best FS and SP results, you also open yourself up to claims of unfairness. No matter what you do, there's no ideal scenario anymore. The ideal scenario would have been to have the FS/FD results from TEB, but since that isn't happening what they came up with isn't bad. They could have done a whole lotta worse to be sure.

 

[LRK]

I think this is a really good solution.
One thought that I have about Liza T. possibly not going is that she can use that time period to stay at home and really buckle down on her training for Russian Nationals. Judging by what we saw over the weekend at Rostelecom Cup, all of these young ladies are going to put up a tremendous fight for those top three spots.

She's going to Warsaw Cup next week, she was entered last minute, so my guess is that Mishin is operating under the assumption that Liza won't go to the GPF, and is getting her another chance to compete before Russian Nationals - I don't think going direct from that SP, and into the pressure cooker situation that is ladies Russian Nationals would be a good idea...

silverfoxes shared this Mishin interview on the Liza fan thread - this is the Google translate version:

https://translate.google.com/transl...info.ru/index.php?id=99507&edit-text=&act=url

 

[Daniel1998]

Hey, so what does this mean for the predictions game?
I personally don't think we need to follow the ISU's decision, because our predictions game works entirely differently from the selection of GPF qualifiers. The ISU can't just drop TEB, because the skaters there have to somehow be given points, so that they have a shot at the GPF. But if we skip a week, it doesn't really matter. Nothing changes, and we just move onto NHK.
I vote to skip TEB to avoid giving the scorers two competitions to sort through this week (and also to keep many people from getting horrible scores...)
What do you guys think? It's ultimately up to the heads of the game, just voicing my opinion.

 

[Violet Bliss]

Wouldn't he, worst case scenario, be the first substitute? Say it's Javier, Shoma, Yuzuru, Boyang, Maxim and Patrick. If the podium at NHK consists of Yuzuru, Boyang and Maxim in any order, they would all be above Patrick who has 22 points. Daisuke also has 22 if my math doesn't fail me. Patrick wins the tiebreaker because he won SC, so Dice is the first substitute. As he competed at TEB, he would get invited to the GPF. Or am I missing someone?

Murakami should qualify as the special 7th Man if things unfold "normally", i.e. with the three 13 pointers medaling again at NHK..

Hochstein could be a very unlikely spoiler for Murakami. If he places 1st or second at NHK, there would be more 22 pointers that would win tie breaker over Dice who has the most unfortunate combination of two equal points, i.e. 11+11, losing out to those with a 1st or 2nd place.

But, it's very unlikely considering the field at NHK.

 

[Interspectator]

Hooray for Murakami! (I think?) he will get to go to the final!! Whoopppie!

 

[SunDae]

Since every competitor with a shot at GPF did 2 short programs/dances and 1 free dance, I don't understand why they made the second tie-breaker completely ignore the one free dance score. I mean, why exclude the free dance completely? Having 3 programs to add improves the accuracy over only 2 programs regardless.

 

[Violet Bliss]

No, I'm pretty sure what you're saying is what was said in the previous thread, too. Thanks for putting my mind at ease. I can go back now to seeking out good luck charms and spells for Yuzuru, Boyang and Maxim. :hap93:

I remember I encouraged you in the original thread to continue your good luck ritual for Dice but it never occurred to me that you would do it through good luck for Yuzuru, Boyang and Maxim. Good karma to you and Dice. :agree:

 

[GF2445]

Its also a case of too bad, life isnt alway fair and easy. Sport isnt always fair either.
Every sport has their perks.
Also, Things happen that are out of our control.
So for the athlete, its a case of: Suck it up and move on.

 

[katha]

Since every competitor with a shot at GPF did 2 short programs/dances and 1 free dance, I don't understand why they made the second tie-breaker completely ignore the one free dance score. I mean, why exclude the free dance completely? Having 3 programs to add improves the accuracy over only 2 programs regardless.

But then, which FS do you choose for the ones who have both? The highest one? Then you run into the problem that the TEB skaters don't have a second score to choose from and it becomes a disadvantage for them. Also not completely fair. Nothing can be completely fair anymore in this scenario, no matter how you want to calculate things.

 

[4everchan]

the athletes are okay i'm sure it's the fans who need to learn to suck it up and move on

Its also a case of too bad, life isnt alway fair and easy. Sport isnt always fair either.
Every sport has their perks.
Also, Things happen that are out of our control.
So for the athlete, its a case of: Suck it up and move on.

 

[mrrice]

I've been gone all day. Do we have a list of people who have already qualified? With Gracie's Win of the SP. Is she in the GPF? How about Patrick? Is there an article that states the skaters who have qualified?